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The PAPI is working on that runway right? If they were flying VFR then they must have been flying it by hand there. No US airline flies anything that big under VFR, you sure they didn't say VMC prevailed at the time of the accident?
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Jul 7, 2013 04:30
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Depends on the reason for the crash and if they were injured. The pilots that flew the gimli glider for example continued to fly for air canada including on the same plane. The pilots involved with the BA 777 crash flew again but one seems to have left flying due to PTSD. I can't think of any major fuckups by flight crews that left them alive and able to conceivably fly again off the top of my head.
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Jul 7, 2013 07:16
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smackfu posted:The story of the BA 777 pilot is I think it goes something like he was on paid leave for a while following the wreck for obvious reasons, then when he returned to duty he didn't want to do it due to PTSD flashbacks and took a voluntary layoff. He then wrote a book about how terrible BA's treatment of the situation (see PTSD) but eventually wanted to fly again and asked to go back (insert therapy or whatever in the intervening time). I think that's what they're trying to say.
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Jul 7, 2013 16:49
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In the left seat though?
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Jul 8, 2013 03:46
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Alright no more listening to CNN is a good idea for this.
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Jul 8, 2013 04:00
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Alereon posted:There is also a reason that commercial pilots (or at least passenger transport) are generally required to use navigational aids like the glide slope if they're available. While it's not impossible to safely complete a flight without them, it is less safe. I'm also mystified at the low level of importance people are placing on the Pilot Flying's level of familiarity with the aircraft. He certainly SHOULD have been able to land safely, but the low familiarity means every step of the approach was harder and took longer than it otherwise would have, and if you don't think that was a major factor in this accident then I don't know what to tell you. The pilots of Pinnacle 3701 didn't know how airplanes worked full stop. What exactly are you saying should be the standard for a VFR approach? Should all aircraft have a HUD with a TVI and a giant 3 degree line like a 787? This aircrew probably would have flown that TVI indicator right into the loving seawall. edit: by tvi I meant total velocity vector indicator but what is it actually called on a Boeing? edit2: flight path indicator hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 8, 2013 |
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Jul 8, 2013 20:16
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Godholio posted:PURR UP! PURR UP! Racism aside that might be why they stalled.
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Jul 9, 2013 02:03
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Colonial Air Force posted:If you watch the video, the nose seems like it's angled up more than I've usually seen. It was one of the first things I noticed, and I'm assuming with idle throttles, it's why the plane stalled. The plane being at too high of a pitch compared to the flight path is the definition of a stall.
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Jul 9, 2013 02:46
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"Don't sink" is for departures though.
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Jul 9, 2013 05:38
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Linedance posted:Dammit, I went all that way for such a corny joke! Maybe they misunderstood sink rate and turned off their brains? 
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Jul 9, 2013 06:35
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CharlesM posted:It was a single Otter. They're cool planes. If you live in Seattle you'll see one about every 10 minutes doing a scenic tour. Those aren't all otters, theres some cessnas too.
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Jul 9, 2013 20:02
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdkCpnGMyGw Seriously: http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=lUUU-C-7o98
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Jul 10, 2013 14:34
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Advent Horizon posted:NTSB quote of the day: "The airplane was airborne prior to its impact with the ground". Well, it was a sea plane, it normally impacts the water not the ground. edit: welp all otters aren't float planes, there goes that idea
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Jul 10, 2013 16:33
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Mobius1B7R posted:Raked wingtips would extend the wingspan out past normal limits for clearance at airports. They would have to use different gates to avoid any conflict with aircraft next to them. The Navy doesn't have to worry about gate space so raked wingtips it is. Also, raked wingtips are inefficient for short trips so intercontinental and aircraft that will loiter for forever will want them while shorter ranged 737 variants will not.
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Jul 10, 2013 21:18
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Jealous Cow posted:Is this because short range flights spend a larger portion climbing and descending than long ranged flights? Yes. Its a trade off between climb performance (winglets) and drag (raked wingtips).
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Jul 10, 2013 21:27
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SybilVimes posted:
I wonder how much the LSO is controlling that thing.
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Jul 11, 2013 17:23
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it's probably more capable of it than a human pilot would be...
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iyaayas01 posted:He's not. X-47 is autonomous-ish, the human is just in the loop to tell it what to do, the plane more or less flies itself as far as direct control inputs and the like. It's not like Preds/Reapers where the human is hand flying the thing the whole time (or at least when the autopilot-ish function isn't engaged). The LSO is in charge of the deck though, hes the one that is controlling the landing of the manned air craft, telling them to add/decrease power and when to go around. I'm wondering if this drone can be controlled in the same tight manner and if its not how they could possibly integrate that with carrier ops.
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Jul 11, 2013 18:51
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Yeah but what about wave offs due to conditions on the boat and not the plane? We're possibly over thinking a proof of concept though.
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Jul 11, 2013 19:29
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^^ the meatball board or whatever it's called has a bunch of red lights for the purpose. Could detect that I suppose. Well, what do they do with the current UAVs?
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Jul 11, 2013 19:33
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Had no idea 747s had a thrust to weight ratio above one!
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Jul 12, 2013 12:42
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Jul 12, 2013 13:26
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I guess we cursed it!Previa_fun posted:Squeeze 4 of the biggest GE90s onto an empty 74 and it's drat close. See but theres so many cool looking but plausible things that they could do with 74s in movies. Like say, a JATO assisted take off, a tactical descent while dropping flares, etc.
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Jul 12, 2013 14:14
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BBC posted:An Ethiopian Airlines Dreamliner named the Queen of Sheba - the same plane involved in the Heathrow incident - flew from Addis Ababa to Nairobi on the first commercial flight since the grounding. So this one had the fix and still burst into flames?! jfc Boeing.
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Jul 12, 2013 17:53
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ehnus posted:Of course, you just drill out the rivets-oh... that's going to suck to fix. I like how the livery is so you know that every angle of it will make sure to frame the "Boeing 787" label. So how are composite airliners put together?
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Jul 12, 2013 20:19
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Looks like the burn marks stop before the edge there so thats good I guess?
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Jul 12, 2013 20:21
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THE RED MENACE posted:There's also a battery in the aft (adjacent to the galley) for the APU. It isn't in this Boeing document though? http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff787.pdf (page 7)
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Jul 12, 2013 20:48
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THE RED MENACE posted:But there's a picture of an aft APU battery in the galley? There's no way it caused that fire though. But the aft battery bay is between doors 2 and 3 and the fire was like right above door 4? The burn marks are where the FA rest area is... hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Jul 12, 2013 22:04
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VikingSkull posted:Confirming is such a weird term to use here, it makes it look like the news called and said "are these comedy names the actual names of the pilots?" and he said "yup". The intern probably thought it was a prank call from his frat brothers or something.
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Jul 13, 2013 02:16
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MrChips posted:Yeah, I was just going to say, $20k for the aircraft, then $20k for annual inspection, $60k for engines, $20k for props, $10-20k for new deice boots (they'll be totally shot likely), probably $15k for paint and $15k for interior (because tan, brown and orange on tan is just awful, plus it's probably totally worn out), then $whatever for however modern you want the panel - could be as high as $250k if you go nuts with the Garmin catalog. Though even $250k isn't bad for a twin, right?
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Jul 13, 2013 02:58
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Or you could take that $350k and buy a brand new Cessna 172! 
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Jul 13, 2013 03:13
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azflyboy posted:a large part of that trust comes from the fact that they never release or confirm names of anyone involved in an accident or ever release CVR audio from aircraft accidents. Might want to tell them to take this offline then because you can get CVR transcripts, recordings and extensive crew biographies in every incident docket.
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Godholio posted:Probably. I've done similar things with F-16s. Do you score using the HUD film?
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Aargh posted:There was a story a few years ago of an Australian F111 commander getting into trouble running training missions on his ex girlfriend's house. "Why are we supposed to hit this waypoint at exactly M1.0 over a residential neighborhood at sea level?!"
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Jul 16, 2013 02:18
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fknlo posted:I've been told that B2's like to do practice bombing runs on the St. Louis arch. Isn't that kind of cheating? Perhaps they should also use the Boeing Everett plant for practice?
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Jul 16, 2013 17:17
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The only thing that could be more ironic would be if the FDR somehow destroyed a plane.
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Jul 18, 2013 17:24
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In response Delta will probably scrounge up some more gas guzzling DC-9-50s. Because, wtf is going on at Delta.
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Jul 19, 2013 01:27
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Polymerized Cum posted:AirTran is meh but you will enjoy the 717. Smooth and quiet. So no hydraulic APU or whatever the gently caress it is under the over wing exit rows?
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azflyboy posted:There's at least one still flying around in the US, although I have no idea how the owners can afford to keep running it. Since even the later Jetstar models are running 1970's vintage engines, they'll typically burn through a bit more than twice as much fuel for a given flight as a modern Learjet, and I'm sure parts are getting to be pretty expensive as well. Is that why it has a speed brake? hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Jul 21, 2013 |
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sellouts posted:Did they really deploy the slides? Seems more dangerous than the landing. Well, I'd prefer the slides to waiting for them to find an air stairs to drive to an active runway.
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