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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

InitialDave posted:

They pull the motherfucking RS500 designation out of storage to go on a motherfucking FWD Focus. I don't give a poo poo how quick it is, that's sacrilege.
...
In fairness, they are building 500 of them, so at least they're keeping with the origins of the name, but it's like the stupid girlie-pants excuse for an Escort RS2000 they spat out in the '90s.

I don't think it's been confirmed anywhere if it's FWD or not, though maybe I'm mistaken since I don't F5 jalopnik all day. I sure as gently caress hope it's not, otherwise it really is pretty stupid to pull that name out when the only difference is just some extra power. As it is, they might be building just 500 of them, but this smells of the limited edition Mustangs more than it does of homologation requirements like it was for the previous RS500.

If the acceleration figures are to be trusted, the extra 125hp translate into a 0.5 second advantage over the Sierra, so I'm curious how that would work out in the real world. Also lol it's only 0.1 seconds faster (if that) than the Cossie Escort, though I'm using metric wikipedia numbers as it's impossible to find stock performances anywhere.

allonblack posted:

The RS used to be AWD but they scrapped that with the current generation.
[beaten like a fwd econobox with too much power]
Not all RS cars were AWD though, even the "proper" ones. The original Escorts as well as the early Sierras were RWD, IIRC. It doesn't bug me too much that they kept the original layout, just that it's FWD with 350hp.

Oh well, maybe there is going to be Focus RS Cosworth with 4-500hp and AWD.

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

ssh posted:

It's a brilliant move on their part, since nobody would ever admit to buying one.

I recall some guy here bragging about his.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The Juke is ugly, but I think it's ugly in a rather good way, kind of like the older Subarus were. I think I read the designer saying somewhere that it's supposed to look like a rally car. The idea is nice too, it's basically the non-boring econobox: small, cheap, turbo, AWD, and manual, although not having a manual with AWD does suck.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I couldn't care less about the mustang, but the Genesis is pretty drat ugly:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Holy poo poo :aaaaa:. I think there's really no excuse not to own a Ferrari now. Well except being poor, but I mean like a real, good excuse. It has four seats so you can drive your can give rides to your midget friends (or drive children to school), it has a hatch and folding rear seats so it's practical and you can carry all your stuff in it, and it even has AWD so you can use it all year round. I'll take two.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Linedance posted:

why, other than marketing, is this even a sedan? Seriously, look at the trunk picture in that article, why even bother with the 60/40 rear seat?

I think you answered your own question here. From what I understand about the US market, the thinking goes like this:
"Hatchbacks are for poor people!"
*Buys new sedan for $10k, is smug*

Maybe it's just the photos, but it looks kind of nasty inside.

Throatwarbler posted:

Who cares about lovely kit cars.

The new Miata CX-5 crossover is almost ready.

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/04/29/mazda-cx-5-caught-with-less-camo/

Whoa, I actually got scared for a moment they were going to pull off something like this:

but based on the Miata (know as MX-5 everywhere).

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

anonumos posted:

The physics of this scene are impossible even by movie standards. WTF were they thinking?

They probably weren't, which is why the movie owns. Go watch it.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Holy crap! Reminds me of the first McDonalds opening in Moscow back in 1990.



At least in that case you could understand why people would want to see something so alien to them. I've heard that In-n-out is good, but wtf is wrong with people.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Payndz posted:

Not quite as hideous as the current 1-Series, and at least they got rid of the curved door bottoms that make the sills look as though they're sagging, but still rather blecch. It's a small car, so why do they cram so many crimps and swooshes into the metalwork? It just looks like it's trying too hard.

Still, at least it's not actively repulsive like the X1. (Take 1-Series design, stretch by 30% on vertical axis, break for lunch.)

Wow, I think this is actually way worse than the current 1-series. I'll agree about the sagging door, but other than that, this looks worse in every way from the retarded grille/headlights to the overdone hood. Also, while the X1 is pretty bad, I think it's just generic little SUV-looking and not at all as offensive as this new piece of poo poo. Compare and contrast:



mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

travisray2004 posted:

I think they heard the critics say that the e60 was a little too much and went the polar opposite direction with completely boring for the F10.

E; Actually, I think that if they didn't follow the trend of upsizing models and that it wasn't almost the size of past 7-series and those grills it wouldn't have been half bad.

I like the E60 as well, not as much as E39 but still. In fact, I think most of Bangle's designs hold up well, despite all the criticism they got at the time. A few elements are pretty bad, admittedly, like the trunks on the E65 and especially E63, but overall I think they're quite distinctive without being offensively ugly. BMW's new direction is just all over the place and not really attractive for me.

Slothophile posted:

If you're gonna compare at least use the hatch not the saloon, since that's what this new one is.

I was having trouble finding the hatch shot from a similar angle, so just imagine it having an extra door or something ;)

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

ehnus posted:

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To be fair, it was a response to what was perceived to be a conspiracy against the world order:

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I dunno, it's kind of ugly. How is it supposed to be better than the Corsa that GM already has?

Here's the Sonic's cluster, if anyone is still looking for it:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
It actually looks very nice to me, though a hatch version would probably have better proportions. Good job Chrysler and whoever was responsible for pushing this through.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
What's wrong with three digit speeds? :D

Anyway, just saw the new A-Class:


Holy poo poo, that's just so much better than the old one, it's amazing. It's probably still FWD but other than that I think it looks great.

A few friends and I are going to Geneva later this week, so maybe I'll get a closer look at it (do they let people touch/sit in them?). You can expect a bunch of photos as well of anything that won't be covered to death by then.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

dissss posted:

You guys actually think that looks good? Looks like a truck has backed into it to me.

I don't think it looks, say, Afla 159 level good, but still quite nice for the class and a big improvement over the previous A-class:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Maybe it was the MX-5 that AG and his mom test drove? :v:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I'd probably prefer more horizontal headlights line on the original:



But other than that, I'd say it looks great, inside and out. Can't really argue with a 650HP NA engine, reduced weight, and improved everything else.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
A friend of mine has the C-Class with the flip-up screen, and it can be folded back if you don't need it. This is great for long night time trips, otherwise I thought it was just too bright and distracting even in the night mode. While the navigation continues talking to you, there are a few things you couldn't do with the screen folded, like tuning to the next radio station (as opposed to choosing presets), entering navigation destinations, and some other stuff. The keypad was actually nice for entering addresses as it works just like a phone keypad, though it's probably too awkward for the driver to use.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The 1.6l 180hp Ecoboost is supposed to get like 47mpg by the EU numbers, but the ST has a shitload more power so who knows... roughly I'd go with CornHolio's estimate, it could probably get pretty good mileage when staying out of boost.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Throatwarbler posted:

So I was talking about how Mazda is probably hosed and they need to find someone to own/partner with before the strong yen kills them, and I suggested that Chrysler/FIAT was the ideal partner.

Well this just loving happened.


A RWD Alfa, made in Japan. :staredog:

EDIT: Wrap it up BRZailures.

Well. One one hand, this is pretty awesome, but on the other hand, that's going to postpone the next gen Miata by four years, making the NC 10-11 years old by the time the NDs start rolling out. I suppose they could just pull another NB to smooth things out a bit.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I'm not fully onboard with MazDodge; you don't just connect two first haves, see Toyo|baru for example. I think Dodzda or Doda for short would be much better.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
^^^
See below!

Cream_Filling posted:

Dunno, the super-tall part of a minivan is pretty hard to balance with the sporty part. That road's been paved mostly with disappointment, it seems:


I'd settle for a midsized 3 row or 2.5 row (jump seats) station wagon.

Good news!



or

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Keyser S0ze posted:

I still have a weird theory that Toyota isn't as dependable as the surveys say as every friend-owned Toyota I drive has all kinds of weird poo poo happening and I am all "do you not notice the steering wheel is crooked, the brakes are grabbing, there is a weird clunk coming from somewhere and that light is on for no reason?" and their response would be "huh?" Same with Honda. Granted, the things aren't dying on the side of the road but they are not bulletproof.

Whereas your average BMW nerd is taking that thing in at even the slightest squeak, furiously demanding to speak to the manager, and also requesting a new M5 loaner during any oil changes.

There's a lot of bullshit flying around w.r.t. the reliability of various brands. The only way to really tell is by working off some solid data, and only the manufacturers have that from the warranty work performed. Everything else is reputation, anecdotes, voices of a few pissed off owners, self fulfilling prophecies, and at best, self-reported surveys. In other words, information of very questionable usefulness.

Sir Tonk posted:

So does anyone think that Toyota, or Honda for that matter, will ever lose their status as the most dependable things ever built? For all the massive recalls and issues with the Prius, it doesn't seem to have hurt Toyota very much.
...

Sure, it will just take a while.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

MrChips posted:

I drove a basically brand new '11 Mazda3 2.0 for a month last year while my BMW was in the body shop. I was shocked at how bad the fuel economy was - I got something just short of 10L/100 km in it (which is about 24 mpg) in mostly highway driving.

The Miata's pretty bad too. I mean it's not too terrible when you think of it as a :rice: sportscar :rice: but really for a very light car with little power it's not very good at all.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I have to say that the new 'Vette looks way better than in the leaked photos. That said, the rear end with its gray plastic, quad pipes and a bunch of random shapes still looks like poo poo. The Viper's rear end, even with the cheesy CF part, is just so much cleaner and nicer to look at.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

kimbo305 posted:

I like the warpaint around the tail lights. Reminds me very strongly of those HSV Commodores' front ends.

That's not (just) paint:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Yeah, Alfa has a lot of heritage, but the brand got diluted into pointlessness with all the mediocre FWD rebadges. Thankfully Marchionne seems to know what's up, because Alfa and Mazda are also already working on the Alda Malfa Mazda-Romeo roaster as a next-gen Miata, and if they aren't stupid, they'll also consider building it as a coupe to cash in on the Toyobaru hype. IMO, if they have that and replace the 159 with a solid RWD+V6 sedan/wagon/coupe, they'd have a great sporty lineup with a few "my first Alfa" FWD cars to target the Mini demographics. Rebootig a brand like that isn't trivial (see Mercury, Lincoln), but it seems that they have the right idea.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Spatule posted:

It's significantly longer than the one it replaces, as usual... Some of use live in cities where a few cm can make the difference between parking close to home or a mile away.
Guess I'll replace mine with a MPV in a few years if all else fails.

Makes me wonder how gigantic the next Superb will be.

As per this same trend, you can expect the Fabia to grow into Octavia's previous size with the next refresh.

The Škodas are of course all solid cars nowadays, but I just can never muster any sort of excitement or desire for them. It's like I'd need to go "I'd like a bit more than 4.5m of car, do you have anything?" to end up with one. Maybe if they came up with a RWD two-seater... :D

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Cream_Filling posted:

I'm pretty sure there's a law against cars without raked beltlines or character lines now. I seriously can't think of more than like 2.

But yeah, it might not look as good IRL when not posed at the exact angle where everything looks level. Though that distance might be exaggerated because it looks like the front fender is lower than the actual top of the hood.

Coincidentally enough, the CST Coupe is one of the worst cases of this that I've seen:



And this might be a rather generous angle.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

blk posted:

Oh good, another BMW designed exclusively for the douche market:

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/04/bmw-x4-concept-images-leak-ahead-of-shanghai-debut/





In twenty years we'll be looking back at how cool the X4 was!

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Speaking of BMW, the 4-series photos are out. Not sure how it relates to the thread title, but compare and contrast yourself:





http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/14/2014-bmw-4-series-coupe-images-leak-out/

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
That's just the coupe though.

Anyway, did everyone really get so used to the new look from the sedan that the fender vent is the most contented feature? I'm still not quite sold on everything A-pillar forward.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Combing back to the Mazda 3 for a moment, I was completely on board with the new design until I saw this:

:gonk:

I keep hearing all this stuff about high waistlines and all that but didn't realize the mainstream hatchbacks were approaching Countach level of outward visibility nowadays. I might never get used to something that doesn't look like this :arghfist::corsair:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Well, that too, somewhat, but at least the colors can be changed. Not so much with the tiny slit windows, but then again if it were my car I wouldn't be riding in the back so I shouldn't get so worked up over it.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Powershift posted:

I really don't think it's possible to get a base model impala to an order of magnitude greater than 140mph. It took a lot of work, and the newer ones don't even let you get past the governor by cycling the car off and back on once you hit it.
I bet it could get an order of magnitude faster with a JATO rocket strapped to the roof.

Powershift posted:

I rented a Mitsubishi outlander in ukraine, it was 2400 bucks for 2 weeks and the cocksucking thing didn't even have cruise control :argh: On the plus side though it was a 5 speed stick and awd so it was a little fun.
I rented 2 corollas in australia, one brand new one probably 10 years old, the newer one auto but the older one stick, and both had this annoying issue where when you tried to put the signal light on, the fuckin windshield wipers started going.
I've never even had the option of renting a stick shift anything in canada. even the mustangs/camaros the rental companies get are autos.

Ukraine is loving horrible for rentals. Just last year I paid like $90/day for a lovely Chevy (aka. locally made Daewoo) which is like 3 times as much as a random shitbox in the rest of Europe, and that was one of the cheapest ones I could find. I guess it's not too surprising considering there's about a 100% chance of theft or horrible accident happening, so they need to cover their replacement costs.

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jul 23, 2013

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Well, I did redline a rental Skoda Octavia on the autobahn on my last trip but but otherwise treated it as well as my own car. I suppose you can also do clutch dump launches, not slow down for speed bumps, and generally just not care if you blow up the engine. In my experience the cars were usually in pretty decent condition, but they all seem to have 10-30k km which is like 1/10 of what my cars have while also not showing much signs of abuse.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Don't worry, you could probably still drive yourself on the retirement home's private property.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I've never been in the back of a 911, but aren't the seats in the coupe more usable though?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
That's not a wagon though :colbert:

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Can this resurgence of small RWD sportscars force Mazda to get their asses moving on a new RX car? One can only hope.

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