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Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

I don't recall seeing one of these threads for a while, and I've got a real hankering for FACTS.

this thread is for discussion of and links to your favourite documentaries. TV, film and radio are all fair game.

Guidelines

these threads work best if we stick to some sort of format when sharing info and links

If at all possible, please link to an online version of your chosen doc. Google video or youtube playlists are ideal, since these are international and permanent. please check the links are valid before posting. series are great providing all episodes are available. Some docs are only available on network or publishers websites, feel free to link to these but be aware they may be geographically or time limited and not everyone may me able to use them. If there's no online version but you really want to discuss something, a link to somewhere to buy the DVD is fine too.

a brief description of what you're sharing is far better than just the title; let us know what your cryptically titled doc is about and why it's interesting.

I'll be attempting to keep the OP updated with everyones links. If you could put the title in bold it would make my life a lot easier.

feel free to share general documentary sites too, there's quite a few of these around


a few to get you started:

The Living Dead by Adam Curtis.
Curtis is well known for a strong editorial style, presenting documentaries in support of broad ideas generally centring on how governments, history and people interact and attempt to influence perceptions of events. In this three part series he explores ideas relating to memory and history, including media narratives, brainwashing and mind control.
part 1
part 2
part 3

The Ascent of Money
Niall feurgeson investigates the history of finance, moneylending, bonds and stock markets, leading up to the horrifically complex situation that lead to the latest crisis. This is a great introduction to the bstract world of finance, it taught me a lot from a standing start. There seem to be two versions available, a UK 6x45min and a US 4x55min, I've linked both here as I don't know if they're different

PBS link, 4 parts
4OD (UK) links, 6 slightly shorter parts

so, fire away with your favourites and links, I'll check back every so often, harvest the working links and update the OP accordingly

update:

page 1 links
Promises link
Food inc. link
a Blank on the Map link
Swansea Love Story link
Abel Raises Cain link
Street Thief (trailer) link
King of Kong (link to part 1) link
Martin Scorsese on American Movies link
Brasilintime part 1 link
part 2 link
Home link
This American Life: Escape link
Flipping Out link
King Corn link
Blue Planet: deep ocean link
part 2 link
part 3 link
part 4 link
part 5 link
Carts of Darkness link
Henry Darger: in the realms of the unreal link
Life (iplayer link) link
toxic Imperial Valley link
The People must Love their Leader; a portrait of General Idi Amin link
Farewell Africa link
Holy Ghost People link
Utopia part 3: the worlds largest Shopping Mall link
Koyaanisquatsi link
Jonestown: The life and Death of Peoples Temple link
Tyson link
DEAR AMERICA - Letters Home from Vietnam link
Beer Wars link
the Cove (trailer) link
Wild China (clips) link
I.O.U.S.A part 1 link
Chemistry: a Volatile History part 1 link
part 2 link
part 3 link
Goon Jedah's doc site: link
Phantoms in the Brain episode 2 link
Murderball (trailer) link
What Would Jesus Buy link
Haack: the King of Techno (interview about the film) link
Strandbeesten (first few minutes) link

Page 2 links
cosmos link
Lions and Hyenas link
Every F**king day link
Theo Jensen TED talk link
Ecstasy rising link
Children Underground link
The Sundowner (GOON FILM) part 1 link
part 2 link
The human Animal link
Ross Kemp on Gangs link
King Corn (different link) link
The Nomi Song link
A Rough History of Disbelief part 1 link
part 2 link
part 3 link
The Socialist, the Architect and the Twisted Tower link
Vice Travel Guide to Liberia link
The Decline of Western Civilization: the metal years link
the Rocak Afire Explosion link
Maxed Out link
Ryan link
Louis Theroux links link
Earthlings link
Beyond Belief link
The Woman who Thinks like a cow (Temple Grandin) link


Page 3 links
Sons of Cuba link
Mechanical Love link
Reoprter link
supermen of Malegaon link
The Yes Men link
Good Hair link
It Might Get Loud (trailer) link
Vice Guide to North Korea link
torture: Americas Brutal Prisons link
Walking the Line link
the warning link
Off the Chain link
The Corporation (playlist) linkarchive.org link link
Off the Grid: Life on the Mesa link
Gender Redesigner (trailer) link
Children of the State link
Moog link
Theremin (trailer) link
Imaginary Landscapes link
Shake Hands with the Devil part 1 link part 2 link
The fog of War link
Zeitgeist link
Black Diamonds link
General Butt Naked (trailer, NWS) link
Zoo link


Page 4 links
Absolute Zero (Hulu link) link
(Youtube link) link
Dear Zachary (Netflix) link
Marathon link
Beer Wars (Netflix) link
Baraka link
Frontline.NOVA GM Crops doc link
Obamas War link
The Union (Marijuana) link
Natures great Events: The Great Melt link
Natures great Events: The Great Salmon Run link
Natures great Events: The Great Migration link
Natures great Events: The Great Tide link
Natures great Events: The Great Feast link
Connections link
Connections 2 link
Gimme Shelter link
Alchemists of Sound link
This Film is not yet Rated link
Gizmo link
The Iceman: Confessions of a Mafia Hitman: part 1 link
Part 2 link
The Radioactive Beasts of Chernobyl link
Garbage Island link
Vice Guide to North Korea link
Vice Guide to Liberia link
Mecca Diaries link
Last Minutes with Oden link



multi-doc links
Snagfilms Snagfilms.com
Topdocumentaryfilms.com
VBS vbs.tv

Fatkraken fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jun 28, 2010

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Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

OP updated with the first 2 pages of links, let me know if any of them are dead or bad. I'll keep updating as and when each page is completed

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

OP updated with page 3 links

and so I'm not just spamming, have a bit of this

The alchemists of Sound
The history of the BBC Radiophonics workshop. Ever wondered how they made the weird ambient music and strange sounds in old BBC TV and radio programmes? here's how. Awesome analogue sound design and trickery, unique sounds. link is for part 1, rest is linked in the related vids

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

So Earthlings doesn't say whether what they show is legal or illegal, or standard practice versus exceptional? Does it go into ways people are trying to improve things? Changes in legislation or enforcement? Things the public can do to avoid being complicit, such as farming certification schemes or specific regions to avoid buying meat from? saying LOOK AT THIS is all well and good, but without context and information, it's not really that useful except to the small number of people who will go whole-hog and become vegans.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

dog days are over posted:

Yeah I think the whole point of Earthlings is just to shock you into total veganism. They are obviously biased and would rather show you the absolute worst of the worst with no context so you will assume it's the norm, and far more common than it actually is. Obviously the stuff they showed does go on and it's despicable, but if they did give statistics and facts it would lessen the impact because you'd see it's not as common as they're making out.

Are there any good, non-partisan documentaries about standard slaughterhouses and animal rearing? I don't doubt that factory farming isn't ideal, but I'd like to see a doc that presents the reality of a legal, averagely run meat rearing/slaughtering facility in my country (the UK, which has fairly good welfare legislation and good voluntary schemes like RSPCA freedom food).

Honestly, I'd like to know where my food ACTUALLY comes from, not the worst conditions in places it probably doesn't come from.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

updated the OP with links from page 4. I'll be trying to do a page or so per day for the next few days and should have the thread done in a week or so.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

quote:

Or maybe you're indoctrinated into a system of drivel and from within anything that opposes your ideas appears to be drivel because that's a critical part of the indoctrination.

You are serving a status quo enforcement role (predicted or more or less implied to exist by the philosophies of the movie) and you're too loving blinded to even realize it. You think you're choosing to make some witty as gently caress critical analysis of the film, removing any credibility in one swoop of the fat fingers across a keyboard, but you're just a tool who knows nothing but what you've been programmed to know.

dude, not helping your case here, you sound like a mentalist

Just because the status quo is hosed (which is it, no one with any sense denies that) doesn't mean any of the specific "facts" or weird solutions presented by this film hold any credibility. Most people are perfectly well aware that we need a new approach to wealth, consumption and poverty and not attempting to support a status quo where bankers cause global economic meltdown through short sightedness and palm oil barons bulldoze millions of acres of rainforest. But that doesn't mean we have to believe any overly emotional drivel that purports to be a perfect solution.

Fatkraken fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jan 30, 2011

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

Theos posted:

It's funny how telling it is that you use a hyperbole about bankers and oil barons. Of course you're not emotional about the issue cause you're a silver-spoon fed American who has fuckall for sense of what poverty actually is. There is no hyperbole suitable for the mass casualties inflicted upon humanity by free market capitalism. It's an emotional issue. That it is emotional, takes nothing away from its credibility. It only shows how detached the opposition is when they say it is "overly emotional".

Another fact is, the very people like Milton Friedman whose name the opposition chants like he's Jesus himself DO DENY the status quo is hosed. At least, to the degree that it really is hosed. In fact, that's their primary argument. How many times has a Poverty-blind American in the top rungs of social strata argued that things, "Aren't as bad as these 'doomsayers' predict"?

That was just two examples, of course the human cost is massive, people die because multinationals are allowed to pollute with impunity, farming is efficient enough to feed the world twice over yet billions go hungry and millions starve. Maybe I was wrong but I picked the "enlightened self interest" stuff because for whatever reason it can tend to hit home with some people more than talking about grinding poverty. It's so bad that it's hitting EVERYONE where a lot of people in the rich world assumed they were immune and corporate exploitation and being hosed by the superrich only happens to poor fucks in the developing world.

No one with any sense denies the status quo fucks over 99% of people. Many of the ones denying it publicly actually know it's a system that is poo poo for most people but lie because they are rich and the status quo is good for THEM. Bit no true Scotsman I suppose, but there you are.

In any case, the problems with this film seem to be that it is making bold assertions as if they were fact when they are not backed up by evidence. They may be TRUE or they may be false or they may be a mixture of truth, exaggeration and lies, but without evidence it is irresponsible of a film maker to state them as fact. Statements like "companies don't want to cure cancer because it would put them out of a job" are hyperbole built about a grain of truth. Medical companies ARE out to make money, DO lie or mislead in research and DO follow profitable lines of enquiry more than unprofitable ones that would help more people (malaria treatments are woefully primitive because most people suffering are Africans and too are poor to buy expensive medicines), but by spinning it too far into unsubstantiated rumour, it undermines the message.

"Emotionality" is not an issue when talking about problems, they are enormous and we SHOULD get emotional about them. But it can get in the way when talking about solutions. Saying "the human race fucks over 99% of it's members" is fine and it's fine to get emotional about it. Saying "we can reshape human culture and nature to create a world of peace and equality" ignores the fact that this has been tried before and failed because it turns out in anything bigger than a tribal group of about 100 people, humans quite like loving each other over. It appeals to an emotional desire to see the best in people and ignores the cold hard truths that some people are shits. We SHOULD strive to create a world of peace and equality, but it will not come about through denying reality, at that point it just becomes a John Lennon song.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

fnordcircle posted:

Are you going to take pictures of his house next?

This is WEBDOG we're talking about here

(the answer is yes)

(well, "find pictures of his house on a real estate website" is closer to the mark)

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

Theos posted:

"just webdong being webdong"

ban this shithead already, he's already been probated for creepiness once.

Dude, you're the one who basically threatened him.

Anyway, lets keep this poo poo out of the thread and get back to the documentaries

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

me³ posted:

Thanks for this, really enjoyed it. It ranges from hilarious to quite depressing.

Almost every "nerdy subculture" documentary gravitates to the most extreme characters, not necessarily the ugliest, but the more humourless ones who take it most seriously. In reality, while these types certainly exist, they usually are not the predominant force, most people in any group like that DON'T take it that seriously, KNOW it's daft and just like dicking around in costume. Just as most WoW players don't blow off family funerals to go raiding and poo poo in socks.

That being said, a contribution, the most balanced realistic "documentary" on LARP (at least the UK scene) is Dara O'Briains "tough gig" series, where he hangs out with a weird subculture for a few days then does a live standup gig based on his experiences. He has a very non judgemental approach and actually joins in and has fun, and the gig at the end underlines that most of them have a good sense of humour about things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ6exaC5ryE part 1

Fatkraken fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Feb 3, 2011

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

can anyone help me ID a documentary?

I *think* it was a BBC one, a couple years ago during the height of the financial crisis. It was a good introduction to how banking works, and there was a section on how lending is essentially creating money since a bank with £1000 can essentially lend it multiple times to different people. I wasn't Channel 4s "the ascent of money", but I think it was stylistically similar

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Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

bronin posted:

Why did you roll your eyes? The film actually is suggesting that we can do this now. Technologywise there is no problem. It's the current system that is the problem, I think the film was pretty clear on that.

"how could we make a perfect civilisation work if people didn't act like people" is a fine conversation to have down the pub. It's completely bloody pointless as a documentary. The great challenge of the age isn't to become *physically capable* of achieving a goal, it's getting people to work together effectively enough to achieve it. We could feed every hungry child in the world, easily, with the excesses we are capable of growing. We don't.

It's like when someone proposes a zero-carbon target for Britain, and step 1 is "everyone stops driving", step 2 "everyone becomes vegan". The numbers work, but actually persuading people to stick to it is the trick, and the only thing really worth talking about.

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