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The USN has a couple O-2As that they ripped the #1 engines off of, filled the nose with drone analogue sensors and comm gear, and they use them to fill in for drones in exercises and experiments. They call em Pelicans. https://youtu.be/0rlGaTESG1Q
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F4FFFFFF pelican
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MrYenko posted:The USN has a couple O-2As that they ripped the #1 engines off of, filled the nose with drone analogue sensors and comm gear, and they use them to fill in for drones in exercises and experiments. They call em Pelicans. Training asset, Not used in COIN
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This is where I consider posting more piston aircraft used for COIN, but why bother, because you’ll discount allies/partners to the US as not counting or say Africa doesn’t count or ignore twin-engines pistons.
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mlmp08 posted:This is where I consider posting more piston aircraft used for COIN, but why bother, because you’ll discount allies/partners to the US as not counting or say Africa doesn’t count or ignore twin-engines pistons.
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Pretty sure many of the planes that fall under those parameters are flown by squirrels and dont show up in public sources. 
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MRC48B posted:Pretty sure many of the planes that fall under those parameters are flown by squirrels and dont show up in public sources. This and more openly by partner nations, directly supported by big-state benefactors.
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mlmp08 posted:This and more openly by partner nations, directly supported by big-state benefactors. He was replying to this: Godholio posted:First off, manned ISR doesn't bottom out there. We've used Cessna 150s/210s for all kinds of poo poo, including in recent years. They're great modular platforms and dirt cheap to obtain and operate. For long-term projects you're more correct, but that's because we already had the drone systems in place to reduce the need for tiny manned platforms. The limiting factor has been sensor size, not people. Yes, for many things an unmanned platform is preferable; but personally I think you're overstating the impact of the disadvantages, particularly in a "we need a jack of all trades platform for everything" era. Flexibility is useful. If we could fund dedicated platforms for mission sets, then hell yeah. Even the AF would want more drones. Really, he was replying to the first two sentences as a stand-alone strawman, because the rest of the paragraph walks back the initial claim significantly.
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All COIN is cool. All COIN is good.  COIN
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bring back the A-26
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Man those pusherprop models in Crimson Skies were neat :P
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Seeing as Flight Simulator is coming back, i'm interested in knowing people's opinions on stick vs yoke for controls?
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What in particular are you thinking? The market is vast, from a basic $20 stick to mid/high $hundreds$ HOTAS to $4-figure home cockpits where the controls that are now available are amazing compared to just 10 years ago. I have a Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS that I quite like, but it's really for high end military sims. The stick I pick up and play with 95% of the time is an old, 90s MS Sidewinder Precision Pro with a built in twist rudder and throttle in the base. Thing is a tank and has never let me down since I've owned it.... probably 1998? I also have a CH Yoke setup and rudder pedals but they are almost never used... although with FS coming out I may break them out again. My advice would be to pick up a stick with a rudder and throttle in the base before dropping real coin. I think you might have fun finding anything in stock right now, MSFS has reportedly made a bit of a shopping frenzy and online shortage for a ton of stuff.
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My current setup: For HOTAS: CH combat stick + throttle from Saitek X55 For Yoke: CH Yoke + a pair of Saitek throttle quads Both setups use CH pedals.
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Consider what you want out of the sim experience before spending money. The thrustmaster HOTAS X (or whatever the cheap one is called) is like $50 and will do everything *okay*, which is a great way to get started. If your interest in flight simming is all about stick and rudder work and miljets and stuff that will probably point you down one path of gear with a more expensive stick. If you want to learn GA VFR stuff to transfer to real life you'd probably be better off with a yoke setup. If you're more interested in navigating the NAS and doing instrument approaches and poo poo the vast majority of your control inputs will be knob adjustments and you may be more interested in adding radio panels or an ipad with foreflight than a more expensive stick.
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Ambihelical Hexnut posted:If you want to learn GA VFR stuff to transfer to real life you'd probably be better off with a yoke setup. If you're more interested in navigating the NAS and doing instrument approaches and poo poo the vast majority of your control inputs will be knob adjustments and you may be more interested in adding radio panels or an ipad with foreflight than a more expensive stick. I mean, if you really like sticks theres plenty of GA aircraft out there now to go with: 
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Those are just yokes that someone sawed in half.
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Straddle the center console, each hand on a half-yoke.
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Admittedly I've never done GA flying but my impression is that most student pilots are still yokin' it up in an old cessna. mlmp08 posted:Straddle the center console, each hand on a half-yoke. I amend my recommendations; this is option #1. [edit] Work the throttle with your cheeks.
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mlmp08 posted:Straddle the center console, each hand on a half-yoke. I actually used to fly like that on long cross countries in a 172. I'm a big guy, so I'd shift more to the center, one foot left side left rudder, one foot right side right rudder. Just cruisin'.
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Ambihelical Hexnut posted:
I now understand the origin of the phrase, "Balls to the Wall"
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https://twitter.com/GretchenWenner/status/1291503106350444546 The dreaded "gear down" landing. Glad nobody was hurt. 
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I'm a huge whore for brands so might get the Airbus one
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LibCrusher posted:Show me evidence of a single engine piston used in any of our coin efforts in the past decade and I’ll concede We were using AC-208 Caravans prior to forcing them on Iraq. There were others with MX15 and similar pods slung underneath on short term contracts. Edit: My argument was never that hodgepodge bandaid COTS stuff is the answer, just that "manned is bad" is also not the answer. Edit2: I'll admit that I thought those were 210s or similar, not Caravans. Godholio fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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Godholio posted:There were others with MX15 and similar pods slung underneath on short term contracts. Incidentally "wescam" is a surprisingly honest name for a defense contractor.
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LibCrusher posted:Training asset, Not used in COIN Apparently the USAF resurrected a couple of OV-10 Broncos and have been using them in Syria. According to the bronco Wikipedia page anyway.
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Broncos rocking APKWS were revived, yes. A case of weapons tech making older airframes cost-effective again. It was a stop-gap and/or test but real.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:https://twitter.com/GretchenWenner/status/1291503106350444546 Should have hired a charter. Then every landing can be a Wheels UP! landing.
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mlmp08 posted:Broncos rocking APKWS were revived, yes. A case of weapons tech making older airframes cost-effective again. As nice as it is to see an NAA Columbus Division product "revived", everytime I hear about that I just think MANPADS
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Godholio posted:We were using AC-208 Caravans prior to forcing them on Iraq. There were others with MX15 and similar pods slung underneath on short term contracts. standard.deviant fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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standard.deviant posted:"PT6, engine(s), IMINT system, radios." Done: PT-6, has an engine, and radios. Plenty of room for any other systems the contract calls for.
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wzm posted:Done: PT-6, has an engine, and radios. Plenty of room for any other systems the contract calls for.
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standard.deviant posted:Turbine engine again. PT6 even, which was part of the acquisitions joke that the requirement for light ISR should just have been "PT6 engine(s), IMINT system, radios." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-3 I’m sure you could cram a PT6A in there instead.
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Well it wasn't on fire so that's one good thing I guess. Airframe is a total write off though
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hobbesmaster posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-3 In all senses, yes  That's one of the airplanes on my bucket list of Things to Fly.
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