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Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

Hedrigall posted:

Why on earth hasnt this idea caught on in UK or US?
Probably because they look like poo poo. Who wants bookshelves full of identically-spined and -presented books?

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Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
This forum has terrible taste but here goes nothing.

I'm on a cross-country bicycle trip and would appreciate recommendations for actual good books relevant to the places I'm riding through. For example, so far I have read:
  • Bill Bryson's The Lost Continent (before the trip)
  • Wallace Stegner's Angle of Repose (through the Columbia River Gorge, Idaho, and parts of Montana)
  • Norman Maclean's A River Runs Through It and Other Stories (along the Blackfoot River itself and other parts of Montana)
  • John Fire's Lame Deer, Seeker of Visions (through the Indian reservations of South Dakota, including Pine Ridge)
And right now I'm blazing through On the Road. I am currently in Omaha and on my way through Des Moines, Kansas City, St. Louis, Nashville, Atlanta, then northeast through Richmond, DC, Philadelphia, New York, and finally Boston. Since you guys can't seem to read anything not in bold, let me just ask,

What literature do you recommend for going through those parts of America?

Keep your lovely science fiction, fantasy, airport books, milporn lit and all similar recommendations to your goddamn self, you worthless loving teenagers. I swear to Christ I will ride to your house and stab you with my spare spokes if you even think about posting that poo poo at me. I will tear your limbs off and beat you with them. I will kick a hole in your torso with my ironwoon legs. I will use your entrails as handlebar streamers. Why is this forum so obsessed with bad literature. It's like you are actually retarded, unable to read anything without a spaceship or elf babe on the cover, unable to think about words and sentences and paragraphs and narratives beyond "That was a cool fight/sex scene." God drat every single one of you.

(Also, I've read a ton of Mark Twain, which is what I'd recommend first to someone asking me this question, so don't bother recommending him. Thanks in advance!)

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Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

post-feminist rimjob posted:

This may not be exactly what you're looking for, but have you tried A Song of Fire and Ice by George R. R. Martin?
I'll pick that up and give it a shot. Thanks gentle goon.

Zoccoli posted:

I can think of nothing more appropriate for a long bike trip than Up In The Air by Walter Kim.
This too. Thank you!

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

therattle posted:

Mason & Dixon by Thomas Pynchon for your Pennsylvania portions.

Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. (author forgotten).
The Pynchon book looks promising. Thanks for the suggestion.

Anamnesis posted:

A bit on the older side (1900), and it deals with many places you have not listed: you could try Sister Carrie by Theodore Dreiser. A sizable amount of the 'drama' happens in NY. It just popped into my mind, thought I'd suggest it if you haven't found anything else.
I appreciate the recommendation. I'll look into it as I get closer to New York.

I think a requirement to be a mod of a book forum is to actually enjoy reading books that aren't directed solely at teenagers or assigned by a teacher, but maybe that's crazy!

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
Nearing St. Louis, I stopped in Hannibal, Missouri, which avid readers will recognize as the hometown of Mark Twain himself. A goodly amount of business in Hannibal is Twain-related; the downtown area has several preserved and renovated buildings from his era, and Twain's mustached and white-suited image is everywhere. I lunched in a dinette, looked on by a poster on the wall where Twain sat, proper and cool; underneath him a quotation, attributed to him, admonished, The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them, and I thought to myself, Yes, Yes, This is true.

Anyway, thank you for the recommendations, Book Barn denizens.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
Pale Fire.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
Alternatively, if you are less inclined to extreme anal-retentiveness, read what you feel like reading when you feel like reading it. Sometimes I want a break from fiction so guess what I do! I read a non-fiction book! It works the other around too. Try it out maybe.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
If you need a desk grammar reference, Rules for Writers will likely cover most of what you're looking for. I have the fourth edition but apparently there are now six. It's not as prescriptive as some other grammars I've used, which I like.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

Jive One posted:

This probably has a simple explanation, buy why does Edgar Allan Poe use only the first letter of certain proper nouns, excluding the rest with a dash? For example...

I've noticed this in many of his other short stories as well but only with minor/referenced characters. Do other writers do this and is there any particular reason or is it just a simple shortcut?

Apart from whether or not obviously enigmatic scribal practices actually conceal anything, they certainly lend a sense of veracity to a piece of fiction. When Camus opens The Plague with, "The unusual events described in this chronicle occurred in 194- at Oran," the novel takes on a sly air, making no effort to hide its concealment of identifying data. Camus even uses the word chronicle instead of novel, which I'd argue heightens the sense of a reporter respecting source anonymity, while publishing the truth.

Ploys of verisimilitude in fiction go back a long way. In Moll Flanders (1722), Defoe begins the novel by having Flanders state:

quote:

The author is here supposed to be writing her own history, and in the very beginning of her account she gives the reasons why she thinks fit to conceal her true name, after which there is no occasion to say any more about that.
Or you can go back even further, to 1688 and Aphra Behn's Oronooko, which begins,

quote:

I do not pretend, in giving you the history of this Royal Slave, to entertain my reader with adventures of a feigned hero, whose life and fortunes fancy may manage at the poet's pleasure; nor in relating the truth, design to adorn it with any accidents but such as arrived in earnest to him: and it shall come simply into the world, recommended by its own proper merits and natural intrigues; there being enough of reality to support it, and to render it diverting, without the addition of invention.
You gotta admit that's pretty funny. The texts come right out and say, "We're gonna rap some truth here, which is so obviously truth that we're not gonna entertain the notion that it's not, in fact it's so true that it's not even supposed to be funny or entertaining, so sit back and listen up."

Or consider the most famous piece of fiction, the Bible,

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

polyfractal posted:

Sorry, I wasn't clear in my question.

Imagine a hypothetical site that employs a limited, invite-only pool of people that read books (emphasis on eBooks/Indie/self-pub) and write reviews on those books. What kind of compensation would make it worth your time to participate in a site such as this?

Literally no amount of money would convince me to do this.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

polyfractal posted:

Because of the indie/self-pub or the principle of receiving money for reviews?
Because of this:

quote:

most self-published ebooks are garbage.
Except "most" is selling it short.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

barkingclam posted:

It's really cool the book of the month club is literally about books that nobody wants to read. What's October's category? In-Flight Magazines?

Furniture assembly instructions, actually. We'll be choosing from Ikea, Pier 1, Target, and WalMart. You don't have to be a jerk about it. :rolleyes:

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
I teach high school English and I'm having my students read the Inferno this spring. We're using Durling's translation, which is the best one in my opinion. It's easy to read and the notes are great.

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Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

Encryptic posted:

A while back, I snagged a copy of the original Longfellow translation that has all the awesome woodcuts done by Gustav Dore in it along with notes. How well-regarded is that translation compared to the others out there? I've read a little bit of it so far but I definitely have zippo familiarity with Latin so I have no idea how much it loses in Longfellow's version.


Keep it for the woodcuts, read a modern translation, imo. Longfellow is wordy and his syntax is tortured because he desperately wished he were European. Basically he overtranslated the text (and this comes from an Italian speaker). The Durling best keeps the sense of vulgate.

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