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frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!


Naky posted:

Man. I love everything about that car - the size, the specs, etc. But as amazing as all of that is and believe me I LOVE cars like that... I don't think I could ever grow to love that gaping vagina front end. I know, blasphemy and all that but... it just looks so out of place for me.

Everything old is new again.

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grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW







Hermansen posted:

BMW CEO announces that there will be a FWD BMW in the near future


http://jalopnik.com/5496441/bmw-ceo...heel-drive-bmws


And here I was, believing that BMW thought FWD was, in fact, the devil..
It will be a sad day, when it comes..
What I find very funny about this is that 80% of BMW 1-series owners thought their car is already front wheel drive.

There's something very very wrong about that.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

grover posted:

What I find very funny about this is that 80% of BMW 1-series owners thought their car is already front wheel drive.

There's something very very wrong about that.

I read on Allpar (can't seem to find it now) that when they were designing the LH cars, they polled people who drove MBs and BMWS and very few of them knew which wheels were driven. So that 80% of people think a small hatchback like the 1 series is FWD is hardly suprising.

Naky
May 30, 2001

Resident Crackhead

Only BMW enthusiasts care about RWD BMWs and there's far less enthusiasts than you might think. Let's face it, a large majority of people who own and drive BMWs daily drive it to and from work for the image and luxury alone. If anything the cars being RWD probably annoy this demographic in winter conditions. Seems like AWD's becoming the trendy mode de jour for that crowd these days anyway so I'm not surprised that BMW's going to put out a FWD vehicle for those that have issues with the winter driving or simply don't give a gently caress.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!


Is this just a general automotive news thread? At any rate, if you use Impact safety equipment you may want to consider buying something else.

http://www.sfifoundation.com/Decert...ice03-26-10.pdf

DogDodger
Nov 19, 2006

Hellcat likes it rough.

drat, I have an Impact helmet. The company says it's challenging the decertification. Maybe it's time to start looking for a new one.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

In non-Mustang related Ford news, Ford resurrects the RS500 nameplate.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009



Throatwarbler posted:

In non-Mustang related Ford news, Ford resurrects the RS500 nameplate.



Factory. Flat. Black.

Ford just seems to "get it". If they would extend that treatment to some of their NA offerings, it would be hard to stay away. A flat black raptor, taurus SHO, or mustang would drive me wild.

D. melanogaster
Jun 27, 2003

is one of the most studied organisms in biological research, particularly in genetics and developmental biology.


Powershift posted:

Factory. Flat. Black.

Ford just seems to "get it". If they would extend that treatment to some of their NA offerings, it would be hard to stay away. A flat black raptor, taurus SHO, or mustang would drive me wild.

This won't be available in America, much like the last Focus RS. So no, Ford does not "get it."

Purple Haze PS3
Jul 21, 2007


350hp to the front wheels? Just give it awd already...

Naky
May 30, 2001

Resident Crackhead

D. melanogaster posted:

This won't be available in America, much like the last Focus RS. So no, Ford does not "get it."

It doesn't have four doors so you can't fit the whole family into it but even if you could forgive it for not having four doors then it's more of an issue because the average 600 pound American can't fit into it because lol all americans are fat lol and his 3 400 pound children can't squeeze into the rear seats because there's a seat into the way because lol all american children are fat too lol.

I honestly hate each and every American family man for the lack of hatches like this in America because every single one of them, while car shopping, has to open their big mouth and blurt out 'But I can't fit my family in it!' every time they look at a two door car prompting that automaker to get rid of it with the next revision. Hell even Hyundai's getting rid of the 3DR hatch Accent with the next body design because of those assholes and a 3DR hatch version of that car is practically a tradition. Hate. Rage.

It's hard being a hatch lover in North America, I need to move to Europe.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Naky posted:

It's hard being a hatch lover in North America, I need to move to Europe.

I really like hatches too, but I think their role is to be cheap. I wish that we had a wide selection of cheap, efficient, hatches with 1.3L engines and stick shifts that I could drive around at WOT all the time.

The problem isn't that we are too fat, but rather that gas is so cheap here. These nice Euro hatches are not cheap by our standards, and Americans figure that if you are going to spend decent money on a car, it may as well be big and comfortable.

Frankly, I agree with it to some degree. I'm sure that these Focus RSes are expensive, and if it was my dollar I would want something RWD for the money.

Blocko
Jul 12, 2008

Spoiler alert: Blood Ravens are actually Hiigarans who got sucked into the warp, were sent back in time to fight in WWII against the Panzer Elite, then stole a nazi time machine to go into the future and save mankind from an army of Lobster-Elephants and other impossible creatures.

Rated R.


I love hatches but I really wish they would make AWD or RWD variants instead of the same old FWD torque steer machines. For the money the RS500 costs i'd look into something RWD or AWD any day as 350hp going to the front wheels is just begging to be driven into a tree.

wav3form
Aug 10, 2008


Blocko posted:

I love hatches but I really wish they would make AWD or RWD variants instead of the same old FWD torque steer machines. For the money the RS500 costs i'd look into something RWD or AWD any day as 350hp going to the front wheels is just begging to be driven into a tree.

R32 fits that bill but it's not 300 hp though that can be taken care of with a bit of cash.

decahedron
Aug 8, 2005

by Ozma


The R20 could be neat depending on how much power you can pull out of it.

Hermansen
Sep 2, 2006

Breaker, Breaker,
High Ball, Ten Ten,
Till We Do It Again,
Captain Slow.


I saw a Focus RS in downtown Oslo the other day.
And I have to say, it looked cheap and plasticky. It also looked totally out of place.. almost like a clown car.
Considering the fact that it costs 125000$ over here, I'd never get one. Even if I did have that kind of money to spend on a car..

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006



Naky posted:

It's hard being a hatch lover in North America, I need to move to Europe.

This is one of the reasons I'm "restoring" an old 323, I can't find any other decent hatchbacks I can afford

If I lived in Europe I'd have a plethora to chose from.

Left Ventricle
Feb 24, 2006

Right aorta

Hermansen posted:

I saw a Focus RS in downtown Oslo the other day.
And I have to say, it looked cheap and plasticky. It also looked totally out of place.. almost like a clown car.
Considering the fact that it costs 125000$ over here, I'd never get one. Even if I did have that kind of money to spend on a car..
This is a bit of a derail, but why do cars cost so much in Norway? I mean, I know one US dollar will buy you around six krone, but still, 125k for a Focus RS?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Left Ventricle posted:

This is a bit of a derail, but why do cars cost so much in Norway? I mean, I know one US dollar will buy you around six krone, but still, 125k for a Focus RS?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/29/b...iht-norway.html

TL;DR: Evil socialism.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!


Cross posting for those that don't read the Mustang thread.

Don Frey, the man who designed the Mustang, has died.

No matter what you think of the car and what it's become, I think we can all agree that the man penned an iconic vehicle that is a part of American history.

quote:

Donald N. Frey, the leader of the original Ford Mustang design team and creator of the original prototype, passed away on March 5. He lived to 86.

In reading the obituary in the New York Times, I was struck at how close Ford came to not making the iconic pony car at all. According to the article, Frey and his team secretly met with Lee Iacocca "in a motel at night and in a storage room by day" to work on the Mustang -even though it wasn't yet approved by top management.

Did this rogue team know what it was doing? Well, the debut of the Mustang at the 1964 New York World's Fair brought more attention to the car than they expected. Ford figured it would sell about 80,000 units in the first year, according to the Times. The Mustang went on to sell more than one million examples in the first two years. Yes, they were on to something.

frozenphil fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Mar 30, 2010

Blocko
Jul 12, 2008

Spoiler alert: Blood Ravens are actually Hiigarans who got sucked into the warp, were sent back in time to fight in WWII against the Panzer Elite, then stole a nazi time machine to go into the future and save mankind from an army of Lobster-Elephants and other impossible creatures.

Rated R.


wav3form posted:

R32 fits that bill but it's not 300 hp though that can be taken care of with a bit of cash.

The R32 is not available in Canada.
Having said that though I do really want one.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007







Smellrose

I'm not sure if I like it yet or not, but, news today on the Nissan Leaf:

NYT

quote:

Nissan Leaf Electric Car Priced at $32,780
By JIM MOTAVALLI
The 2011 Nissan Leaf will go on sale at the end of the year. The 2011 Nissan Leaf will go on sale at the end of the year.

The 2011 Nissan Leaf battery electric car, which will go on sale in the United States in December, will have a manufacturers suggested retail price of $32,780, a Nissan spokesman, Mark Perry, said Tuesday morning. Nissan prefers to describe the price as $25,280 inclusive of a $7,500 federal income tax credit.

According to Mr. Perry, the standard SV trim level will include many options, including a navigation system, automatic temperature control, an audio system with satellite radio and remote control features that will allow the car to be both preheated and precooled while connected to a wall outlet.

For $940, customers can move up to SL trim, which includes a rearview camera, foglights and a spoiler-mounted solar panel. The Leaf can also be leased. Customers can put $1,999 down and pay $349 a month, Mr. Perry said. The Leaf home charger (called a charging dock and built and installed by Nissan partner AeroVironment) will be sold for $2,200, or leased for $30 a month. Consumers can also get a federal tax credit for installing a charger, equal to 50 percent of the total cost up to $2,000.

Nissan said it has a list of 85,000 hand raisers who have indicated an interest in the car. On April 20, these people will be offered a chance to move to reservation status, which involves paying a refundable $99 reservation fee. Reservations trigger a visit from a certified electrician, who will make a written estimate of what it will cost to install a charging dock.

Delivery of the cars will begin in 20 launch markets (including Washington State, Oregon, California, Arizona, Tennessee, Texas, Florida, North Carolina and Massachusetts). By the end of 2011, Nissan expects the car to be available nationwide.



I dunno. It's a little bug-eyed, not the most attractive car. But it's cool to see purchaseable, production electric cars from major manufacturers, and the tax rebates makes it reasonably affordable.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Leperflesh posted:

I dunno. It's a little bug-eyed, not the most attractive car. But it's cool to see purchaseable, production electric cars from major manufacturers, and the tax rebates makes it reasonably affordable.

Does it drive and feel like an econobox? If so, then this $25,000 car costs $10,000 more than a comparable new economy car, and assuming 30mpg and $3/gal that $10,000 can buy enough gas to go 100,000 miles.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I want to believe


Throatwarbler posted:

In non-Mustang related Ford news, Ford resurrects the RS500 nameplate.


They pull the motherfucking RS500 designation out of storage to go on a motherfucking FWD Focus. I don't give a poo poo how quick it is, that's sacrilege.

keykey
Mar 28, 2003

     


Leperflesh posted:



The headlights on that thing make it look like a coked out whore.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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leica posted:

This is one of the reasons I'm "restoring" an old 323, I can't find any other decent hatchbacks I can afford

If I lived in Europe I'd have a plethora to chose from.

I'm doing an 89 Escort GT.

I love boxy hatchbacks.

Purple Haze PS3
Jul 21, 2007


Naky posted:

It doesn't have four doors so you can't fit the whole family into it but even if you could forgive it for not having four doors then it's more of an issue because the average 600 pound American can't fit into it because lol all americans are fat lol and his 3 400 pound children can't squeeze into the rear seats because there's a seat into the way because lol all american children are fat too lol.

I honestly hate each and every American family man for the lack of hatches like this in America because every single one of them, while car shopping, has to open their big mouth and blurt out 'But I can't fit my family in it!' every time they look at a two door car prompting that automaker to get rid of it with the next revision. Hell even Hyundai's getting rid of the 3DR hatch Accent with the next body design because of those assholes and a 3DR hatch version of that car is practically a tradition. Hate. Rage.

It's hard being a hatch lover in North America, I need to move to Europe.


I'm glad someone said this. I imagine this is also the reason crossovers exist.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



InitialDave posted:

They pull the motherfucking RS500 designation out of storage to go on a motherfucking FWD Focus. I don't give a poo poo how quick it is, that's sacrilege.

I dunno why they couldn't just call it the RS350.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I want to believe


kimbo305 posted:

I dunno why they couldn't just call it the RS350.
In fairness, they are building 500 of them, so at least they're keeping with the origins of the name, but it's like the stupid girlie-pants excuse for an Escort RS2000 they spat out in the '90s.

Build something "RS500" if you want, but it should be a homologation special - in this case, preferably based on the WRC car. Not a bit of tweaking and a paintjob to upsell "exclusivity". Also, given that they supposedly get this extra power without impacting either emissions of fuel consumption ( ), why can't they just upgrade the standard car, or sell it as a premium pack?

allonblack
Dec 9, 2004

Yes, you.

Purple Haze PS3 posted:

350hp to the front wheels? Just give it awd already...

The RS used to be AWD but they scrapped that with the current generation.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

allonblack posted:

The RS used to be AWD but they scrapped that with the current generation.

Uh, no it wasn't?

He's talking about the old late 80s early 90s Sierra RS500, which was either AWD or RWD.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007







Smellrose

Weinertron posted:

Does it drive and feel like an econobox? If so, then this $25,000 car costs $10,000 more than a comparable new economy car, and assuming 30mpg and $3/gal that $10,000 can buy enough gas to go 100,000 miles.

Yeah, I'm not going to buy one. Not this one, anyway.

Prices for electric cars will drop when volume blah blah you get the idea. Maybe in 15 years I can buy something with the looks and performance of a Tesla Roadster, but with better battery life and shorter charge-time, for $30k. Anything that brings that day closer is a good thing.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

"You are the best poster... do not let anyone say otherwise."


InitialDave posted:

They pull the motherfucking RS500 designation out of storage to go on a motherfucking FWD Focus. I don't give a poo poo how quick it is, that's sacrilege.
...
In fairness, they are building 500 of them, so at least they're keeping with the origins of the name, but it's like the stupid girlie-pants excuse for an Escort RS2000 they spat out in the '90s.

I don't think it's been confirmed anywhere if it's FWD or not, though maybe I'm mistaken since I don't F5 jalopnik all day. I sure as gently caress hope it's not, otherwise it really is pretty stupid to pull that name out when the only difference is just some extra power. As it is, they might be building just 500 of them, but this smells of the limited edition Mustangs more than it does of homologation requirements like it was for the previous RS500.

If the acceleration figures are to be trusted, the extra 125hp translate into a 0.5 second advantage over the Sierra, so I'm curious how that would work out in the real world. Also lol it's only 0.1 seconds faster (if that) than the Cossie Escort, though I'm using metric wikipedia numbers as it's impossible to find stock performances anywhere.

allonblack posted:

The RS used to be AWD but they scrapped that with the current generation.
[beaten like a fwd econobox with too much power]
Not all RS cars were AWD though, even the "proper" ones. The original Escorts as well as the early Sierras were RWD, IIRC. It doesn't bug me too much that they kept the original layout, just that it's FWD with 350hp.

Oh well, maybe there is going to be Focus RS Cosworth with 4-500hp and AWD.

allonblack
Dec 9, 2004

Yes, you.

mobby_6kl posted:

[beaten like a fwd econobox with too much power]
Not all RS cars were AWD though, even the "proper" ones. The original Escorts as well as the early Sierras were RWD, IIRC. It doesn't bug me too much that they kept the original layout, just that it's FWD with 350hp.

Oh well, maybe there is going to be Focus RS Cosworth with 4-500hp and AWD.

Well fuckadoo, I stand corrected. For some reason I had it in my head that the Focus RS *used* to be AWD. I see now that that's incorrect.

decahedron
Aug 8, 2005

by Ozma


Leperflesh posted:

Yeah, I'm not going to buy one. Not this one, anyway.

Prices for electric cars will drop when volume blah blah you get the idea. Maybe in 15 years I can buy something with the looks and performance of a Tesla Roadster, but with better battery life and shorter charge-time, for $30k. Anything that brings that day closer is a good thing.

I'm not specifically interested in the Leaf but I do wish them best of luck for the reasons you state. Seriously, even if it's not profitable/not a great car/whatever, it's an interesting step forward. Maybe it won't pan out, maybe it will, but dudes who are like "well it ain't cost effective" are the guys that were bitching about the newfangled horseless carriage in 1900 so I'm not gonna take them seriously.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002
All I'm saying is that should be enough to arouse some suspicion is all.


Leperflesh posted:

Yeah, I'm not going to buy one. Not this one, anyway.

Prices for electric cars will drop when volume blah blah you get the idea. Maybe in 15 years I can buy something with the looks and performance of a Tesla Roadster, but with better battery life and shorter charge-time, for $30k. Anything that brings that day closer is a good thing.

I got excited when I first heard about the Leaf, then I saw it. I've heard there's going to be an BEV Ford Focus coming out soon as well, but I haven't heard many details on it yet. But in a years time if we have the option to get a fully battery electric vehicle from Nissan and Ford I'll be really happy about the future.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000



Mercedes-AMG is releasing a new 5.5L twin turbo V8 to replace the current 6.3L V8.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/1100301...engine-revealed

http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-...S=1270046220615

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!

Mr. Apollo posted:

Mercedes-AMG is releasing a new 5.5L twin turbo V8 to replace the current 6.3L V8.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/1100301...engine-revealed

http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-...S=1270046220615



It looks like a beetle. And maybe it's just me but V-8s really bore the hell out of me. Unless it's a high-revving monster it's going to end up sounding kind of like any number of big V-8s I routinely hear driving around and where's the fun in that?

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.

Slime TrainerS

Leperflesh posted:

I'm not sure if I like it yet or not, but, news today on the Nissan Leaf:

NYT




I dunno. It's a little bug-eyed, not the most attractive car. But it's cool to see purchaseable, production electric cars from major manufacturers, and the tax rebates makes it reasonably affordable.
You think that's bug-eyed? Wait until you see the Juke:

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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



Itzena posted:

You think that's bug-eyed? Wait until you see the Juke:



I'm cool with that. As bizarre as the Vehicross, which had an equally pinched tumblehome.

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