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grover posted:If I were to buy a 4-seat family car right now... I'd buy a Shelby GT500. No matter how much they improve it, a Fusion is still a boring fwd family sedan.
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It's funny too, because Fusions are really loving nice cars and are decidedly less boring than most in the segment.
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kimbo305 posted:Cool, so money is no object for you. Overall, I did really like the Fusion (was a '11, I think), but one complaint I had was tire spin. My last 3 cars have been RWD and in the short time I was driving it, I just couldn't get used to not being able to quickly ease onto full throttle to plant the car. I even got wheel spin in 2nd gear a few times when trying to pass slow drivers. Was frustrating knowing this car had a good engine but couldn't put it to ground, and ruined some of the fun. On the upside, though, the trunk was massive. Almost too big; my samsonite suitcase was clunking around like a loving pinball in the twisties, and ended up smashing up one of the corners of it pretty good. Cargo net would probably fix that. Oh, also, I didn't like the cupholders and the "passenger airbag disabled" light when my laptop bag was on the passenger seat was overly bright and very distracting at night. grover fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jan 11, 2012 |
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Jan 11, 2012 17:18
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I've always liked the Fusion since it came out; the chassis designers were all involved with amateur motorsport at some level (mostly autocross) so the car has had some excellent suspension work done to it over the years. The latest model is drat near the way I remember the original Maximas being, plus a billion pounds. Great brakes on the SEL V6 models, it almost makes up for the automatic. Lots of initial bite and fairly large calipers to deal with the massive weight of the AWD models.
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Jan 11, 2012 17:30
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VikingSkull posted:It's funny too, because Fusions are really loving nice cars and are decidedly less boring than most in the segment. I don't know which fusions you drive but the FWD 4cyl we have is not exactly thrilling. I'd take an Accord any day, Honda really knows how to build a 4cyl engine and the interior quality is better. Fusion has more options for a fair bit less money though so perhaps it's not a totally fair comparison.
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sanchez posted:I don't know which fusions you drive but the FWD 4cyl we have is not exactly thrilling. I'd take an Accord any day, Honda really knows how to build a 4cyl engine and the interior quality is better. Fusion has more options for a fair bit less money though so perhaps it's not a totally fair comparison. It's almost like different makes are trying to differentiate themselves from the competition!
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iv46vi posted:Doesn't Honda still use their own version of an auto transmission that's different fom everyone else's? "Wikipedia posted:Honda's automatic transmissions are unusual in that they do not use planetary gears like nearly all other makers. Instead, the Hondamatic and its successors use traditional, individual gears on parallel axes like a manual transmission, with each gear ratio engaged by a separate hydraulic clutch pack. This design is also noteworthy because it preserves engine braking by eliminating a sprag between first and second gears
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onezero posted:
Honda came out a few years ago with an uninspired, hybrid NSX concept. While it did evolve into a racecar, it never made it to the streets on account of mild interest. Now, Honda has released a second uninspired, hybrid NSX concept. Starting to see a pattern here?
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sanchez posted:I don't know which fusions you drive but the FWD 4cyl we have is not exactly thrilling. I'd take an Accord any day, Honda really knows how to build a 4cyl engine and the interior quality is better. Fusion has more options for a fair bit less money though so perhaps it's not a totally fair comparison. I work with the Ford account at the auction I work at so I've driven all of them. The base models offer more options in the class, and the AWD 6's are a loving blast to drive. e- also enough about interior quality, Hondas and Toyotas and everyone else uses cheap plastic too. I don't know why this is still A Thing in 2012, the Big Three have been getting positive reviews on their build quality for over a year now. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 11, 2012 |
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VikingSkull posted:e- also enough about interior quality, Hondas and Toyotas and everyone else uses cheap plastic too. I don't know why this is still A Thing in 2012, the Big Three have been getting positive reviews on their build quality for over a year now. The Fusion is all hard kind of scaly looking plastic and fake aluminium, it's just not very nice. The blue instruments are tacky. I also hope the transmission explodes before the powertrain warranty is up rather than after, it's been in twice for software updates and still does weird things from time to time. The engine can be harsh and intrusive at WOT, the Accord can get noisy too but at least it sounds better. sanchez fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Jan 11, 2012 |
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Jan 11, 2012 23:29
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onezero posted:Uncrate's words: I had to bust ot laughing at this line. I'd be willing to bet money if you had an NSX parked on a street somewhere, 90% of the people who passed wouldn't know what it is.
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Mighty Horse posted:I had to bust ot laughing at this line. This. It's a legendary car among buffs but the average person wouldn't have a clue. The NSX concept has a scary amount of 3G/4G eclipse in the design. It's not bad it's just...meh.
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Allpar has updated their Dodge Dart page. The list of available features is impressive for a car that starts at $16k. quote:
Pics of rear suspension You can also see in the pics the sensor for Smartbeam which automatically dim highbeams when it detects traffic. I didn't even know what "Rear cross path detection" was until I looked it up. Basically when you put it in reverseand back out of a parking spot, the blind spot monitoring will adjust to a longer range and tell you if there are any cars coming. Interior room is almost the same as a midsize sedan.
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MrChips posted:Honda came out a few years ago with an uninspired, hybrid NSX concept. While it did evolve into a racecar, it never made it to the streets on account of mild interest. Now, Honda has released a second uninspired, hybrid NSX concept. Starting to see a pattern here? Honestly, how long has it been since Honda released a new car that was objectively better than its competitors? S2000 came out in 1999, I guess you could count the RSX in 2001, and then since then it's been Ridgelines, Odysseys, aging Accords, the CRZ, the ZDX, and a host of other lovely cars that aren't competitive. Their most competitive "sporty" car is the Civic Si and the new one isn't really hitting it off. I fully expect this to suck despite really hoping it doesn't. If they nix the hybrid motors, use the money saved to focus on lowering weight, and just use the tried-and-true N/A 3.7L they could hop on the simplification bandwagon and offer an upmarket FRS/BRZ-segment car.  R.I.P. fun honda
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Jan 12, 2012 03:59
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I didn't see this posted yet. http://www.green.autoblog.com/2012/01/10/toyota-prius-c-detroit-auto-show-2012/ I'm horribly excited about that.
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Throatwarbler posted:Allpar has updated their Dodge Dart page. The list of available features is impressive for a car that starts at $16k. I...actually kind of like it. They even showed off the six speed manual version. The windows look pretty small but there aren't any new cars that don't look like that it seems so whatever. Dodge has a really nice looking back end these days, the lights are super cool at night and very distinctive. However, what's going on underneath here? This is at the back so it's not a block heater or something. 
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bidikyoopi posted:Honestly, how long has it been since Honda released a new car that was objectively better than its competitors? S2000 came out in 1999, I guess you could count the RSX in 2001, and then since then it's been Ridgelines, Odysseys, aging Accords, the CRZ, the ZDX, and a host of other lovely cars that aren't competitive. Their most competitive "sporty" car is the Civic Si and the new one isn't really hitting it off. Honda is resting on its laurels at this point, they are the Chrysler of Asian cars IMO.
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bidikyoopi posted:Honestly, how long has it been since Honda released a new car that was objectively better than its competitors? Where I am the current Accord Euro and Odyssey are still class leading, the current Jazz/Fit, Civic and V6 Accord are all competitive. The CRV is pretty crap, but then so is everything its competing with. Thats despite the Civic being overdue for a refresh and Jazz being more than half way through its cycle.
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law abiding rapist posted:
Could be a thing they use in car shows to keep the cars powered?
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Throatwarbler posted:Could be a thing they use in car shows to keep the cars powered? Most likely. Having a cable coming out of the bonnet wouldn't be a good look.
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VikingSkull posted:Honda is resting on its laurels at this point, they are the Chrysler of Asian cars IMO.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:What's Mitsubishi then? Probably seconds from exiting the North American market.
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AWD Dodge Dart SRT-4 would be pretty sweet...
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Seat Safety Switch posted:What's Mitsubishi then? I'd say Honda's more like mid-90s Ford, minus the exciting parts. Mitsubishi is mid 90's Eagle. Which is funny when you think about it.
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No one cares about the new 2013 Boxster / Boxster S? It actually looks like a car now! A lot of 918 RSR with a hint of Ferrari and overall a big step forward in my opinion. A ~400hp "Cayman Turbo" in the future would be very, very interesting IMO. I also like the wink with the license plate number in combination with the interior/exterior color scheme.  Boxster S: 3,5L NA 315 hp flat six, 7-Gear PDK, optional PTV, PASM and all that 911 jazz.    
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I hate the rear light spoilers.
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eames posted:No one cares about the new 2013 Boxster / Boxster S? It actually looks like a car now! Wow! That car is really, really sweet looking. I'm no big fan of Porsche (911) styling but I did like the Cayman, and this one tops it in looks by a long shot. If the residuals are the same as on the old Boxter, I could conceivably buy one around midlife crisis time...
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Ziploc posted:I hate the rear light spoilers. OMG looks like something a Korean car designer would do. Brutal.
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I don't hate it but I don't exactly love it either. At least it's something different. Looks very nice overall.
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eames posted:A ~400hp "Cayman Turbo" in the future would be very, very interesting IMO. That will never happen, as long as Porsche still makes the 911. Porsche knows that for a similar power output, a Cayman will be faster than a 911 every time. Expect the Boxster/Cayman to go the other way, as Porsche is supposedly developing a turbocharged flat-4 for those cars, and for the on-again, off-again entry level roadster.
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MrChips posted:That will never happen, as long as Porsche still makes the 911. Porsche knows that for a similar power output, a Cayman will be faster than a 911 every time. Expect the Boxster/Cayman to go the other way, as Porsche is supposedly developing a turbocharged flat-4 for those cars, and for the on-again, off-again entry level roadster. I kept that in mind when I wrote that. The 991 Carrera S is about as fast as the 997 GT3 around the ring, so I expect the new Turbo to be really, really, really quick, despite it's rear engine. No idea how fast the new Boxster will be or how fast a 400hp-new-Cayman would be, but I'd still like to see that car just for the heck of it, priced above the entry-level Carrera.
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eames posted:No one cares about the new 2013 Boxster / Boxster S? It actually looks like a car now! That is a loving good looking car.
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TLG James posted:I didn't see this posted yet. If Toyota is smart enough to actually stock base models of this thing they will sell pretty well. People that buy commuter cars based on their Hwy MPG rating will love it since it costs less than a Cruze ECO. A car that isn't an unsafe tin can that gets 50MPG for $19k is not bad at all.
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The HUD in the Camaro owns.
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BonzoESC posted:The HUD in the Camaro owns. Wow it does directions in the HUD now? The ones Ive seen in the vettes didnt do that. I love the HUD and seriously wish it was an option on all cars. Having it and then not having it on another car is depressing.
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Franco Caution posted:Wow it does directions in the HUD now? The ones Ive seen in the vettes didnt do that. The ones in the newer BMWs have basically everything in them now with full color: 
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Stealth Like posted:The ones in the newer BMWs have basically everything in them now with full color: This should make it even easier for people to drive their cars on to railroad tracks and off bridges.
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Franco Caution posted:Wow it does directions in the HUD now? The ones Ive seen in the vettes didnt do that. This one's on the 2012 Camaro; Hertz wouldn't give me a modern Corvette last night when I swapped the first one out (airbag warning), and I didn't think to check the dashboard on the one they had right there to see.
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Franco Caution posted:Wow it does directions in the HUD now? The ones Ive seen in the vettes didnt do that. How about an aftermarket HUD? This one looks promising: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004YPBGLY?tag=vglnk-c186-20
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Are we really doing HUDs again? I thought they were a late 80s fad like digital dashboards.
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