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Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Koirhor posted:

its actually a really good seat, so much better than the Graco in my wife's car.

Agreed. I had that red one above and moved up to the next size seats for both of our cars. They're built like tanks.

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Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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95 Saturn SL2
97 Toyota 4Runner SR5
95 Lexus SC400
99 MB E55
01 Nissan Pathfinder
10 Audi S4
14 Jeep GC SRT

I always seem to swap between SUVs and performance cars but I've finally combined them, at least until a few years from now when I end up in a new S4 again or something. That car was awesome.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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eyebeem posted:

I think the scat basically replaced the 392 for 2015. I was looking for a scat pack, but couldn't find one that wasn't loaded with bullshit and I didnt want to wait for a special order.

So I bought an Abarth.

I'm wierd.

The Scats are like R/Ts with the 6.4, the 392 is what used to be the standard SRT but I think they added the 392 to the name when the Hellcats came out.

I tried an Abarth, S3, S5, 135i, 335i, and CLA while owning an S4 but ended up with a JCG SRT. Fun cars are fun cars v:shobon:v

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Throatwarbler posted:

Fine, but I would still like the column shifter though. The dodge/ford/Chevy cars already come with them in the cop versions, so there should be minimal new investment. Well I don't really care about the Chevy because you can get it with a stick, but the slushbox only ones should. What's the point of the rotary dial shifter anyway, what problem is it supposed to solve?

Throatwarbler posted:

I wish they would just switch to column shifters for all these slushbox cars and free up that console space...

There's a lot of really weird opinions about new cars in here and most seem like they're based on cars that came out like 5-10 years ago.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Doesn't really matter if you're never planning to sell it.

I bet the amount of people keeping a luxury car past 5 years is pretty small. Personally the A6 pretty far ahead of the Genesis but at least in the US the price difference is pretty fair until you consider the extra depreciation on the Genesis. It's a neat car but unless they split the Genesis and Equus into a separate brand it's going to be dragged down by Hyundai's name for a long time. I hope they keep getting better because it's really nice package at face value.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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The 8 speed in my SRT is terrific and at least as good at the DCT I had in the S4 so there are some with good programming. I bet the 5.7 is also good with the 8 speed since the transmission doesn't have to work as hard to make up for the engine's limits.

edit: the Renegade apparently uses the 9 speed so all bets are off

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Powershift posted:

we were just at par though :negative:

I'm expecting 2016 prices to get hosed straight to all hell in canada.


A renegade trackhawk would probably hit 45k max in the US from what SRT JGCs are going for currently. I also haven't heard any concrete rumors of the Hellcat JGC either as a supplier, not that they would properly inform us, but last I heard they weren't introducing new SRTs until they had warranty drivetrain issues ironed out.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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BloodBag posted:

Oh look, a nice looking hatchback...I bet that wont get sold in the US, but I bet they are working on a crossover version of it :downsbravo:

I parked my impreza next to an X1 the other day on purpose, to see why this vehicle needed to be created and marketed as a crossover. I thought surely it'd be a taller vehicle, it wasn't. It literally is a station wagon. God forbid they call it one. Also, wtf is going on with all these wierd coupe style SUVs like the X4 and X6? Why would you want a less useful car that's still supposedly an suv? I don't understand why these things exist or why people purchase them.

Because it's more useful than a car when you still don't want something in the full SUV profile. If calling it a crossover instead of a wagon makes it more viable to bring more to market then that's fine with me. I'd love more fast wagons so I wouldn't have to settle with fast SUVs but the perk of crossovers generally being AWD is also nice.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

Grater posted:

I'm actually in the market for either one of these or an Expedition. I was looking at Exloders and Durangos but their essentially unusable third row seat is turning me off of them. Rented a Suburban on a recent vacation and was more impressed than I expected to be. Since I've got all these drat kids I need something larger and so here I am.

Anyone have thoughts on Tahoe vs Expedition? Likely a gently used 2015 so that I get either the new Tahoe or the Ecoboost in the Expedition.

There's also Toyota Sequoias and comedy option Nissan Armadas, both built off their fullsize trucks. Both are fairly old designs though. buy a minivan :v:

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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drgitlin posted:

Yeah, I'm not going to defend the Ford, GM, or FCA OEM systems.

uconnect is good

so is horsepower

thanks

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

Residency Evil posted:

Her choice, not mine. She would prefer something with five seats and the xc90 to her seems smaller than the Q7. :shrug: It is kind of amazing how dated the Q5 feels after driving a brand new model though.

I'm not going to argue as long as she's ok with me buying something impractical with two doors.

Try a Macan :getin:

We started with Q7s and similar SUVs but my wife loved the Macan once I convinced her that it's fun to have a small, faster car, especially since it's pretty much a fancier S4 hatchback.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Keyser S0ze posted:

How dumb would it be to get a Jeep Grand Cherokee AWD with a Hemi V8? I only live a few blocks from a huge "automall" where it could go back for weekly repair visits.

I have 18k miles in my JGC while redlining multiple times and day and blasting down terrible access roads without a single rattle or maintenance besides oil changes at 6k. Almost any car these days is much more reliable than people expect.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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fknlo posted:

Everyone remember the recall for the "confusing" shifter in some Jeeps? The guy who played Chekov in the new Star Trek movies got killed by his car rolling back on him and pinning him against his mailbox and it turns out it was a 2015 Grand Cherokee that was part of the recall. So that could get interesting.

It's the dumbest shifter design that is misused by the dumbest people but I'm not looking forward to what wonderful fix there will be.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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It doesn't show in that video but there's actually 3 positions in either direction so if you're going Drive to Park you click through all 3 but if you're going to reverse you just move it two, and move it one for neutral and vice versa. I'd much rather have a gated shifter but once you're used to it it's easy enough to use. I would say about half the people that drive mine have trouble getting it into the right gear their first time driving it if I don't tell them how it works which is pretty awful from a usability standpoint and I'm not sure how it got through testing.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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SCA Enthusiast posted:

ftfy

I'm kinda torn on this one. On one hand it's not intuitive, but on the other hand people expect cars to be all the same and they should just be able to jump in and turn the key and go with no effort to learn anything about them.

How hard is it to make a conscious effort to learn the equipment?

It's a stupid design that has no upside. Considering there's 7 positions and only 4 drive modes it's actually a greater waste than just eliminating the springing back to center and letting each position be a fixed mode. I doubt it even is much simpler to produce since the actual shift lever that goes into the transmission has been essentially unchanged forever so it's probably only different on the actual hand shifter assembly.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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I'm surprised more companies aren't going to digital speedos since with modern screens they look nice and are convenient. I keep mine in digital mode all the time after a short adjustment time and I generally only follow the digital section in my wife's car even though there's an analog speedo with its dumb tiny markings up to 170mph in 180 degrees of travel.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Residency Evil posted:

My gf and I went car shopping, as we were trying to decide between the X1, X3, Q3, and Q5 for her. We ended up test driving the base Macan for the hell of it and she loves it. It drives incredibly well compared to all of the others, has a fantastic interior, and if I'm honest the 2.0T is more than enough for her driving around.

We're in the process of ordering a base Macan. :ohdear:

Macan's own. My wife have an S that has 19k miles on in less than a year because it's just a nice place to spend time while still being pretty drat fast. I drove SQ5s and Macans and the Macan is night and day better even if the engine isn't as good (but sounds better) as the Audi's. It has PASM and air suspension so it really can go from silky smooth to razor sharp in seconds and I just finished driving 6 hour round trip on a family vacation to Chicago without any complaints.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Goober Peas posted:

Also got to drive a Pacifica today. It leapfrogs the Odyssey for now on driving dynamics, ride quality, noise, roominess, and practicality. Trip computer was showing 24 mpg in mixed driving. I still don't like the 9 speed transmission. The only thing I would be afraid of would be it turning into a squeak and rattle trap by the end of the warranty. No indication it will, other than past Mopar experience.

FWIW my grand cherokee is squeak and rattle free after 20k tough miles but FCA are still a bunch of jerks

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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wallaka posted:

My Challenger is up to 43k and is squeak- and rattle-free, except the Brembos squeak a bit sometimes when it's humid out. Not that you could hear any rattles anyway over the engine.

Mine only squeak when they're cold but I'm still on the OEM pads which seem to be holding up better than expected. I only got 15k out of the all-seasons tires so I sorta expected the brakes to be worse since a lot of people were reporting having to get new pads and even front rotors around 20k but I think I can easily hit 30k on the original sets.

Speaking of engine sound, I wish the stock exhaust wasn't so drat quiet because even with the quietest aftermarket setup, Borla S-type, it's deafening inside. Sure it sounds amazing but there's no in between without custom fabbing something. I have some tiny resonators that one day I'll have a shot install but I wish it didn't come to that since I couldn't be able to swap back to stock in 10 minutes anymore. Also I wish the MDS was defeatable without a tune because it's annoying as hell.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

wallaka posted:

DynoMax has a catback setup for Challengers that has little spring-loaded flappers in the muffler. When you're cruising, they close and kill the drone. I saw an instrumented test on YouTube and they're like 10 dB quieter than equivalent magnaflows inside the cabin.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S_g5i4K9G4k

The stock system has the flaps to cut down on MDS drone and the axleback set ups keep them. Some people lock them open but it can throw a code since they're needed for back pressure in MEDS and low rpms. Sport mode does kill MDS but ours nice to have the buttery smooth shifts of normal mode without the buzzing and hitch when you punch it when it's active.


REDjackeT posted:

I think he still has the SRT Jeep, right?


What youtube clips I listened to made it sound like the Jeep is quieter then the cars, which kinda sucks. Does MDS not get disabled in sport mode? It does for me.

My mechanic asked if I wanted my resonators cut off after he did it to two hellcat challengers. If the charger wasn't my daily, I might have done it.

The center resonator delete costs a lot of torque and the mufflers are huge 40lb beasts that work too well. I think they were wary of drone since there's no trunk so the entire car resonates. I packed the spare tire well with towels which helped a little and I bought dampening mat but decided against stripping the trim on a new car for unknown gain.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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bull3964 posted:

I'm going to guess that the low volume Cadillac dealerships aren't standalone Cadillac dealerships and are probably selling other GM vehicles (or just other vehicles in general.)

They probably like to have Cadillac there as a halo thing.

Around me they mostly are. They probably would love to kick those dealers out so the big Cadillac dealers can offer improved service to owners to compete better with other luxury brands.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Powershift posted:

My prediction:

0-60 in 3.5 seconds
170 mph top speed
10.9 quarter mile
13.5 miles per gallon
10.5 hard launches per transfer case
14 full throttle shifts per transmission

The stock SRT transmission and AWD is actually really tough and plenty of people are running 800+ without modifications to them. The 6.4 is the weak point when it comes to getting over 500hp and that's solved by the 6.2.

I do hope there's more visual changes because the it looks exactly like the current SRT except for that awful front end because from quarter angles the proportions get wonky and the smaller central grill makes the nose look even more pinched and small than the current SRT. They should have made the central black grill taller instead.

edit:
http://www.torquenews.com/sites/default/files/image-106/dsc_3043.jpg vs http://s3.amazonaws.com/photos.ecarlist.com/Xx/do/KW/uV/PE/ez/Ue/WM/sW/eL/LA_640.jpg

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Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Proud Christian Mom posted:

basically the world I need more V10s and V12s

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

At least it's all digital. The Grand Cherokee has a digital speedometer and analog temp gauges and tachometer. They're designed to look the same, but of course they don't really. It's really weird. It doesn't look quite so strange in this picture as it does in real life.



The digital dash is actually great and one of the most convenient and seamless parts of the interface on the car. The analog mode is dumb but the digital is really convenient and when the backlight is adjusted correctly you really don't notice the edges of the screen. The nice part about the screen is that any pertinent info takes over the main section while the speed slides up so it's easy to tell what the car's doing with all the auto systems because you don't have to hunt it down or dedicate permanent locations for systems that aren't active all the time.

Normal driving





Example of when one of the other features enables automatically.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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CornHolio posted:

If I flip the dimmer on my Dodge at night, the gauges and the touchscreen dim a lot - so much that they're kind of hard to see if it's dawn or dusk and the lights are on. At night though, it's significantly better. If I flip it back to normal mode it's drat near blinding. I think it's a pretty effective night mode.

Does yours have the automatic dimmer that runs separate from the automatic headlights? On the Jeep the interior goes into night mode even in overcast weather that's not dark enough to trigger the headlights and it's pretty convenient. I don't know if they're doing that on all cars but it's a nice improvement but's so minor that it's hard to notice.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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CornHolio posted:

Yeah, if the automatic headlights come on and the dimmer is set, the interior lights all dim. It isn't connected to the clock in any way. Unless I have the dimmer set to normal mode, then it's fine, I just have to flip it at night when it's blinding me.

I was talking about it being a little different. On my JGC the interior dimmer works off of a different setpoint/sensor so even if the headlights are off it'll dim the interior before it's gets dark enough to turn on the headlights. It'd probably make what you're talking about worse but it's a nice minor feature and I was wondering if it was becoming more common.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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It's taken long enough. That red interior owns but :lol: at that retarded scoop and those baby wheel arch flares.

haha, that video. They just tied it to the building

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Cop Porn Popper posted:

Its functional, that means its cool.

They should have dumped the vents and made the scoop bigger to better differentiate them but probably had to keep the vents since they're actually functional. It's just too small for the vehicle size and the same goes for that stupid narrow slit opening in the middle of the grill.

:colbert:

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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DropShadow posted:

I was really hoping they'd stick to this plan, because I like my 2015 GC, I just want more room, and I'd rather have a long Jeep than a Dodge.


The Durango rides on a stretched version of the WK2 (current) Grand Cherokee unibody, which is a very good car (TOTALLY UNBIASED OPINION).


Gotta be more than that. GC SRT is upwards of $70k.

It's an excellent platform and the drivetrain is world class. You'll have effortless power at any RPM and it's probably the most controllable 4.5 0-60 car ever since the weight and AWD make everything easy. I redline multiple times daily because it owns and you don't have to worry about breaking wheels loose which makes that burnout video pretty :laffo:

Best of all it'll be under 70k easily.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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skipdogg posted:

Oh man, you have a GC SRT-8 don't you? So many questions. I have to know, how thirsty is it, and how fast does it eat a set of tires?

My lifetime average is ~14mpg but that's really beating on it at all times. If I drove it normally then probably 16mpg and I've seen 18mpg on the freeway in eco mode (because I was on empty and had to do 40 miles to the nearest gas station). Tires are tricky because runflats come stock because the stiffer sidewall helps support throwing the massive weight around but they ride like poo poo and wear super fast. I drove straight from the dealership to a tire place to swap into winters then went to high performance allseasons for the rest of the year. I just replaced the first set of allseasons this fall at about 20,000 miles which is surprisingly good and the tires are astonishingly cheap for 295/45-20s at under 150 each for good Yokohama sport truck tires.

I've done all the oil changes myself and haven't been to the dealer since getting it 2 years ago but I'll go next time because I think 30k service involves the differentials. It's really a good car and I've done light offroading, spent lots of time bouncing down dirt roads at high speed, caught air off a railroad track a few times, and generally wring it out all the time once it warms up and haven't had a hiccup yet. All that and it's still incredibly practical since it fits my daughter's giant car seat easily, cargo room is generous, and towing is effortless since the oversized engine and brakes make anything under the max towing weight trivial. I put in a CAI which made a noticeable difference, lowered the rear by an inch so it's level, and put on the quietest exhaust available (Borla Type S) but it's still too loud. It sounds great but drones when the MDS kicks on and I can only imagine how bad the 12-13s are with the 5 speed auto and 3000+ rpm at highway speeds.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Pryor on Fire posted:

RIP EPA standards, and in a surprise twist the shitheads are also going to try and prevent California from setting stricter regulations:

never feel bad for california

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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Mariana Horchata posted:

True, and if I recall that's one of the reasons why I-3 engines are coming back.

But the point already brought up about more moving parts located in the deepest recessions of the motor is something that seems indisputable. Look at the consequences from widespread implementation of automotive technologies that despite being used for decades in other applications like direct injection and CVT transmissions still encountered plenty of issues initially for certain manufacturers.

I do hope it becomes a viable technology based upon the potential it brings to the table of course, but I would personally be wary if I cared to purchase a new INFINITI that had this engine...and would certainly accept the possibility of being stuck in a loaner for a month or more while the dealer goes back and forth with Nissan USA.

It's possible that I'm just biased and cynical from having to deal with far too many goatfuck BMW PUMA cases for one lifetime. Very likely in fact, thankfully those days are long over.

Chances are you'd be in a nicer loaner since the Q50 is a base model and most luxury Japanese car dealers offer a choice from their whole model lineup as free loaners during service. The German brands around here tend to use Toyotas, Porsche uses base Cayennes and the Jeep dealers are like 'lol, loaners?' which is disappointing but not surprising.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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big crush on Chad OMG posted:

If you're traveling to a small market on personal travel, book the bottom tier cheapest car you can. Often they won't have it in stock and you can upgrade for free. If they do have it in stock, just pay the difference for whatever you actually want.

I always do this and it's great. Last time in Vegas I booked an Escape, upgraded in person to an Explorer-class for barely anything, then when I went out to pick one there wasn't one and got upped to a Suburban at no cost. Another time I went from a Fiat 500 to a 328 for like $5 more a day. It works as long as you don't absolutely need a particular car type.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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dissss posted:

That's not always such a good thing though - last time my brother rented in the States he got a 'free upgrade' from a Mazda 6 or similar to a full sized Ford SUV which was apparently hillariously uneconomical and awful to drive.

Actually I had a similar thing happen in Europe where I ended up with a Renault Espace instead of a Focus/Golf. This turned out to be somewhat annoying, especially for parking.

Well yeah. I hate Suburbans but it meant everyone could ride with me instead of a couple cars.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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It's ok to accept that SUVs are safer but still want to have less of them on the road to make everyone safer.

I do love me some SUVs though.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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I like how everyone's acting like the current SRTs don't exist and that there's not an assload already pushing higher than 707hp. With the 8 speed and AWD they'll be fiiiiine for daily driving especially if they continue the 2 keys thing because 500 in it isn't a huge deal since they're even heavier than normal SRTs and have a wider track. I can't imagine the harder suspension being a lot of fun and if it comes with factory runflats still then it's going to be brutal on test drives.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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big crush on Chad OMG posted:

So they even offer hellcat test drives today?

Actually you're probably right until there's a couple used ones floating around. Regular SRTs are hard enough to get test drives for.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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DO IT. The drivetrain is so good and it sounds amazing with minimal work since they're really quiet from the factory. Hopefully the Trackhawk is going to go for under MSRP like that in a couple years because I've got 2 more years to go and I just juuuuust about to pull the trigger on the lifetime warranty to drive the JGC SRT into the ground since I have a couple other fun cars to keep my attention.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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CornHolio posted:

I couldn't get the Charger as I wanted the 6-speed manual, which isn't an option in the Charger.

Unfortunately, because FCA, getting the six-speed means I have to run premium and I don't get cylinder deactivation.

Personally I wish I could remove cylinder deactivation because it's terrible with any sort of aftermarket exhaust and gaining 1 mpg for it is not worth it. The salesman when we got the Macan had an identical Jeep as me but had a Corsa catback exhaust and sold it because it sounded so terrible when the cylinders shut down that he had to choose between sport mode which ate gas even faster or the sound.

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Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

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CornHolio posted:

That bad, huh? OK, I guess I'm happy I don't have cylinder deactivation.

To be fair the Corsa setup is loud as hell and personally I don't think it suits the engine but even the mildest of the shelf setup (Borla Type S axleback) it's much more drone-y when it clicks on. Also the mode switch is more pronounced after I put in the CAI since the programming isn't exactly dialed in and there's a tiny bit of hesitation at the switch back to 8. Most people never notice but it drives me nuts. The stock exhaust is still about the best for performance even if it's way too quiet and weighs a ton. Lots of people remove the giant suitcase resonator because hell yeah less restrictions and then post about how their car seems sluggish. It's a dual 2.5" setup, it flows fiiiine.


fattypigfatty posted:

My grand Cherokee has an entire second exhaust system tucked away underneath just for 4 cylinder mode. Seems like a lot of effort since it gets terrible mpg anyway.

SRTs get away with a weird little spring loaded flapper that opens when under light 8 cylinder pressure but otherwise stays closed so that also adds to the different tone. It takes a minute to lock it open which some people say sounds better* but usually triggers a CEL.

* it sounds like rear end all the time instead of some of the time

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