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Yes, the wheels are retractable, and yes, landing an amphibious seaplane with the wheels down is a great way to flip it over. Dunno how likely it is for the gear to have popped out on its own after the fact; I'd say "not very."
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Sagebrush posted:Yes, the wheels are retractable, and yes, landing an amphibious seaplane with the wheels down is a great way to flip it over. Dunno how likely it is for the gear to have popped out on its own after the fact; I'd say "not very." I wasn't sure how that particular model worked. I'm used to the ones that have just the floats. https://cdn.aviation-safety.net/wikibase/237597 This says "gear down landing" so yeah, I guess that's it. Nobody hurt though! So a good landing 
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Jul 3, 2020 05:31
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Any landing you can swim away from, etc etc
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Jul 3, 2020 08:05
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I've been flying the Q400 from the left seat for a bit over 3 years, and I still think that label is funny.
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Jul 3, 2020 08:13
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azflyboy posted:I've been flying the Q400 from the left seat for a bit over 3 years, and I still think that label is funny. that's an odd place to put the button all on its own there - massive placard too!
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Jul 3, 2020 10:28
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meltie posted:that's an odd place to put the button all on its own there - massive placard too! A real testament to the quality and forethought that went into the Q400.
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azflyboy posted:I've been flying the Q400 from the left seat for a bit over 3 years, and I still think that label is funny. meltie posted:that's an odd place to put the button all on its own there - massive placard too! I just though it was a hole you stick your hand through to wipe water off the windshield manually.
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Jul 3, 2020 12:28
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I just though it was a hole you stick your hand through to wipe water off the windshield manually. This is the Bombardiway.
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Jul 3, 2020 12:35
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Warbird posted:Some rando is selling a motor glider in my area on Craigslist. This is a bad idea, right? Just like in general.  Goon Project!
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Jul 3, 2020 13:10
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azflyboy posted:I've been flying the Q400 from the left seat for a bit over 3 years, and I still think that label is funny. drat that is crusty
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Jul 3, 2020 14:52
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e.pilot posted:A real testament to the quality and forethought that went into the Q400. Is that factory coin mat?
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Jul 3, 2020 16:36
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e.pilot posted:This is the Bombardiway. Any favored stories of why they are so easy to dislike, or terrible design decisions?
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Jul 3, 2020 17:21
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:Is that factory coin mat? Yes it is. Every Q400 we have has that exact same floor mat. Timmy Age 6 posted:Any favored stories of why they are so easy to dislike, or terrible design decisions? A few examples: The wipers park horizontally across the bottom of the windshields, so they're perpendicular to the airflow, which basically doubles the noise level on the flight deck. The ducts that carry heated/cooled air to the cabin run along the belly skin, and were essentially uninsulated on the first production models. Since the air cycle machine is in the tail, the air was absolutely freezing by the time it got up to the flight deck at altitude. Also, when the engines switch the bleed air source on descent, the cabin temperature occasionally spikes 15-20 degrees for no apparent reason. The ducts for the cabin and flight deck heat are so close together that trying to adjust the temperature on the flight deck results in the cabin temperature radically swinging, so the usual rule of thumb is that if the pilots are too cold, it's probably about right in the cabin. The heaters on the distribution valves for the pneumatic deice boots don't run if the system is off, so they'll freeze up and disable the system if any moisture is present on the ground. That's solved by always leaving the boot switch in the "manual" position, since that runs the valve heaters even if the boots aren't being used. To save a few bucks, the autopilot is only two axis, so any power change requires a lot of rudder and rudder trim use to avoid the people in the last couple rows from getting motion sick from the yawing motion. Like most modern airplanes, the Q400 uses carbon brakes. Said brakes are very effective, but don't have much stopping power until they have some heat in them. This means that hard braking during landing goes something like "nothing, nothing, nothing, OH GOD I SMASHED MY HEAD ON THE WINDSHIELD" since the brakes grab extremely hard and very unevenly as they come up to temperature. Adding to the fun, the first officers brake pedals don't directly actuate the brakes, so transferring control from the FO captain during the landing rollout will smack passengers into the seat in front of them if the captain is applying braking when the FO releases theirs. This one might be airline specific, but when switching from following a compass heading to a GPS track, the autopilot will initially turn the wrong direction in some circumstances.
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Jul 3, 2020 20:29
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Inacio posted:drat that is crusty No Covid here!
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azflyboy posted:A few examples: Now this is the poo poo. I'd love to hear more plane-specific grievances.
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Jul 4, 2020 01:40
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eggyolk posted:Now this is the poo poo. I'd love to hear more plane-specific grievances. I hear the 737 has a flight deck made for ants
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hobbesmaster posted:I hear the 737 has a flight deck made for ants Isn’t the 747s flight deck even more cramped?
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Anecdotal evidence from sitting in PMDG pretend airplanes via VR follows: I found the 737 the most cramped. 747 is next but while it's only a bit wider, it feels much taller. 777 felt like a living room compared to the other two.
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Minto Took posted:Anecdotal evidence from sitting in PMDG pretend airplanes via VR follows: loving lmao
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Jul 4, 2020 05:21
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At least I was honest.
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From my long flight sim experience I have concluded that most cockpits have an icky bedroom smell.
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luminalflux posted:Isn’t the 747s flight deck even more cramped? All I know is that there is 737 specific luggage for pilots.
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eggyolk posted:Now this is the poo poo. I'd love to hear more plane-specific grievances. every cessna 152 has broken door latches that pop open in flight
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luminalflux posted:Isn’t the 747s flight deck even more cramped? nah the 747 is fairly roomy, not 767 or 777 roomy, but roomy 737 is hilariously small because the 707/727/737 nose is freakishly pointy, ever seen one from a top down view? 
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747 is roomy enough that it caused some problems initially of pilots not having the right sight-line so it has the little ball-and-peg thing to check your alignment:
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HookedOnChthonics posted:747 is roomy enough that it caused some problems initially of pilots not having the right sight-line so it has the little ball-and-peg thing to check your alignment: Every big-ish plane I’ve flown up until the 767 has had these and I miss them.
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Jul 4, 2020 15:07
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So how do they work?
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slidebite posted:So how do they work? You adjust your seat until the red ball lines up with the white balls in your perspective.
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The Ferret King posted:You adjust your seat until the red ball lines up with the white balls in your perspective. That sounds waaay to simple for anything avionics related. Are you sure there's no superceded 16bit EPROM that is photosensitive maintained by a greybeard locked in a dungeon somewhere as the keeper of the code?
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HookedOnChthonics posted:747 is roomy enough that it caused some problems initially of pilots not having the right sight-line so it has the little ball-and-peg thing to check your alignment: Is that basically just to make sure your field of view is roughly where the designers expected it to be so you don't misjudge where the rest of the plane is relative to you? I'm assuming the operating principle is just "make sure you can see all the bits of the little ball-and-peg thing", right? efb on all fronts!
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luminalflux posted:Isn’t the 747s flight deck even more cramped? I constantly hit my head on the 747 overhead when getting in the seat and in the 737 I don't do that. So it's slightly taller. The 737 cockpit is much smaller in every other dimension though. For actual content the 737ng is an abomination of 30 year old band aids and the MAX is an abomination of 50 year old band aids. Especially and specifically anti ice systems and cabin temp control. Bane of my existence on that dumbass airplane.
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Arson Daily posted:I constantly hit my head on the 747 overhead when getting in the seat and in the 737 I don't do that. So it's slightly taller. The 737 cockpit is much smaller in every other dimension though. Any time someone asks what’s wrong with the 737 I point to the cabin pressure monitor.
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e.pilot posted:Any time someone asks what’s wrong with the 737 I point to the cabin pressure monitor.  Well, that looks reasonable for an aircraft "designed" in the 21st century.
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*me, in TYOOL 2020. Also me, an idiot* hey cool let's go fly this jet just one sec while I turn on these generators and manually configure this pressurization panel like a fuckin caveman.
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I'm also somewhat concerned that the cabin altitude gauge goes to 50,000ft.
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hobbesmaster posted:I'm also somewhat concerned that the cabin altitude gauge goes to 50,000ft. It’s OK, above 30,000 it’ll probably start frosting up, to your hilarious amusement.
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hobbesmaster posted:
What's so bad about that gauge?
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Sagebrush posted:What's so bad about that gauge? It’s difficult to read because it’s two gauges in one. It’s absolutely massive. It’s hilariously antiquated even compared to something like the antiquated one on the 767. On the CRJ it’s literally a couple of small knobs and a small corner of a screen on the EICAS.   e: Look at the monument to aviation design prior to human factors being a thing the 737 overhead is. Also look how much real estate the CPAM takes up while also being impossible to glance at and read.  e.pilot fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jul 4, 2020 |
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Type certificates are a hell of a drug.
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Sagebrush posted:What's so bad about that gauge? Look for the cabin altitude indicator.
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