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Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



slidebite posted:

One of my flight choices back when I did the LH 744 flight was BA. I read their business class reviews on their "ying-yang" style seats and they seemed to be almost universally condemned. That said, it can't be BAD and I think many of the contributors on the frequent flyer forums are divas and basically the aircraft equivalent of DSLreports posters.

They're 'ok' but still far and away better than regular economy seats obviously. When not being served there's a divider that goes up between the seats so it's not like you have to be staring at the other person or whatever. The best business class I've flown on was an AA 787. Basically a private booth type thing that's mostly enclosed and a lot more comfortable than some others I've been on. Worst is Air India's. They have two planes that fly between Chicago and Delhi and one of them is much older than the other. The older one is absolutely terrible. A coworker of mine got a seat that had broken controls and wouldn't recline at all. Not much fun on a 14-16 hour flight. Also their food is terrible compared to the others that I've flown on.

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marumaru
May 20, 2013




It's 11AM and I hadn't felt poor yet today. Thanks.

Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018

How is the air here moving, is it being pushed away from where the cloud is?
https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/status/1141535119318179840

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Yes the MH370 article was awesome. Thanks for linking it.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Charlatan Eschaton posted:

How is the air here moving, is it being pushed away from where the cloud is?
https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/status/1141535119318179840


Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

The daily beast is Rebutting the Atlantic Story.

Question: do we know about the depressurization/re-pressurization?

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Thunder head :quagmire:

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

Charlatan Eschaton posted:

How is the air here moving, is it being pushed away from where the cloud is?
https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/status/1141535119318179840

I've heard you can get some pretty nasty hail flying near the hammerhead like that. Wonder what type/model that aircraft is.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

Wiper arm + the VGs on the nose gotta be from a 737.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Nebakenezzer posted:

The daily beast is Rebutting the Atlantic Story.

Question: do we know about the depressurization/re-pressurization?

Not for sure, but there is circumstantial evidence of electric power bring switched off, then on again. The theory might be wrong, but this rebuttal is just rambling nonsense.


quote:

This is nonsense, and Langewiesche should have known so, since he recounts the importance of the sole source of physical evidence that eventually came to light, when more than a score of pieces of debris from the 777 washed up on beaches in the western Indian Ocean.

One of the largest pieces, an outboard wing flap, was found on Pemba Island off the coast of Tanzania, in June 2016. This was highly significant to investigators because this flap could only be activated for takeoff or landing by command of the pilot. It could not be independently moved by the autopilot.

After several weeks of detailed scrutiny, investigators concluded that the flap had not been deployed, and therefore the jet had plunged into the ocean once its fuel was exhausted without any human intervention.

Langewiesche, suggesting the opposite, adds his own dramatic color by saying “The airplane disintegrated into confetti when it hit the water.”

That idea is absolutely confounded by the solidity of the pieces of debris that survived. The main and heaviest parts of the jet, the engines and the fuselage, would have been shattered on impact, but never shredded like confetti. Confetti better describes Langewiesche’s detective work.

:downsrim:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I just got asked on a Facebook group if an F-14 counts as a 'Fixed Wing' aircraft. Cheeky fucker!

Anyway have this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMyC2urCl_4

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

Did not know footage of that existed, thanks.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Humphreys posted:

I just got asked on a Facebook group if an F-14 counts as a 'Fixed Wing' aircraft. Cheeky fucker!

Well, the only other kind of winged aircraft is a rotary wing aircraft, so obviously it's a...

...hmm.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Variable geometry wing.

Now commence arguing whether slats and such count as variable geometry. And whether it matters if leading edge or trailing edge. And if it matters if manual or automatic. And if it matters whether analog or digital.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

mlmp08 posted:

Variable geometry wing.

Now commence arguing whether slats and such count as variable geometry. And whether it matters if leading edge or trailing edge. And if it matters if manual or automatic. And if it matters whether analog or digital.

An F-14 has variable sweep, which is a subset of variable geometry. Other subsets include variable camber and incidence. I guess flaps change the effective camber, but do they really change the geometry of the wing? I would say no. They are part of the wing system, but the separate from the airfoil structure. A true variable camber wing could perhaps make do without flaps, or to put it on its head, you can make do without a variable camber wing be having a non-variable wing with flaps/slats.

"Commence arguing" was meant literally, right??

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Ola posted:

An F-14 has variable sweep, which is a subset of variable geometry. Other subsets include variable camber and incidence. I guess flaps change the effective camber, but do they really change the geometry of the wing? I would say no. They are part of the wing system, but the separate from the airfoil structure. A true variable camber wing could perhaps make do without flaps, or to put it on its head, you can make do without a variable camber wing be having a non-variable wing with flaps/slats.

"Commence arguing" was meant literally, right??

You can use the flaps to make the wing variable camber.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Sagebrush posted:

Well, the only other kind of winged aircraft is a rotary wing aircraft, so obviously it's a...

...hmm.

*heads out to sea in a flat spin*

Also, don't take naps when flying Air Canada:

A Travel Nightmare: Waking Up Cold And Alone In A Darkened Plane

quote:

Ever had a nightmare in which you wake up at night, alone, strapped in a seat in a completely dark and freezing cold room with no means to contact anyone?

That's the story Air Canada passenger Tiffani Adams told about what was supposed to be a simple 90-minute flight from Quebec City to Toronto Pearson International Airport earlier this month.

Her account was posted on the airline's Facebook page by her friend Deanna Noel-Dale.

Adams, who has since been experiencing anxiety and insomnia, wrote that she fell asleep in a row of seats on a nearly empty flight, and by the time she woke up the plane had arrived at its destination and had been parked away from the nearest terminal.

Her cellphone battery was depleted, therefore useless, and there was no power on the plane to recharge it.

No one else was on the pitch-black plane.

Adams made her way to the cockpit, where she eventually found a flashlight. The light helped her figure out how to open the main exit door. But there was no gangway, so she was staring at what she said was a 40 to 50 foot drop to the ground, hardly an attractive means of escape.

She focused the flashlight on the plane's exterior, hoping that the reflection might catch someone's attention. In time, the driver of a luggage cart came to her rescue.

Adams said Air Canada representatives offered her a ride home and then called her twice to apologize and say they've launched an investigation into how she was missed by the plane's crew when everyone else got off the flight in Toronto.

She says she's still recovering. "I haven't got much sleep since the reoccurring night terrors and waking up anxious and afraid I'm alone locked up someplace dark," she wrote.

A representative for Air Canada confirmed Adams' account, adding they "remain in contact with her."

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
Every flight sim nerd’s fantasy. Okay let’s see... 1. BAT SW ON!

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Also, don't take naps when flying Air Canada:

So, inflate the evacuation slide?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Craptacular posted:

So, inflate the evacuation slide?

One of my friends was on a flight where the nose-wheel collapsed, they slid down the runway, fire crew responded, but there was no fire.

The crew explicitly ensured no one inflated the evacuation slides. Their reasoning was that there was no danger of fire and someone was possibly going to suffer a sprain or other minor injury on the slide if the didn't just wait for a riser.

He was pretty bummed out about that.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

mlmp08 posted:

One of my friends was on a flight where the nose-wheel collapsed, they slid down the runway, fire crew responded, but there was no fire.

The crew explicitly ensured no one inflated the evacuation slides. Their reasoning was that there was no danger of fire and someone was possibly going to suffer a sprain or other minor injury on the slide if the didn't just wait for a riser.

He was pretty bummed out about that.

I’ve gone down the emergency slides in a controlled environment, they suck. I wouldn’t want to go down one with a mass of typical panicky airline passengers.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy



They went that way!

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:


quote:

Adams made her way to the cockpit, where she eventually found a flashlight. The light helped her figure out how to open the main exit door. But there was no gangway, so she was staring at what she said was a 40 to 50 foot drop to the ground, hardly an attractive means of escape

In other news, Air Canada recently stunned the aviation world with a surprise purchase of 767s with the rare option of the main door located at the top of the rudder. Air Canada says the new aircraft will only be used on short haul domestic flights.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Craptacular posted:

So, inflate the evacuation slide?

Nah, gotta figure out how to get the APU running to get some cabin heat!

standard.deviant
May 17, 2012

Globally Indigent

mlmp08 posted:

One of my friends was on a flight where the nose-wheel collapsed, they slid down the runway, fire crew responded, but there was no fire.

The crew explicitly ensured no one inflated the evacuation slides. Their reasoning was that there was no danger of fire and someone was possibly going to suffer a sprain or other minor injury on the slide if the didn't just wait for a riser.

He was pretty bummed out about that.
Also it costs like $20k if you pop the slides so there’s that too.

karoshi
Nov 4, 2008

"Can somebody mspaint eyes on the steaming packages? TIA" yeah well fuck you too buddy, this is the best you're gonna get. Is this even "work-safe"? Let's find out!

sth sth customer retention

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Do you get airmiles when abducted by the airline?

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Good thing it didn’t happen in the US on a United flight. They probably would have stormed the plane with military equipment and “neutralized” the “hijacker”

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Wingnut Ninja posted:

*heads out to sea in a flat spin*

Also, don't take naps when flying Air Canada:

A Travel Nightmare: Waking Up Cold And Alone In A Darkened Plane

This kind of story is the type of thing that makes me despair for humanity. To go to the news with something like this? I fell asleep on the train once and had to find and ask a conductor if it could stop at the next station and let me off. It was embarrassing, and I had an "oh poo poo where am I and where am I going" moment when I woke up, but I didn't go tell the news about it, and I certainly didn't suffer anxiety and night terrors from loving FALLING ASLEEP AND WAKING UP IN THE DARK! Jesus Christ. I get why PR is bending over backwards to make sure she's feeling ok so she doesn't sue, that's a whole other what's wrong with this world discussion though. But how is this anything but the personally embarrassing story of "oops I fell asleep when I shouldn't have, and got in a minor predicament because of it". A grown rear end-adult having night terrors and anxiety because they fell asleep on public transport and woke up in the dark not sure exactly where they were. :lol:

Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jun 23, 2019

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
It's a bigger deal than that. The plane was not hooked up to a gate so she had no way off, and if she hasn't gotten lucky and had someone notice her leaning out the door with the flashlight, she could have been stranded overnight or even multiple days. Now let's also imagine it was winter in Canada, and you see the problem. Add to that the stress of a possible misunderstanding in our very rational post-9/11 world over why she had accessed an unauthorized area and tampered with equipment...

Full Collapse
Dec 4, 2002

Finger Prince posted:

This kind of story is the type of thing that makes me despair for humanity. To go to the news with something like this? I fell asleep on the train once and had to find and ask a conductor if it could stop at the next station and let me off. It was embarrassing, and I had an "oh poo poo where am I and where am I going" moment when I woke up, but I didn't go tell the news about it, and I certainly didn't suffer anxiety and night terrors from loving FALLING ASLEEP AND WAKING UP IN THE DARK! Jesus Christ. I get why PR is bending over backwards to make sure she's feeling ok so she doesn't sue, that's a whole other what's wrong with this world discussion though. But how is this anything but the personally embarrassing story of "oops I fell asleep when I shouldn't have, and got in a minor predicament because of it". A grown rear end-adult having night terrors and anxiety because they fell asleep on public transport and woke up in the dark not sure exactly where they were. :roflolmao:

And I thought I was an rear end in a top hat for not being sad that Dave Mustaine has throat cancer. As someone with General Anxiety Disorder, please choke on a bowl of poop.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


vessbot posted:

It's a bigger deal than that. The plane was not hooked up to a gate so she had no way off, and if she hasn't gotten lucky and had someone notice her leaning out the door with the flashlight, she could have been stranded overnight or even multiple days. Now let's also imagine it was winter in Canada, and you see the problem. Add to that the stress of a possible misunderstanding in our very rational post-9/11 world over why she had accessed an unauthorized area and tampered with equipment...

None of this is actually a thing that would have happened. She literally flagged someone down within a couple of hours of waking up. It's an airport, the biggest, busiest airport in the country, not a gulag.

Minto Took posted:

And I thought I was an rear end in a top hat for not being sad that Dave Mustaine has throat cancer. As someone with General Anxiety Disorder, please choke on a bowl of poop.

Sorry to hear that, but do you go tell the news every time something causes you to suffer from an anxiety attack?

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Finger Prince posted:

This kind of story is the type of thing that makes me despair for humanity. To go to the news with something like this? I fell asleep on the train once and had to find and ask a conductor if it could stop at the next station and let me off. It was embarrassing, and I had an "oh poo poo where am I and where am I going" moment when I woke up, but I didn't go tell the news about it, and I certainly didn't suffer anxiety and night terrors from loving FALLING ASLEEP AND WAKING UP IN THE DARK! Jesus Christ. I get why PR is bending over backwards to make sure she's feeling ok so she doesn't sue, that's a whole other what's wrong with this world discussion though. But how is this anything but the personally embarrassing story of "oops I fell asleep when I shouldn't have, and got in a minor predicament because of it". A grown rear end-adult having night terrors and anxiety because they fell asleep on public transport and woke up in the dark not sure exactly where they were. :lol:

Go back to reddit, op.

Full Collapse
Dec 4, 2002

Finger Prince posted:

Sorry to hear that, but do you go tell the news every time something causes you to suffer from an anxiety attack?

No, but I’ve never been trapped in a cold and dark airplane.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Cold dark airplane naps are the best naps.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Jealous Cow posted:

Go back to reddit, op.

Yeah, how dare I express the controversial idea that people should take some loving personal responsibility. The moral of this story is don't fall asleep on public transport if you don't want to wake up someplace other than where you expected to be. How the gently caress anyone considered it to be national news is beyond me, but I guess I'm out of touch.

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

Finger Prince posted:

None of this is actually a thing that would have happened. She literally flagged someone down within a couple of hours of waking up. It's an airport, the biggest, busiest airport in the country, not a gulag.

Planes get pulled over to hardstands and left for long periods of time at the biggest airports in the world.

Why do you have an expectation of a random layman to assume that the airline will operate the plane for a flight before she's on it for too long? And at what threshold do you set this too long (clearly, more than "a few hours") before she is allowed to be legit freaked out by being stranded in a dark, isolated metal tube?

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

Finger Prince posted:

some loving personal responsibility.

It is literally the cabin crew's responsibility to ensure no one is left on board before they leave.

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vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
Flip the calendar by 6 months and she could have been killed.

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