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Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Minto Took posted:

Yeah, noticed those too. That's a cool airplane owner.

I like that the dice says 23.

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Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




okay, so I'm copying this straight out of a book called "I Learned About Flying From That"

quote:

I'll Never Do That Again
It was 1981 or possibly 1982. I was a new major assigned to the 613 Tactical Fighter Squadron at Torrejon AB near Madrid, Spain. We were flying the F-4D at the time. I was sent out to fly a single ship training sortie with my weapon system officer(WSO).
We were holding in the number one position for takeoff in the hot summer sun. Tower cleared us on the runway to hold for approximately a five-minute delay due to civilian airline traffic at Barajas, the international airport at Madrid, a few miles off the end of the runway.
We taxied into position and began waiting for clearance with our canopies open due to the 100(deg) heat. Then the tower advised us to expect takeoff clearance in one minute. We then closed our canopies in anticipation of our takeoff clearance.
When my canopy came down I noticed that my master caution light stayed on, and the canopy locking indicator stripes were not aligned. I leaned over to look at the locking mechanism and could tell that it was indeed not locked. Additionally, I could see daylight under both sides of the canopy.
It was at this point that I decided to give the canopy a little tug to help it over the overcentering mechanism. I reached up with both hands to grab the canopy bow, but my fingers went instead between the canopy bow and and windshield rim. Now the canopy decided to lock, trapping my fingers. I began to scream in pain but this wasn't being heard because I had my mask off and was on cold mic.
Then the tower said, "Holding in takeoff position, you are cleared for takeoff." All I could do was look at the microphone button and try to figure a way to get to it. A glance in the mirror revealed my WSO to be busy with other matters, and was unaware of my predicament in the front seat. I tried to raise my knee enough to get to the microphone button but it was no use. I could only stare at the mic button and try to think of a way to call for help.
Since we hadn't started our takeoff, the tower repeated its takeoff clearance, "In takeoff position, cleared for takeoff, acknowledge." Additionally, my WSO came over the intercom and said, "OK Rocky, we are ready to go."
Then I began to think at about 1,000 miles and hour: "No one has a clue that there is anything wrong , and I have no way of telling anyone. Without being able to use the nose-gear stearing button I can't taxi off the runway or back to the parking area. I am going to have to sit here, blocking the runway in a cockpit that must be 160deg by now, until someone comes to rescue me. That may be a long time. In the meantime, no one else can use the runway to take off or land. The engines can't be shut down from the back seat, and if someone from the outside came to my rescue they couldn't come up to the cockpit for fear of getting sucked into the intake. There is no way anyone can help me. I am going to be sitting here until I run out of gas, but I will probably be dead from heat stroke before that"
Then I decided, "Finger or not, I have to save myself." So I closed both eyes, gritted my teeth and jerked both hands back as hard as possible, not knowing if I would be leaving my fingers behind or not. Luckily my fingers came free and the canopy closed and locked.
My thumbs had not been caught, so I was able to use the mic button to acknowledge the clearance now. All my fingers still worked, but the tips were bruised so badly I couldn't bear to touch anything. Fearing the razzing I would get from the guys in the squadron for an abort under such embarrassing circumstances, I decided to go ahead and fly the sortie. I was able to get the throttles into afterburner without gripping them with my fingers, but the nosegear stearing button was another matter. I couldn't bear to use it. Luckily I didn't need it.
After an hour or so I was able to use my fingers again. For the next few weeks I had to keep my hands out of sight because my nails were black and my fingertips black and blue from the incident. All this had happened in a few seconds but to me it seemed forever.
Needless to say, I kept quiet out the incident, never mentioning it to a soul for five or six years. That is something you would never be able to outlive in a fighter squadron. Then one night after some drinks I related this story to several guys at the officers club. Evidently, it has gotten around in the Air Force because a few years later, I heard the same story from someone who had no idea he was telling it to the very pilot who did it.
Twenty years have passed now. I am quite a bit older and hopefully a bit wiser, but I will never forget the hot summer day in Spain when an F-4 delayed its takeoff roll for a few seconds.

http://www.amazon.com/Learned-About-Flying-From-That/dp/1933231246/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340766682&sr=8-1&keywords=1933231246

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2us2kOQd6g

some kid out there has the BEST loving DAD in the world

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




The last Airdrie airshow had an AN-2 on static display and the person "MC"ing the flight displays mentioned that it was the kind of airplane where you could get it airbourne, throttle back to nothing, and fly all night. Was this accurate? How would this kind of flying affect affordability?

While I'm on the subject, who would I e-mail at Lockheed if I wanted to point out that Airdrie has the closest regular airshow to the PM's home riding, and while I'm not involved in any kind of organization, I would LOVE to see a flight demo. Especially since my taxes have, apparently, helped develop the drat thing.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Plywood rots. :shrug:

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Sikkens put a ton of research into the silver paint used by McLaren's F1 cars. It's designed to go onto Carbon Fibre, is low weight, and can handle extreme temperatures. It's the right colour too!

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




I've decided I love old US propoganda films. Pre-Vietnam US is such a different society than today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHee8RzSctQ

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




I don't know how to link to facebook statuses, but if you aren't following the Bugatti 100p project, they just showed prototypes for a 1/32 scale model they're going to start marketing.

oh, and they're building a replica Bugatti 100p replica too.

http://www.facebook.com/TheBugatti100pProject

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008






Harvards are great! I'm pretty sure they are relatively obtainable too.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Me, I just think airplanes look best in yellow and red...








Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




http://www.newairplane.com/787/dreampass/

Why has no one posted this yet?

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




I don't really like to backtrack threads, but...

Where does the Tu-95 Bear fall in on the twin prop discussion? It's still in active operation, when it's jet contemporaries have all fallen by the wayside. Is this a particularly good implementation or just Soviet drat-the-cost maintainance procedures?

Also, there is a facebook page for the Bugatti 100p project which has some nice photos of a gorgeous plane as well as neat pictures of gears and pins and stuff. good stuff.

http://www.facebook.com/TheBugatti100pProject

edit: This goes back to the Thunderscreech discussion too! Guess why.

Loud faster than sound propellers by design

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 3, 2013

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

The Bear has subsonic props although it is still hilariously loud. I don't think the 100P had supersonic props.

edit: One wiki source says they're supersonic, but I've always heard they were subsonic.

Uhh, whoops, I meant the Bear, not the 100p. I am bad at the internet (and yes I am going by Wikipedia, so am likely wrong about this. :( )

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




MrChips posted:

Supposedly, the Bear is actually a pretty reliable aircraft... :words:

Thread pulls through, again.

StandardVC10 posted:

I see. Your last remark reminds me of the Unducted Fan experiments from the eighties. They never made production but are pretty fun to look at.

:) Higher bypass? How much do you want?
:eng101: All of it!

Edit:Actually turboprops are heading in that direction, only reversed. http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Navy/Grumman-E-2D-Hawkeye/2088182/&sid=41887b9b123d05b21d40dc0ddc2265d0

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Bombardier/De-Havilland-Canada/2207287/&sid=a2785fca6a6136ac0493da6372b245f6

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 4, 2013

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




The B-2 mission length record is 50hrs apparently.

Makes you think though: Could any power in the world actually go toe-to-toe with the US in a full scale war? Does anyone have the range and penetrability to get to Whiteman? Because I'm thinking that a B-2 could render PAK-FAs and Eurofighters obsolete by taking away their runways. Anything else would be lunch meat for F-22s and F-35s. Good luck running a ground war with OA-10s and Apaches running around at will.

Also LOL at RCAF being the Sixth largest air force in the Americas after US, US, US, US, and Brazil.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




I don't want to interupt the graphic design chat (seriously), but this video keeps popping up in my youtube "related" video list, so I figure you all can enjoy it too. Vulcans over the Falklands. British as all gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40knj0qg_Us

Cary on the typeface chat now.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




A RAF Hawk just took off from Calgary. While it was awesomely loud I need to know WHY there was a Hawk taking off from Calgary. I'm guessing it's Suffield related, but what could the be doing here that they can't do in Jolly England? Cold weather training? Because they picked a hell of a good week for it then.

Anyways, Hawks are really cool looking.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




You could go the Bob Lutz route and buy a Soviet equivalent.

Maybe a MiG-27? Just paint lines for an internal bomb bay and add a jet fueled flamethrower on the back. Tell people it shrunk in the wash.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/gm-chief-bob-lutz-flight-2011-12-16

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Oh, I was talking about the F-111

A Hustler, or any other strategic bomber is basically unobtainable and beyond uneconomical. It's silly really.

Unless you incorporate! Found MyfuckingHustler inc. Sell shares. Share holders can ride in your loving Hustler, but need to go dutch on fuel.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




block51 posted:

I can't recall for certain but I am pretty sure I was making air plane swoosh noises to myself as I stood there looking at it.

For all your plane swoosh needs:

http://anigrand.com/AA4007_XB-70.htm
http://anigrand.com/AA4059_XB-59.htm

also

http://www.miniwing.cz/models_1_144/mini007/Avro_CF-105_Arrow.htm

Wish I had the skill to consider spending the $$$

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




slidebite posted:

You can actually buy a decent 1/48 Hobbycraft CF105 model for a fair price. AMT did a 1/72 Valkyrie years back too. I actually have one. http://www.modelingmadness.com/review/mod/us/hamm70.htm

I just like working in (injected) 1/144 scale. They're cheap, and you can build them fast and put a bunch of them on a bookshelf. Yeah, I'm not very mature about the whole toy plane building thing.

In my head, 1/48 will always be associated with people who buy $100 photo etch and Resin kits, then end up with a model that's more filler than plastic because the body was 2mm too short and the wings were 1mm off on chord on the wingtips. Which is the opposite of the above.

Umm, this is a real derail though, so have a youtube playlist called "Wingsof the Luftwaffe"

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL321EC5570CED9FBE

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




MrChips posted:

I haven't built a model for ages - it's been something like 15 years or so. I was pretty good at the basics, but I never had the tools or the patience to do all the little details that actually make a model look like a real aircraft. I've given some thought to building models again; the problem is that based on what I want to build, the kits are either crap or super-expensive. I guess that's what happens when you've got an interest in lesser-known or prototype aircraft made after WWII.
I hear you on this. There are a number of German Paper Airplanes available from Revell in 1/72 that are getting long in the tooth so are pretty inexpensive. After that? Nada.

quote:

On a related subject, an aircraft I'd love to see an example in airworthy condition is the Avro CF-100 Canuck. As much as the Arrow gets all the attention, the Clunk was the only military aircraft designed and built in Canada to be put into production. In fact, I was thinking of aircraft like this when I lamented the lack of airworthy historical aircraft. While they're bound to be hideously expensive to operate, we're getting to the point where, apart from a handful of F-104s, there are no airworthy "Century Series" fighters. Beyond that, what of contemporary naval types? How many F-8s are still flying today?
I think the reason there are no flying Canucks is that they pulled the guts out of all of them and put one (or more) in every city. The Calgary air museum has one rusting in the snow, and Nanton has one on a plinth. Ditto T-33s.

quote:

Sure it wasn't one of our own? There was one at the Avitat much earlier this morning.

Could very well have been, but it had the bicolor rondel, and I though Canada's was always the maple leaf one?

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jan 31, 2013

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




If Westjet is looking at moving on from 737s, could Bombardier be looking at pitching their C-jet? They have an existing commercial relationship now. I will admit that I didn't look at the compared financials of the 2.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Can the F-16 slow down enough to escort a Cessna, or how does that work?

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Linedance posted:

realistically though now that the genie is out of the bottle with UAVs, the idea of carrier launched fighter/bombers is approaching obsolescence. A pure escort fighter is still useful, and stealth bombers to wipe out your target's airports etc. have their place, but what does a carrier launched fighter/bomber actually do?
I get the whole "projecting force" thing, but 'don't try anything or we'll fly a plane at you' seems a bit last century when your force projection is now 'don't even think about trying anything or it'll be gone before you've finished your thought, all day, every day'.

Close Air Support is still a role for manned aircraft, as is AWACs. I just hope it doesn't end up being the Missiles only policy that destroyed British air industries.

And for whoever posted it earlier, calling the F-4 the original JSF is a bit disingenuous. The F-4 was designed to be a carrier based jet fighter. Period. Despite being a heavy, smokey aircraft it was enough better than anything else at the time it actually managed to overcome the Air Force's "Not Invented Here" mentality and they got a version modded up for them.

Also, apparently it's no accident the X-47 looks a lot like the A-12.

edit: SH-60 is another aircraft that ended up being an "All Service" type. Although with little commonality.

edit: I was going to make a snarky comment about how MDD didn't donate 10s of Billions of dollars to US political parties, so add that to my paragraph about F-4s

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Feb 24, 2013

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Previa_fun posted:

Them props. :stare:

Aren't the props on the Bear like 19' across?

It's whatever 5.6m is.

And the tips are supersonic.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




A-10: No, you can't loving step there!


(click for big, it makes more sense)

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




It seems like the real problem with the DC-10 was in the hydraulics not really taking well to anything going wrong ever. IE: Engine falls off, hosed up hydraulics put plane into death roll. Engine explodes, hosed up hydraulics make plane un-flyable. Cargo door blows out, Control cables cut, plane unflyable.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




ctishman posted:

It was probably a question of design attitudes.

"X has never happened before, ever. What's the likelihood of X actually happening in real life?".

of course, "ever before ever" in the case of airliners was at the time around forty years. When X did happen, the attitudes began to change from "X probably won't happen" to "Design the plane so that even if X Y and Z happen simultaneously, everyone onboard doesn't die."

Ah, the 747 approach.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




iyaayas01 posted:

Serious post, I really enjoy watching the Snowbirds. Yeah, their shows don't have supersonic fighters buzzing the crowd at Mach 0.99, but they perform with 9, not 6, which adds something imho, and using CT-114s allows a more intricate performance.

They do OK



Also this thread is now "Post your Favorite Airshow Photos (that you took)"





Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




KodiakRS posted:

What's with the cockpits? Do they really think that the next generation of fighters are going to be manned? Just look at all the issues the F-22 has had keeping the squishy meat sack conscious.

Unmanned fighters are not exactly what you could call proven. They've never been used in a combat situation where the opposing force could combat the info link that is it's weak spot. Even Iran has shown it's possible to gently caress with drones in ways that aren't possible with manned aircraft.

Really that's the same kind of thinking that got the American into trouble in Vietnam, since no one needed guns since missiles were much better.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




OV-10B?



Probably not, twin boom and loud though.

Just wanted to post a pic of my favorite Vietnam plane, is that so wrong?

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




ctishman posted:

I look at something like that and wonder what would happen if an aerodynamic surface failed in flight Watching that take off, I was thinking "drat. That does not look at ALL stable." In fact, it looks like it actively wants the pilot dead.

And succeeding at least once.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Madurai posted:

The F-111B gets kind of an unfair treatment, generally. It was the correct decision to cancel it, but not because it was underpowered--the Tomcat had the exact same engines and effectively the same gross weight--but because it was designed for an obsolete mission. The Navy had since the end of WW2 had a day superiority fighter and a heavy all-weather fighter until the Phantom, which performed both roles. There was no way the F-111 could have matched the Tomcat in maneuverability, but this was because of the Tomcat's more advanced aerodynamics, not power-to-weight ratios.

The F-14 was (and I guess still is, in Iran) no great shakes in the knife-fighting department, but all that body lift means it could fly rings round the Aardvark.

The F-14A had a reputation for being underpowered.

Sometimes it exploded.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Counterpoint: F-14 is loving cool, and there were some truly great and iconic CAG paint jobs too. (Tomcatters, Jolly Rogers, Sundowners)

Really Superbugs are doing ok for paintjobs too, but the best post-vietnam navy plane for paint jobs is the E-2. I could do an entire shelf in 1/144 if Revel hadn't discontinued the kit (and if I had more money)

Actually I don't want that argument. Suffice to say the Navy's air arm has a history of some pretty good paint work



Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 23, 2013

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Wait, not done yet!







Stupid Hornet flying the wrong way!

ok, now I'm done.

And shipping to Canada makes buying models online basically a non-starter.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Went yesterday.

Won't make south store in time though.

Bought Acadamy AH-64a, Revell me262a-2, Minicraft b-29

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Mar 23, 2013

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




If you ask a marine exec, he'll explain to you that Marine pilots go through all the basic ground training any other Marine goes through. So when a Marine calls in CAS, it's a brother Marine (they don't actually use that term do they?) is taking the call. This is also why Harrier pilots wear camo helmets.

And STOVL allows the pilots to work from a lot closer than a Carrier deck, so they don't have to wait for a Navy boy to get out of his bunk, take a hot shower, eat some Eggs Benedict, and mosey on over to their location to shoot up a copse of trees.

Now how much of this is actually necessary can be debated, but don't ask why the Navy's Army needs an airforce since that question does have an actual answer.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Wasn't the F-35B needed to get the British involved too? I know that they dropped their plans for an American style carrier because they assume they can get the Bs to work on a ramp type.

I don't really have a horse in this race. Canada will never own one (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Sea_King_replacement)

edit: so I'm completely explicit:

Canada entered WW2 with mk.1 Hurricanes that had 2 blade props and cloth wings. Our political masters didn't realize how out of date that was.

After the war, Orenda powered Canadair built Sabres were considered the finest of the breed. This experience was used to create the CF-100 Canuck which was pretty good, and was going to create the Arrow which had the potential of cementing the Avro group's position in a global market when cost increases caused the Federal Government to shoot our aerospace industry in the head. The eventual replacement for the Arrow was the Voodoo. The primary weapon system on the Voodoo were nuclear rockets which Canada was not legally allowed to own! So they used a secondary system and kept their primary fighter's primary weapon in storage in the US in case they might need to use it.

Fast forward to the '80s and aging Labrador helicoptors. The Mulroney government brokers a deal with Eurocoptor to purchase some Cormerants and have parts for it made in Canada. Cue a government change, a 500 milling dollar cancelation fee, the grounding of the Labrador after it killed a few people, and a scaled down more expensive purchase of the same drat Helicopter with no concessions to Canadian manufaturing.

Our Sea Kings have all exeeded their airframe lifetimes and are grounded except for emergencies. The replacement was ordered in 1983 and is expected aaaannnyyy daaay noww...

You might say that the Hornet has been a pretty good success, except that already by Kosovo their Avionics were obsolete and incompatible with NATO allies (see beginning of this rant)the money this allowed Canadian Forces to pry out of the Feds allowed them to do such minor modernization like fix corrosion problems in the landing gear

Now Canada is on the verge of another government change and cancellation of the F-35 will be a campaigning point (it already is)

Not to mention we've lost ground troops in Afghanistan because their systems were too out of date to work with our Allies', and we needed to borrow air lift Capacity just to keep them there.

Our nation has neither the political or economic will to use our Millitary on an international stage and never has. We love to brag about our involvement in UN peacekeeping and International operations but don't want to spend the money to actually do the job. This has always been true and is never going to change.

tl/dr: :canada:

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 24, 2013

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Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Godholio posted:

Has any foreign service even signed on for the F-35B?

RAF as of June 2011. They want 48.

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