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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Heh, I didn't understand what you guys were posting about until I checked the US price for the old RS4. Apparently in the US the RS4 starts at $66k, similar to the M3 as you would expect.

I'm baffled as to why in Canada the RS4 starts at $95,000, considering the M3 sedan starts at $69,000, not much more than the US price.

Maybe that's why they weren't selling well in Canada. VV

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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

el topo posted:

Nah, we Canadians just plain get screwed by the Canadian subsidiary of the carmakers.

But that's not even it? In every other country the RS4 is a M3 competitor, except in Canada where it costs the same as an M5? What?

EDIT: That's why I never even realized the RS4 was an M3 competitor. To me it was always the "$95,000 A4".

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Feb 23, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

el topo posted:

Basically the Canadian subsidiary set their prices to be 20 to 40% (in the case of Volvo) higher than the American price and they blame it on the exchange rate. It doesn't pass the smell test, they're regularly asked to explain it, and they don't. They have a local monopoly over their brands and they're milking it.

Edit: this isn't about the RS4 specifically but I did the research on this back in 2006 when the CAD was momentarily worth more then the USD.

What the Christ are you talking about? Are you responding to my posts? I'm not comparing it to the US price. The M3 starts at CAD$69k, the C63 starts at CAD$63k. What is the CAD$95k RS4 supposed to be competing against?

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 23, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

quote:

I think hes saying it only applies to some brands which is why its skewed.

It isn't. The regular A4/A6 isn't any more expensive than a 3/5 series or C/E class.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

So to recap the news this week:

Toyota's quality rep comes under question.

SAAB saved.

Hummer probably dead.

When it rains, it pours.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Arise, useful thread!

I hope you weren't looking forward to any new Volvo wagons, because wagons have all been dropped and replaced with SUVs.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

grover posted:

What I find very funny about this is that 80% of BMW 1-series owners thought their car is already front wheel drive.

There's something very very wrong about that.

I read on Allpar (can't seem to find it now) that when they were designing the LH cars, they polled people who drove MBs and BMWS and very few of them knew which wheels were driven. So that 80% of people think a small hatchback like the 1 series is FWD is hardly suprising.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

In non-Mustang related Ford news, Ford resurrects the RS500 nameplate.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Left Ventricle posted:

This is a bit of a derail, but why do cars cost so much in Norway? I mean, I know one US dollar will buy you around six krone, but still, 125k for a Focus RS?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/29/b...iht-norway.html

TL;DR: Evil socialism.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

allonblack posted:

The RS used to be AWD but they scrapped that with the current generation.

Uh, no it wasn't?

He's talking about the old late 80s early 90s Sierra RS500, which was either AWD or RWD.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Toyota must be behind on their Consumer Reports protection payments, because they've just issued a DO NOT BUYon the Lexus GX570.

Apparently 4 ton live axle trucks don't do corners well.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Naky posted:

Consumer reports really is terrible. Any car without ABS -and- ESC automatically on their base model loses a shitload of points from the get-go and very nearly gets put on their do not recommend car list. Never mind that research reports and statistics back up the facts that accidents aren't actually reduced by having ABS and ESC because the drivers that have them tend to drive worse thinking that those systems will save them... and they don't.

This is hardly an argument against CR. CR can't do anything about your reckless driving, all they can do is recommend the safest car for you. By all accounts ESC does significantly assist you in low control situations.

quote:

Plus they are so incredibly Honda-biased it's not even funny. They might as well call themselves the Honda Report. The last ratings I saw them do for subcompacts had the fully loaded Honda Fit rank first, and then the base model Honda Fit come in second. Did they take the fully loaded versions of every other car into consideration? Nope. Just the Fit. But then they compared every other manufacturer's base model car to the fully loaded Fit and not the base model one. What a poo poo show that review was.

The base model Fit doesn't have ESC, while the loaded one does, right? Can you get even get ESC at all in the Aveo or any other competitors? Maybe that's why. The Fit's only competitors are the Aveo, Versa, Accent/Rio and Yaris anyway, hardly a very competetive field. Ford, Chrysler and VW don't even sell subcompacts here until the Fiesta makes it over.

In any case, the Honda Fit is something like the best selling subcompact car in virtually any significant market for subcompact cars, so maybe they really are that good.

Autoblog had a nice interview with John Linkov in their last(before the current one) podcast, where they discuss at length their testing methodology, I found it very interesting. Bascially it confirms what I've always thought - their tests and hard data are great. Their subject rankings and conclusions are as good as...anyone else's subjective rankings and conclusions.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Apr 14, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Seat Safety Switch posted:

After watching the video, that is a fairly aggressive amount of oversteer considering the traction control is supposed to be working at that point - none of the other SUVs reviewed go wild like that. It doesn't invalidate my argument about needing better driver training before you get into a powerful, tall RWD-biased vehicle, though.

CR's target market is morons, so their recommendation is based on "will a moron cross the yellow line and tag me with his rear end going around a blind corner doing 40 over while talking on his cellphone and ferociously masturbating to his in-dash TV?"

e: At least it's not as clearly unrealistic as their test of the Samurai.

ee: This actually looks like fun. I wonder if I can scam my local TV news into giving me the keys of one of these things so I can demo it on air.

Plans to unveil the GX460 in China have been shelved indefinitely due to the safety concerns that have arisen, so this is pretty serious business.

I spun my small AWD car with snow tires across John Laurie Blvd, barely managing to miss 3 other cars, and ended up high centered backwards on the median last winter. That any added safety feature just encourages me to drive more recklessly is definitely true.

EDIT: Maybe I will post the dash cam video one day when I finally lose any small modicum of self respect.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 14, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.


quote:

Rear Suspension: Double Wishbone with pushrods, Dynamics suspension DSSV 4 way adjustable dampers

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Q_res posted:

Double wishbone with pushrods, isn't that basically Control Blade?

I thought it means the springs and dampers are mounted inboard and actuated by rods.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

The new Ford Explorer, in addition to being uni-body, will now have Land Rover's Terrain Control technology in it too.

EDIT:

quote:

We naturally wish our friends the best of luck with their new vehicle. We just want everyone to know where the system was invented. And that was right here at Land Rover.

Welp.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Apr 21, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

kimbo305 posted:

The one car that really put its money where its mouth is is the Megane R26.R. They pulled almost all the stops on that one except A/C.

The European market E30 M3 could be had with no A/C, A/C equipped cars had different springs in the front struts, to account for the difference in weight. It really was the perfect car for all the spring/shock posters in this forum.

BMW use to be cool.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

I caught this weeks Autoline Detroit on podcast, where they had a very detailed inverview with Victor Mueller, the chief of Spyker, about how he plans on turning around SAAB. I thought it was very interesting.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

dissss posted:

In the words of the zen master - we'll see.

The newest Fiesta has been available for some time here and its hardly kicking rear end in that segment. Yes its a great little car, but its not packaged nearly as well as a Jazz/Fit, doesn't have the combination of cutesy looks and cheap prices of the Suzuki Swift nor the perceived build quality and fancy gearbox of the newer VW Polos.

Actually, it will have the fancy gearbox. Fancier than the VWs, even. The first batch out of the gate didn't. The 6 speed DSG will give it a significant fuel economy advantage over the Fit and Yaris. It's also selling tremendously well - over 500,000 global sales in the first year and will probably overtake the Golf as the best selling car in the EU this year.

Maybe it doesn't sell well in NZ for the same reason it won't sell well in the US - Americans and New Zealanders don't want small cars, they want ever larger cars with ever larger V8s.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 23:00 on May 27, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Wankie posted:

The North American Fiesta only comes with the excellent 1.6l Ti-VCT engine and either a 6 manual or a 6 speed dry clutch DSG, its VASTLY superior to Fit 1.5l with an old school 5 speed slushbox. Also the US Fiesta has SYNC which currently isn't available on overseas models, has far better fuel economy and a much lower price with more standard equipment thanks to lower costs being built in Mexico vs Japan.

The manual in the Fiesta is a 5 speed. The Fit comes with the 6MT. Honda assembles the Fit in Thailand also, they could match the cost if there was enough demand, there isn't enough demand. Building the Fiesta in Mexico probably has more to do withe Ford's Latin American market.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Seat Safety Switch posted:

No, I believe the Fit is a 5-speed manual. It turns like four grand in top gear going 100kph. A 6-speed Fit would be pretty keen.

I agree with the rest of what you said, though.

Huh. I must have been thinking of the Versa.

The Honda Pilot outsold the fit 80k to 67k in 2009. What does it say when even in the best year for subcompacts, your class leading subcompact still can't outsell your largest 3 row SUV? The Pilot isn't even that good - still rocking that old J series V6 and 5 speed auto, with a bland exterior. The Ford Flex and GM's Lambda SUVS all come with DI engines and 6 speed autos standard.

I guess the Fiesta will do OK, but subcompacts are a side show of no consequence. They really need to stay focused on their full size SUVs and trucks.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

awesome-express posted:

Sorry, can't help you with the translation but there's one interesting fact (rumor?) about the SLS.

I remember reading somewhere that the SLS was originally supposed to be the new Viper back in the good ole Daimler-Chrysler days, with most of the engineering coming from Chrysler. The huge hood and tiny trunk really resemble the Viper's design.

Just puttin' it out there.

EDIT: Found a link!

http://blogs.insideline.com/straigh...odge-viper.html

EDIT #2: Found a slightly better source!

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/16/...next-gen-viper/

Dirty foreigners are the cause of literally all are carmaker's troubles.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

quote:

but look at that door and then imagine what happens when you want to get out and it's raining. Or you want to go to work but there's a foot of snow on the roof, because it still rains and snows in cities.

Okay? What would happen? If it was rain, I guess you'll get a little rain inside the cabin. If it's snow, it would just slide off the front, and you should clean off snow from the top of your car before driving in any case. The car's designers are British and have probably been wet their entire lives anyway.


Other than the weird door and 3 seats, this doesn't seem all that different from any number of Japanese Kei cars, some of which even have SUPERIOR IRS HANDLING just like this one. If there was a market for this kind of thing Mazda, Suzuki and Mitsubishi would already own it.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

frozenphil posted:

The Explorer's engine is being replaced with the new 305hp v6 that gets 31mpg highway. I'm not sure what Toyota is doing, but do people cross shop the 4runner and the Grand Cherokee?

Well the 4runner is another midsize SUV with some off-road credentials, although it is live axle/BOF while the GC is Uni-body with IRS (as is the new explorer). The current 4runner that came out in 2009 is available with a 170hp I4/4 speed auto or a 270hp 4.0l V6 with a 5 speed auto. The other one that I can think of is the Nissan Pathfinder, which has either a 270hp 4.0l V6 or a 310hp V8, both with a 5 speed auto. So I'd say other than this Ford Explorer that doesn't exist yet, the new GC compared quite favorably, although it would have been nice if they had been able to bring it out 2 years ago like they originally planned before going bankrupt.

Based on hat I've seen, the interior of the new GC is much better than it's competitors, and it looks much better on the outside too. You can also get fancy rock climbing air suspension (the Toyota has this as well), and the Hemi option is always nice. If I were in the market for such a vehicle I would buy it. The one weakness I can see is that the 5 speed Mercedes auto is getting a bit long in the tooth, although in this particular segment it's still pretty competitive. Chrysler is getting the new ZF 8 speed auto online (A new Chrysler automatic transmission with *8* speeds? Sign me the gently caress up. ) and a 6.4l SRT8 is in the wings too.

EDIT: The Chinese love all Grand Cherokees and this new one is going to sell like hotcakes over there. Unfortunately, MB still owns the Jeep assembly plant in China.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jun 30, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Speaking of which, the new SRT8.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straigh...okee-srt-8.html




The center exhaust has been removed to you can now tow stuff with it too. Jesus Christ I want to buy and drive the poo poo out of one of these God drat. It's a Cayenne/X5M for people who aren't terrible.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jun 30, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

quote:

A far as Chevy is concerend i dont even know what vehicle is supposed to be matching up with the GC because they really dont make a midsized SUV anymore. Just full sized and crossovers.

The closest thing GM had was the Hummer H3, and I'm pretty sure its engines were all poo poo.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

GM is bringing out a new brand in China. Should ave called it Pontiac.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Naky posted:

I look at the picture for that car and the first thing I notice is for all that money and all that styling, you still don't get xenon projectors in your headlights. Guess they had to save money somewhere with those rims.

LED headlights bro.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Naky posted:

This. It's not the bulbs I'm worried about, but talk about a technology prone to premature failure and on a safety device like headlights, you'd be hosed if they failed or only half worked and you actually had somewhere to go at night. Projectors will be around for a while longer yet, I think.

Toyota has been using them since 2007, you can even get them on a Prius now. Escalade has had them since 2009. Maybe the Audi ones are broken because they are Audis.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Seat Safety Switch posted:

It's a testament to how loving awful the Crosstour is that the Acura version of it (the ZDX) looks significantly better. With the buckteeth.

They still look like lumpen computer mice with an Outback poorly welded to the bottom.

The Crosstour is exactly the same as the Accord with the same double wishbone suspension and floorpan. The ZDX is actually a completely different truck based on the Pilot SUV floorplan with Macpherson strut front and trailing arm rear suspension.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

So the new Dodge Durango is unwrapped. (probably)3 rows of seats, based on the new Grand Cherokee/Mercedes GL floorplan, Pentastar V6 or 5.7l Hemi with VVT, RWD or AWD.


Click here for the full 808x402 image.


Chrysler has been hitting it out of the park with their new trucks. This really beats the hell out of basically anything on the market right now, since the new Explorer and GM Lambdas are all FWD. 3 row seating with a big pushrod V8 and RWD? Yes please.

quote:

September 2, 2010 , Auburn Hills, Mich. -
Buckle in and hold tight. Dodge is jumping back into the sport utility (SUV) segment with the 2011 Dodge Durango, a three-row vehicle spacious enough to carry the entire crew and performance-tuned to thrill anyone who truly loves to drive. Durango will lead the Dodge brand’s new product onslaught for 2011.

From its sleek exterior design to its modern, spacious interior, and intelligent, fuel-efficient and powerful powertrain options, the 2011 Dodge Durango is all-new from the inside out. And the changes are more than skin deep. The Durango’s stiffened unibody structure is engineered with the driving enthusiast in mind. The end result is a vehicle that delivers premium driving performance combined with SUV capability and crossover versatility.

The all-new Durango features two engine options: the standard fuel-efficient 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine and the available 5.7-liter HEMI engine with fuel-saving, Multi-displacement system (MDS) four-cylinder mode. Both engines feature variable-valve timing (VVT) and are available with all-wheel drive. In addition to great efficiency, the engines provide exceptional V-6 and V-8 towing capability with standard trailer sway control (V-8 - 7,400 lbs. and Best-in-class V-6 – 6,200 lbs.). When equipped with the HEMI® V-8, the all-new Durango can tow more weight than a 24-foot boat and trailer.

The Durango’s all-new interior is a surprise owners always deserved but never expected. Created by the same interior design studio that designed the much-lauded interior in the Ram trucks and the all-new Jeep Grand Cherokee, the Durango’s luxurious interior materials and thoughtful touches will make owners and their crews want to jump in, hunker down and thoroughly enjoy even the longest drive. Everywhere they touch, Durango passengers will feel materials that are refined and soft to the touch. Not only is it a pleasure to behold, it is extremely functional and gives owners a first-class experience, regardless of the trim level. Durango’s interior is also extremely comfortable for all three rows of passengers, and there’s a surprising amount of interior flexibility. With 22 different seating configurations, there’s plenty of room to store and move plenty of people and their gear.

The all-new 2011 Dodge Durango also offers consumers 45 safety and security features, including standard front seat-mounted side air bags and standard side-curtain air bags that cover passengers in all three rows, as well as all-new standard active head restraints. Electronic Stability Control also is standard. Other available safety and security technologies include Blind-spot Monitoring, Rear Cross Path detection, Forward Collision Warning, Adaptive Cruise Control and Keyless Enter-n’ Go.

The best part is, consumers will get all of the all-new Durango’s capability, functionality and flexibility and still get excellent fuel efficiency. In fact, drivers can go more than 500 miles, that’s the distance from San Diego to San Francisco or from Detroit to New York City, without having to stop for fuel.

Built at the Jefferson North Assembly Plant in Detroit, Mich., the new 2011 Dodge Durango arrives in showrooms in the fourth quarter of 2010.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

More upbeat news from Chrysler, apparently they've got a 9 speed automatic transmission in the pipeline that will come after the 8 speed comes out next year. Considering that they're still putting 4 speeds in Chrysler 300s, it would be a huge technical leap.

The best pic from that post:



Also the Viper's back for 2012.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

bidikyoopi posted:

It's an automatic, there would be no direct connection between your hand and the servos/hydraulics that actuate the gear shifts.

It's not real, just a lovely PS someone posted making fun of Chrysler.

Sorry, I got probated before I could make that clear.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Morphix posted:

what?


This market doesn't exist for good reason. Nobody wants to pay that kind of money and get half a car when they can get just as fast of a car that does more.

Are you just trolling? Do you even know what a Viper is?


quote:

Once you reach the 6 digit car pricing segment, I don't really think it matters if you throw an extra 100k onto the price tag so saying that it's cheaper is still not much of an argument either.


Which one of the cars you mentioned is a "6 digit car"? Do you realize 100k is 6 digits? What the christ are you babbling about?

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Sep 20, 2010

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Naky posted:

In Canada, a brand new Viper and the SLK are both six digit cars. What their prices are in the US or whatever I don't know and don't really care because honestly, gently caress US car pricing.

Are you confusing SLK with SL? The most expensive SLK, the SLK 55 AMG, starts at $85k. A viper is just a smidge below $100k, but you're suggesting there's no difference between $100k and $200k? Maybe some people just have $100k and want the fastest car they can buy?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Naky posted:

Starts at. Add the performance package, because you have to to make it anywhere near comparable, and you're at 94k CND. That's not including freight and taxes but I suppose that puts it at 'just a smidge below 100k' too?

Yes, of course every SLK on the road is the top of the line AMG model with every single option. Boy there sure are a lot of wealthy people living around me, with all the $85,000 Mustangs and $175,000 Boxsters putting around.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

-Blackadder- posted:

Some people think it's going to be best thing since sliced bread and other people think it's over hyped and you'll be able to buy one used for 5k in 5 years and that it shouldn't be counted on since "it's doing to Luxury what the Lexus LS400 did when it was first introduced." (I'm not even sure what that last bit means. Anyone?)


There's 2 cars called the Genesis, one is the little 2 door sports car, the other is a larger luxury sedan, not really the same size as the LS400, closer to the GS or Infiniti M35/56. They have the same name because initially there was some speculation that "Genesis" could be spun off as a new brand of upmarket cars.

quote:


I don't know much about it myself but when I first saw it I have to admit I was surprised by how nice looking it is.

So what do you goons think?



If you're talking about the coupe, it's basically another 240SX. It has sold quite poorly and will probably fail in the US market as the 240SX has failed - People who want these cars usually can't afford them, the people who can afford them all want BMWs and not Hyundais, and the Mustang is a better deal anyway. In markets outside of North America it will do well, since Mustangs and BMWs virtually everywhere else in the world are much more expensive than they are in North America.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Taaaaaaarb! posted:

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/09/2...-hybrid-system/

New Lotus Elite.

Ah yes, the Lotus SL65 AMG I've always wanted.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Taaaaaaarb! posted:

I was admittedly pumped about this car when I first saw an advert for it on TV. After a bit of research, I lost all interest in the car.

What I got from the hype was a turbocharged, 4cyl, AWD mini-SUV kinda like the VW Tiguan; I was also told of an available 6-speed manual. What I found was that the only transmission option available with the AWD models is that stupid loving CVT!

Luckily, I saw this thingy from Hyundai today:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/04/...iced-at-24-145/

The FWD version will be lighter and faster. What does this thing need AWD for?

EDIT: The Hyundai also only comes with an auto if you want the turbo engine.

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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Faerunner posted:

Are we still talking looks? Because a Honda Civic Si (I would dare go as far as saying even the sedan.) looks like 10x better than the Mustang for way cheaper.

They both start at $23k. There isn't a single thing you've posted in this thread that is even remotely correct.

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