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FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Plinkey posted:

So why did they use alcohol? I assume it's resistance to Freezing?

I'm guessing resistance to freezing and low viscosity at low temperature.

Starting up hydraulics at -30 C is a total pain in the rear end when you have a big bulky system like a hatch cover, I can't imagine what it's like for something complex like an aircraft.

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FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Unicom posted:

Here's the ATC, you can hear so much shame in his voice.

"Are you sure which airport you're at?"

This is beautiful. Wish the recording quality was a touch better though.

FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Nov 21, 2013

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

slidebite posted:

Looks like the old museum 737 has passed its tests and expected to fly out of Edmonton around 2PM today.

In other news, how does this even happen?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/faux-plane-crash-sos-from-avery-s-puzzles-authorities-1.2444448

I understand that they received something that looked like an automated distress signal, but wouldn't ATC be contacted to confirm or something? I am a layperson, it sounds to me like it would have been trivial to discover if it was down or not.

I'm not familiar with aviation SAR, but in the marine mode they certainly call the operator's shore office before the planes take off. That being said, once you've reached (Or had someone reach) the guy who looks at the beacon and goes "Nope, not transmitting!", you kind of want to investigate the source of the signal.

SAR's one of those things where "Woops, used too much!" is way, way better than the opposite.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Everything about the B-36 is absolutely bonkers.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
It's certainly gone viral, it's popped at least four times on my facebook feed so far, from four different websites.

Posted by people who aren't native English speakers, at that.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Powercube posted:

Soviet Aerobus projects- why you got to be so loving crazy?

effortpost temporarily delayed due to insane amounts of new weird.

This plane needs big googly cartoon eyes and a smile.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
The Canadian Coast Guard still uses the BO-105 (They don't do SAR or EMS); they lost one in the Arctic last summer.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Phanatic posted:

The coolest part of this might be the quick-connect/release mechanism for the load.

Yeah that's way too fast to be smart.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
I'm not a pilot, so can someone explain what the gently caress this means?

quote:

11:27:51.9 HOT
[sound similar to telephone dial tone]

Did the impact knocks a phone off the hook or something?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Psion posted:

I've got a family member flying on a dash-8 in the near future. When they arrive do I offer condolences or grumble jealously?

I haven't been on one yet, though I think I've been on almost everything else Bombardier makes these days. I could write a doctoral dissertation on the CRJ passenger experience.

A Dash-8 100 or a Q400? Because there's a world of difference.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Psion posted:

Q400, should've specified.

It's ok, unless they're really tall. Can't really complain about the Q400, personally.

The 100 though, gently caress that thing.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

grover posted:

Ethiopian Airlines is part of the star alliance (with Lufthansa and United, among others) and one of the few (only?) African airlines with stringent enough safety standards to be allowed to fly into Europe. So, I'd imagine maintenance by African standards. How did compare to other airlines in Africa you've been on?

South African flies into Europe don't they?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

grover posted:

Yeah, they fly to US and Europe, too; forgot about them.

Flew JFK to Johannesburg in coach with them, best service I've ever had. Long rear end flight, though.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Polymerized Cum posted:

The newer ones are quieter, the Q400 has acoustic noise canceling.

And for short hops, Dashes are just as fast as an ERJ or CRJ. Any time gained in a faster cruise is lost in the earlier descent and slow for spacing.

A Q400 is to a Dash 8-100 what a brand new Greyhound bus is to riding in someone's enclosed pick-up bed on the highway in winter.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Wait, they did an emergency landing on the beach, tried to take off and crashed, fixed the plane and tried again? I thought they'd only tried to take off once, it's just that the video was edited that way.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Linedance posted:

the long walk from international arrivals to the dash 8 gates, that's too tight.

Do not underestimate this. If you've never done it, the walk to the Dash 8 gate is pretty loving long. Bring water and pace yourself if it's at YYZ, holy poo poo are those gates out of the way. There's no poo poo a sign that says "Last chance to buy snacks before gate XXX!" (It's a lie, there's a bagel place down that cramped little corridor)

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
There's one just down the highway.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Entone posted:

Three amazing videos of Aerial Firefighters(Bombadier 415?) reloading in Irwindale,CA.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81c_1390184217

Yeah that looks like a CL-415.

I had to double check, looks like there are still quite a few CL-215 in service, but they don't have the additional vertical stabilizers on the tail. I guess it's one of the planes LA County leases from Quebec during bush fire season.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
I'm really digging the thin little struts linking the engines and wings to the fuselage. Looks straight out of Kerbal Space Program.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

buttcrackmenace posted:

x-posted from the GBS F-35 thread


what why how I don't even

ed: not timg'd because this shitshow is just as broken as your tables

Counterpoint: Laser.

Your move. :colbert:

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Davin Valkri posted:

At this point it almost seems like it would have been better to keep pounding away at the air-superiority F-22, then retrofit ground strike improvements to that airframe later. If only because that seemed to work for the F-15 -> F-15E and the F-16 series. Or is there something very different about the two programs I'm missing?

The F-22 was very expensive and not really destined for export, the F-35 was meant as a cheaper light fighter.

Then of course cost ballooned, the F-35 is now loving expensive to the point where it might not get exported all that much.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

MA-Horus posted:

Yeah if Canada ends up buying that thing I'll eat my hat because it'll be a loving political NIGHTMARE. Though the conservative government seems hell-bent in wasting as much money as possible on defence projects, like several billion dollars for a few tenders.

Don't get me started on that loving polar icebreaker.

You know we're going to end up with the F-35, though. There's no way Harper's going to budge on that.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

St_Ides posted:

The CBC seems to think Dassault might have a chance.

I'd expect the Rafale is one of the cheaper options along with the Super Hornet, but I imagine it's still going to run in to "Buy American!" trouble.

No chance the brits would happen to have a bunch of obsolete last generation fighter jets sitting around, never been used, that we could buy for five times the price? Cause that worked out great for the navy.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

hobbesmaster posted:

I guess AF447 is kinda the airplane equivalent of the accelerator getting stuck on the floor mat of your Camry.

I bought a 2012 Camry and holy poo poo was Toyota ever eager for me to understand that if I used non-OEM floor mats I would do so at my own risk, that doing so might cause the car to suddenly speed up on its own and explode and... Like seriously, I think I had to sign two forms, it's in the owner's manual and I think they sent me a letter to remind me afterward.

Seriously, you'd think there was an epidemic of out-of-control Toyotas roaming the world's roads, what the gently caress.

Does anyone have Airbus vs Boeing accident rate comparisons?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

kmcormick9 posted:

What you really need is "System failure resulting in incident per 1000 flight hours of aircraft built after 19XX" to make an apples to apples comparison and I think Airbus would have a marginal number more.

Yeah that's what I meant by accident rate - Incidents per xxx hours of operations, since Y date.

I know Canada's TSB keeps them for every modes, but I don't think they segregate (publicly anyway) by equipment used.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Bob A Feet posted:

This is a dumb post.

You realize that all aircraft flex and bend and are designed to do so?

Ships do this, too. In fact pretty much any man-made structure bigger than a semi truck is designed so that it'll tolerate some amount of flexing.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
At this point, the words boats and ships are so denatured that I've never had anyone correct me, and I've never corrected anyone. I say this as a humongous boat sperg, too.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Gibfender posted:

Ok that's pretty awesome, must be hard keeping it upright.

Nah, you just go very slow and have at least two (if not four) ballast tanks abreast.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Looks like the cheaped out on the back half of the plane, must be an Airbus product.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
100 metric tons will sink a handysize bulk carrier by about 2/3 of an inch. Handysizes are small, the bigger ones (Chinamax) carry about 350 - 400 thousand metric tons. poo poo, 100 tons isn't ocean freighter amount of cargo, it's a rounding error. About four days worth of fuel for a 35 000 dead weight tons freighter... Enough to go about 1200 nautical miles or so.

Every time I've had someone bring up blimps as part of the supply chain, they were people with no idea of what the supply chain actually involves.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

~Coxy posted:

I thought the main promise of the airship freighters is that they will open up to extraction large areas of energy or mineral reserves that were previously economically unviable because of their remote location or inaccessibility.

Nobody is claiming they will replace ships and trains from what I've seen anyway.

The natural resource industry is pretty good at making inaccessible places accessible - they'll build airports, roads, ports, train tracks, no big deals. Plus unless you're talking about gold or diamonds, which they can just fly out by plane, 100 tons is peanuts for those guys. A smallish crude oil tanker hauls 80 000 tons, a 100 car train is what... 10 000 tons?

Plus raw materials are low value / weight cargos, nobody's going to airlift them. (Unless, again, you're talking gold or diamond or some fancy poo poo.)

Unless you meant things like helicopter loggers, but that's way too small a market to start up a blimp production line.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
You'd need a ridiculous amount of 100 ton capacity airships (which don't currently exist) to make any kind of major exploitation worthwhile.

Plus there's nothing that says they can't run the mine and stockpile while the export infrastructure is being built.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

hobbesmaster posted:

So they're sending the team to NYC in shipping crates?

Nah, that plane's going to carry the 121 million skittles.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

grover posted:

hahahaha, was that Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

Who the gently caress else would you want co-piloting your plane in the 1980's? Otto?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Wouldn't a plane with a pusher prop be a terrible system for dropping poo poo out of?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
drat, those are some nice pictures.

The F-8 was basically an inlet with wings, wasn't it?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

hobbesmaster posted:

Thats going to be rather expensive.

Yeah, isn't that where they keep the weather radar and all sorts of fancy electronics? What are the odds that got damaged?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Stealth Like posted:

They're more likely to charge the passengers for the repairs than to compensate them in any way.

Does the concept of general average exist in aviation? :getin:

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Bob A Feet posted:

Sorry but if my plane is hijacked I may do a little more than frantically try to send texts.

Such as?

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FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
If you can't hold your breath long enough to beat the poo poo out of a terrorist, you obviously don't love freedom enough to deserve to live.

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