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KillHour posted:Did... did you get lost looking for BYOB? No, I actually saw the video last night before it was posted here and figured it was related to the F1 in some way, then learned how by watching the video. Like I have never heard a person use so many words to convey so little. just mentions 'experience' and 'purity' over and over with little to back it up. and no actual driving of the car in a 40 minute video. not even an example of the engines crazy response?
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Laserface posted:No, I actually saw the video last night before it was posted here and figured it was related to the F1 in some way, then learned how by watching the video. Perhaps he and the car he helped put together aren't for you? Elon Musk he ain't.
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Laserface posted:Like I have never heard a person use so many words to convey so little. just mentions 'experience' and 'purity' over and over with little to back it up. Hard disagree. There's a lot to unpack with what he is saying that is highly informative - and to be honest, Gordon Murray's reputation is enough of a backup. He really is just that good. He designed some of the best F1 cars, the McLaren F1 road car was untouchable as the supreme car for two decades and the T.50 is pretty much an updated McLaren F1. When the original F1 was announced, no one believed it was what he said it was as it was so outlandish.... until people drove it and it was found out he was underselling the car. If he said the car farted pink unicorns and gave us the world greatest dick suck we'd ask how many unicorns.
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His interview with Chris Harris on the Collecting Cars podcast is very very good and covers his credentials.
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KakerMix posted:Perhaps he and the car he helped put together aren't for you? I do not like Elon Musk, or Tesla. F1 was a little bit before my time in regards to 'deep understanding of the engineering significance'. it was more of a 'cool car to have in a poster at age 9' for me I guess, although the Jag XJ220 was the one super car of my youth that stuck out the most. countach and diablo also. I dont doubt his pedigree, I just found him to not be the best at conveying much meaningful info and at a certain point in the video I just said 'yeah ok mate, maybe someone who actually designed this bit should be talking about it because you aint'
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Seems like different strokes for different folks, some people are car spergs and pray at the alter of Murray for continuing on as he does (me) And some people buy appliances to get from A to B.
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Laserface posted:I dont doubt his pedigree, I just found him to not be the best at conveying much meaningful info and at a certain point in the video I just said 'yeah ok mate, maybe someone who actually designed this bit should be talking about it because you aint' He backs up your sentiment himself in the podcast interview. He flat out admits that the engine is all Cosworth and he's been left behind despite considering himself a power train guy.
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He talks about purity so much because most modern supercars are paddle shifting, launch controlled electronic wonders that are more advanced than the space shuttle. They put up numbers but aren’t necessarily the most pleasing to drive. Also: Laserface posted:although the Jag XJ220 was the one super car of my youth that stuck out the most. lol Speaking of wet farts. LeeMajors fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 13:51
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But it did give us Fastmasters at IRP so at least one good thing came out of it.
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Laserface posted:I watched this without knowing who Gordon Murray was because Im not super into hypercars or whatever they are called. He’s an F1 designer, originally. He was responsible for what was probably the most dominant F1 car of all time.
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Aug 6, 2020 14:01
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I’m glad he finally got to put a fan on the car. He’s wanted to do that on a road car forever.
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Aug 6, 2020 14:02
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I wonder how long it will take the fan blades to be beaten to death by road debris. I’m sure there is a screen/filter for it, but it would have to be pretty unrestrictive. I am curious to see if this car will make a lasting impact on the industry or get lost in the sea of unattainable cars to lust after. I love that everything is in service of being a more intense and rewarding driving experience and not raw numbers, it would be cool to see more affordable vehicles go in that direction.
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i own every Bionicle posted:I love that everything is in service of being a more intense and rewarding driving experience and not raw numbers, it would be cool to see more affordable vehicles go in that direction. It comes down to the question, who really needs more than a Caterham? And I'd love more tiny deathtrap cars that go fast to be sold on the market.
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Good news! Gordon's also making the T43: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/a26698796/gordon-murray-design-t43-geneva-interview/ 215 hp 1900 lbs 6-speed manual $45k
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mobby_6kl posted:Good news! Gordon's also making the T43: Hell yeah. I remember reading about this but I guess I got confused and thought it turned into the T.50.
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i own every Bionicle posted:I wonder how long it will take the fan blades to be beaten to death by road debris. I’m sure there is a screen/filter for it, but it would have to be pretty unrestrictive. The BT46B seemed fine with regards to fan durability.
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mobby_6kl posted:Good news! Gordon's also making the T43: Holy poo poo, finally a car that makes me think "maybe my next new car won't be a Miata."
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mobby_6kl posted:Good news! Gordon's also making the T43: badass
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That sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, but there's probably no way I would comfortably fit in one.
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Going back to cars we might actually be able to buy, the Ford Fusion is dead. I looked at them a few times and had one as a rental. While it was alright, I'm frightened by the decreasing number of new cars out there I would actually buy. The Fusion was always on the short list of cars I'd buy if I needed a boring midsize sedan again, and now that it's gone, my options are limited further. I think this makes the Mustang the only car Ford offers in the US.
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Bandire posted:That sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, but there's probably no way I would comfortably fit in one. He seems pretty set on making it not just fun and pure but also usable and comfortable so we shall see. I hope it actually makes it to market.
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mobby_6kl posted:Good news! Gordon's also making the T43: Now that we've had one page of people explaining why Murray is a genius, I thought this quote was quite interesting. quote:Really, the only other thing sort of like the T.43 is the new Alpine A110, but that starts at around £47,0o0 in the UK and weighs in at 2314 pounds, according to Murray. He's actually using one as his daily driver right now. "If it was 100 mm narrower, it would be the perfect car," he said. So according to Murray himself, the A110 is as close as you can get to a perfect car right now.
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CornHolio posted:Going back to cars we might actually be able to buy, the Ford Fusion is dead. The Fusion was a perfectly fine car but getting really old. The Camry, Accord, and now the new Korean midsizers are absolutely outstanding cars, and I understand why Ford doesn't want to dump huge R&D dollars into a competitive, shrinking market. The current Fusion debuted in 2012 for the 2013 model year, it's positively ancient. It was plenty competitive when introduced. The Bronco is going to print money.
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mobby_6kl posted:Good news! Gordon's also making the T43: I mentioned this to a friend the other day and he said that he thought he'd heard that whatever partnership that was supposed to make this was scuttled. I certainly hope not, it would be amazing.
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CornHolio posted:I think this makes the Mustang the only car Ford offers in the US. Yes, that was their stated goal a few years ago.
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Twerk from Home posted:The Fusion was a perfectly fine car but getting really old. The Camry, Accord, and now the new Korean midsizers are absolutely outstanding cars, and I understand why Ford doesn't want to dump huge R&D dollars into a competitive, shrinking market. The current Fusion debuted in 2012 for the 2013 model year, it's positively ancient. It was plenty competitive when introduced. tetrapyloctomy posted:I mentioned this to a friend the other day and he said that he thought he'd heard that whatever partnership that was supposed to make this was scuttled. I certainly hope not, it would be amazing.
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Bandire posted:That sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, but there's probably no way I would comfortably fit in one. Unless you're freakishly tall you should be fine, Murray is over 6 feet tall himself and is apparently using one at the moment for testing.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Unless you're freakishly tall you should be fine, Murray is over 6 feet tall himself and is apparently using one at the moment for testing. People proportions are weird, though. Aren't we getting a weird Fusion Active type thing? That was the rumor for a little while, anyway. We will get the slightly lifted body cladded version of the next gen Mondeo. On the other hand, TourX and Alltrack are dead so I'm not sure that market is really all that large.
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That's good to hear. It is basically Miata sized, so I just assumed the cabin would be tiny. Let's hope it actually gets produced. I had a 2008 Mazda 3 2.3 that I loved, but I got a Mustang GT in 2016 because I wanted more power. I love the Mustang too, but I'd strongly consider something smaller like this if I fit in it. I'm happy to see Mazda putting a turbo in the 3 again, and I'm also keeping a close eye out for new BRZ news.
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Like every other company in America that is slowly sliding downhill Ford has chosen to spend billions chasing the shareholder value dragon while ceding entire markets to Asian and German manufacturers.
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i own every Bionicle posted:I wonder how long it will take the fan blades to be beaten to death by road debris. I’m sure there is a screen/filter for it, but it would have to be pretty unrestrictive. 100 car production meant as a successor to the F1? There's no road debris in climate controlled vaults.
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Twerk from Home posted:The Bronco is going to print money. The Bronco is going to decimate any kind of sales projections people are expecting and the only reason they won't sell more than they do is 100% based on capacity for manufacturing. The Bronco is going to win any and every kind of award that can be given by any press outlet. They will probably make up new awards just do they can have more to publish about the bronco for all those sweet juicy clicks.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Now that we've had one page of people explaining why Murray is a genius, I thought this quote was quite interesting. A car that only comes with a slushbox is "as close as you can get to a perfect car"? I think I would probably take a Cayman, the available manual would make up for it being slightly larger and heavier and more practical.
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Throatwarbler posted:A car that only comes with a slushbox is "as close as you can get to a perfect car"? I think I would probably take a Cayman, the available manual would make up for it being slightly larger and heavier and more practical. He didn't expound on it, so I don't know. v  vAlso, the new Seat Leon looks nice, but does anyone else see a Mazda 3 in it? 
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Somewhat Heroic posted:The Bronco is going to decimate any kind of sales projections people are expecting and the only reason they won't sell more than they do is 100% based on capacity for manufacturing. Too bad it can't climb rocks: https://twitter.com/roadandtrack/status/1291403320016412673?s=21 RIP Fusion. I enjoy mine for what it is: a fully loaded 17 hybrid I got used with hardly any miles on it. I'm sure anyone wanting one will be able to get the same for years to come.
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Zero One posted:Too bad it can't climb rocks: As if more than 1% of Broncos will ever see anything more than a slightly less than perfect dirt road
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Nidhg00670000 posted:He didn't expound on it, so I don't know. v It looks like an Audi S5 sportback up front, with VW/Audi lines along the belt line and then an odd Renault Megane touch near C Pillar/Hatch.
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Charles posted:Ford doesn't have Mazda to design them a new mid-size platform anymore anyway Just base it on the mustang, boom, problem solved.
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Zero One posted:Too bad it can't climb rocks: Can anyone with offroad experience say if this video is enough to say it's going to be Bad At Climbing Rocks? Will my wife still be able to drive over the median to get in to Wegmans/Whole Foods? 
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