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thetechnoloser posted:Nope, the V-280 is just as ugly as you all think it is, official render or not. This looks far better than the renders. Yes its a blackhawk with tilt rotors, but thats literally a wonderful idea for a useful aircraft. Also, I have knee defenders. They're called knees. Exit row/bulkhead for life.
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Is that a mockup or a flying prototype?
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MRC48B posted:Is that a mockup or a flying prototype? Believe it's a mockup. Don't know that they've progressed that far in the program yet.
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YF19pilot posted:I may bet talking out my rear end, but doesn't the boom usually hang out far enough that if the AWACS did continue it would (narrowly) miss the tail of the KC as long as the AWACS didn't speed up/KC slow down? I mean, yeah, aerial refueling can be dangerous, but there is some risk mitigation. The AWACS' nose sticks out like 15 feet forward of the AR port. And the boom isn't mounted at the extreme rear of the tanker either. Even if all the E-3 hits is the retracted boom that's going ruin a lot of people's day...and if that happens it's right at the flight deck so it could easily cut a lot of people's day short.
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Aug 26, 2014 22:28
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You know what's cool? Airplanes. Big planes, little planes, old planes, new planes, sleek planes, ugly planes, shiny planes, black planes, fast planes, slow planes, planes with guns, planes with bombs, planes with cameras, planes that GO INTO SPAAAAACE. Yeah, so the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB is awesome. It would easily cover two full days if you have the stamina; I did about 9 hours total over two days and didn't see everything. The R&D Hangar is especially cool. First, the requests: Spads    Crazy paint schemes:      The Valkyrie (here shown mounting a poor YF-23; it's hard to get a good distance shot in the hangar)   Other fun stuff: AD1 Skyraider, a favorite of mine. Look at all 'dem hard points.  Bone  Mig-21 that's off in a dusty corner. That section is still a work in progress, so I'm sure it'll look awesome when it's done.  Not enough guns on this one.  OV-10, another favorite. It just has so much character.  SR-71 and its little brother the YF-12   Zero  Possibly the greatest "could-have-been" tragedy in aviation: a turboprop P-51 that never got the green light. God drat that would have been awesome.  The missile hall is really cool, and really scary.  And a big view of part of the cold war wing, from the top of the shuttle mockup. A-10 and Mig-29 in the middle. 
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Great museum and great pictures. I went a couple years ago but didn't have time to see the experimental hangar, unfortunately. Did get to sit in an F-4 cockpit, though, and that was neat. Does the Valk feel as big as it looks?
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Great museum and great pictures. I went a couple years ago but didn't have time to see the experimental hangar, unfortunately. Did get to sit in an F-4 cockpit, though, and that was neat. Does the Valk feel as big as it looks? Yes. It's absolutely gigantic. I live a couple hours from the museum so I try and go once every couple years- and it's just as fascinating every time I do it.
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hobbesmaster posted:This looks far better than the renders. Yes its a blackhawk with tilt rotors, but thats literally a wonderful idea for a useful aircraft. It looks more like a blackhawk whose headshot was resized without being constrained to its original proportions.
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thetechnoloser posted:Believe it's a mockup. Don't know that they've progressed that far in the program yet. The one in that picture is definitely a mockup.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Great museum and great pictures. I went a couple years ago but didn't have time to see the experimental hangar, unfortunately. Did get to sit in an F-4 cockpit, though, and that was neat. Does the Valk feel as big as it looks? If anything it's bigger. Pictures really don't do it justice. The way the forward fuselage sticks so far out and so high up is insane. I wanted to try the F-4 and F-16 cockpits, but I was really crunched for time and there was a line of goony nerd types at each one.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:
Here's the whole story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer Glad it never went anywhere, a Mustang burning Jet A is an abomination.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:SR-71 and its little brother the YF-12 And a bit of the littlest brother of them all, the D-21. Thanks for the Spads, btw. VOR LOC posted:Here's the whole story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer I don't know what's worse, the Jet A, or the fact that these weren't new airframes being built. CovfefeCatCafe fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Yeah, for as much as it would have been a performance boost, at least half the mystique of the Mustang is due to that fantastic Merlin sound; replacing it with a turbine is somehow underwhelming. For a similar example, compare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frGkdLVMPMM&t=78s with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUJIC6I7ic
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Wingnut Ninja posted:The Valkyrie (here shown mounting a poor YF-23; it's hard to get a good distance shot in the hangar)  There's part of me that really wishes they would have made the YF-23 a thing - such a pretty plane. Wingnut Ninja posted:And a big view of part of the cold war wing, from the top of the shuttle mockup. A-10 and Mig-29 in the middle. 
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Just saw two C-17s flying really close one behind the other, maybe a quarter mile distance from each other out of McChord AFB. Any reason they would be flying that close to each other?
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For funsies / because they can? They're probably coming back from hurling a bunch of Rangers out the door. 
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You ever see a dog trying to snif another dog's butt right after he took a poop? Planes are like that too.
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It's the first time I've ever seen them fly that close in my whole time living here so it just seemed weird to me Never saw them do that while I was in the army either. Mike-o fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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I've heard that they're doing fuel efficiency experiments using C-17s. That might be the reason.
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Duke Chin posted:Seriously, how big is that hanger? It's really freaking huge. All the planes visible there are in about one half of one of the hangars. There are two others of the same size next to it, with R&D and the presidential fleet currently in an on-base hangar that will fill a fourth museum hangar once it's built. I'll post a picture of the map when I get a chance. It's got silhouettes of all the planes overlaid on the floor plan.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:It's really freaking huge. All the planes visible there are in about one half of one of the hangars. There are two others of the same size next to it, with R&D and the presidential fleet currently in an on-base hangar that will fill a fourth museum hangar once it's built. Man, not that I have a reason to go to Ohio, but I *really* need to get to that museum. I'm still pissed at myself, years later, for not having gone to the Udvar-Hazy NASM annex last time I was in D.C.. I was even flying in/out of Dulles. That whole trip was a mess.
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Davin Valkri posted:I've heard that they're doing fuel efficiency experiments using C-17s. That might be the reason. Heh. Military planes fly in formation a ton. Or, well, marine corps ones do.
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WAIT, I change my answer: side curtain and passenger airbag tests
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revmoo posted:As airlines continue to shrink legroom to non-realistic amounts, these sorts of events are going to become more common. I expect airlines to ban these knee defenders soon, but it's not going to make the problem go away. They should just get rid of the ability for the seat to recline at all. (Optionally, allow it only on long-haul flights where you are expected to sleep.)
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The change in the cowling for the turboprop engine totally ruins the lines and proportions of the mustang IMO
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In the related videos section of that DC-8 vid. I wish the airliners of today spit fire!!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExlu488bM4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijNtZTqB6n4  Goddamn the Constellation is such a sexy looking plane.
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Duke Chin posted:Seriously, how big is that hanger? Oh it's big. On this map there's an empty space at the top of the Cold War Gallery; that's now the shuttle mockup. From there you can just see the tail of the B-36.  (The presidential and research galleries are actually a bus ride away) They broke ground on a new hangar this summer where they will horizontally display the Titan 4B rocket they have begun restoring.
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Duke Chin posted:Man, not that I have a reason to go to Ohio, but I *really* need to get to that museum. I'm still pissed at myself, years later, for not having gone to the Udvar-Hazy NASM annex last time I was in D.C.. I was even flying in/out of Dulles. That whole trip was a mess. Do iiiittt, I managed to sneak an hour or so before flying out of Dulles and was worried about cutting it fine heading in. In retrospect I would gladly have missed my flight to see it. A Concorde, SR-71, the Discovery, the Enola loving Gay. Everything there is fantastic in a historical way, not just a 'huh, cool' way. We'd done the in-town smithsonians the day before and I don't remember jack from them. Udvar-Hazy is amazing.
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VOR LOC posted:Here's the whole story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer  CAC Kangaroo. A sort of supercharged Mustang, in a way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_CA-15 quote:In fact, development of the CA-15 was slowed by a recommendation from CAC head Lawrence Wackett, that the company build Mustangs under licence, rather than bear the cost of developing a unique design. By the later stages of its development, it was believed that the CA-15 would have capabilities enabling it to replace the P-51.[3]
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The Aussies never met a plane they couldn't make uglier, did they?
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drunkill posted:
A Mustang with a radial would look weird as hell.
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Sagebrush posted:A Mustang with a radial would look weird as hell.   
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Sanguine posted:Do iiiittt, I managed to sneak an hour or so before flying out of Dulles and was worried about cutting it fine heading in. In retrospect I would gladly have missed my flight to see it. A Concorde, SR-71, the Discovery, the Enola loving Gay. Everything there is fantastic in a historical way, not just a 'huh, cool' way. Secret for locals in the DC area: if you show up something like 1-2 hours before the Udvar-Hazy center closes, they don't charge you the exorbitant parking fee. You might think "I'll take the bus," but the bus costs just as much as the parking fee. They are smarter than you. But if money's tight and you've got the patience to scope the place out in sections, it's an option - unless you'll burn more than $12 worth of gas driving out there multiple times, which you likely would.
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Sagebrush posted:A Mustang with a radial would look weird as hell. Meh, you could disguise it a little - like all the Fw 190s that have an inverted V12 but still look like a radial Fw 190A
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~Coxy posted:They should just get rid of the ability for the seat to recline at all. Replace all their airliners with A380 so that there's enough space for decent legroom. Only fly on Emirates.
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Never flew their A380 product but IIRC Emirates' 330s and 777s are nothing different from EU legacy carrier options, legroom-wise.
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Cathay Pacific used to have these seat "pods" in economy that didn't recline. They just rotated the seat around a point within the frame, with the back shell not attached and not moving. It wasn't that comfortable. Not sure if they still have that.
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Cat Mattress posted:Replace all their airliners with A380 so that there's enough space for decent legroom. Emirates economy is the same hell, comfort wise.
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An F-15 from the Massachusetts Air National Guard has crashed in Virginia, no word on the pilot http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/08/27/f-15-jet-from-massachusetts-crashes-in-virginia/
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Duke Chin posted:Oh man just think of the children coming out of that crazy, drunken, one-night hookup. Here's some scale: 
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