Aeronautical Insanity: switching to secondary tolerances

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ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

So I hear this U-2 is a hard airplane to fly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eamnTyfkUBY

# ¿ Mar 15, 2010 06:34

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 21:53

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

What kind of airplane is that?

# ¿ Apr 6, 2010 21:00

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

I think the big sticking points with auto engines are the complexity of their systems, a lack of redundancy in their systems, and the lack of a guaranteed parts supply. Owners of Mooney PFM and Diamond DA-42 aircraft found out the hard way that when the automotive engine supplier no longer wants to provide parts there's nothing you can do.

# ¿ May 13, 2010 04:58

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Lilbeefer posted:

wanna see this

http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Lockheed-Martin-C-130J/1340854/L/&sid=22a2cedec5cc54b620fab9a7cd1c7f80

# ¿ Jun 26, 2010 17:23

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

chutwig posted:

Can anyone identify this plane? I was visiting an abbey in Yorkshire yesterday when this plane buzzed the abbey at a few hundred feet. Other than getting this relatively lucky shot and knowing it's not a Spitfire, I have no idea what it could be. You can faintly make out what I think are RAF roundels on each wing.

I think it's a Short Tucano.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2010 17:53

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Geoj posted:

Any idea what these are? http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=32.169389,-110.866619&spn=0.00063,0.00097&z=21 Obviously experimental aircraft of some kind, just kind of surprising to see them in a boneyard.

Looks like the Lockheed D-21/M-21 drone.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2011 01:44

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

I'd check out other aircraft on aircraftdealer.com or in the Trade-A-Plane. $7k sounds way low, I would think that if it were in flyable condition it would be worth in the $20k range on the low side, given the other aircraft of that vintage for sale.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2011 23:11

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Advent Horizon posted:

slidebite is Canadian

Kelowna also owns several type certificates, including a huge Convair 580 variant, the 5800. They're capable of doing some serious airframe modifications.

Thirteen foot stretch!

I love the 5800 and used to see them occasionally around Vancouver when I worked out at the airport.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2011 16:16

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

There was a plane crash at Vancouver airport today

. It sounds like a King Air had something go wrong and turned back part way enroute to Kelowna.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NTA204/history/20111027/2230Z/CYVR/CYLW

Pictures of the wreck:

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/gallery/html/bc_crash_111027/photo_0.html

It sounds like one person died, but there were 7-8 people who walked away.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2011 05:00

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

movax posted:

e: wow the Wiki article on the Il-76 doesn't have a mention of the Candid that crashed in Serbia carrying two Jastrebs.

I thought that this reference was it?

Wikipedia posted:

On 19 August 1996, Il-76T Spair Airlines Flight PAR-3601, crashed and exploded while trying to land at Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport killing 12 crew members

# ¿ Nov 1, 2011 00:20

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

It's about as long as a Boeing 757-200.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2011 01:13

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

The US Navy's own Human Centipede:

# ¿ Jan 4, 2012 18:00

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

blambert posted:

This is like the best / worst idea ever.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cc7_1338974625

He's posted a number of videos of his flying adventures on Youtube. Here he is having fun in crosswinds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqkSx9d1_8

# ¿ Jun 7, 2012 02:54

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Polymerized Cum posted:

Identify this aircraft, please.

Mustang II from Mustang Aeronautics

# ¿ Sep 12, 2012 20:44

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

C-130 refuelling two CH-53E's that are each carrying 2 Humvee's

(click for huge)

# ¿ Oct 2, 2012 22:57

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Gau posted:

They're close to right, the aircraft in the Expendables was a Widgeon, the big brother of the pictured Goose.

The Widgeon is the smallest of the Grumman amphibians. The one in-between the Goose and Albatross in size is the Mallard.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2012 05:17

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Phanatic posted:

The whims of Congress. ITAR is loving retarded. For a few years strong encryption was on the list as a munition, so you couldn't even send a floppy disc containing a copy of PGP overseas without risking prosecution. It's one of those things where the law's so labyrinthine and arbitrary that is is for all intents and purposes impossible to comply with it, everybody's probably in violation to some extent, and everyone occasionally gets charged with violating it.

What blows my mind about the PGP situation is that only the software was considered a munition, the source code printed on paper was not. So to export the first version of PGP outside the US they printed the source code out, mailed the source code hard copies in chunks to various people in Europe who OCR'd it back in, rebuilt it, and put it up for general international distribution.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2012 03:24

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

ctishman posted:

This gentleman seems to take things in stride.

I had the same thing happen to me when I was working on my PPL. He was descending from above and behind with an extra 10-15 knots while I was entering the control zone and came about that close to me. Neither I, my instructor were too happy about it but there wasn't anything we could do but fly the airplane.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2013 06:14

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

There's a regularly-used waterbombing Martin Mars that uses Wasp Major engines, I guess they have found some source of fuel for it?

# ¿ Jan 31, 2013 06:50

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

MrChips posted:

Also, there is a thought down the road (say, in 5-10 years or so) that when Westjet will begin renewing its fleet (almost certainly with 737MAXs) that they might abandon the -7 size and go strictly with the -8 and -9 (coincidentally, rumour has it that Westjet is soon to convert a number of their existing 737-700 and -800 orders into larger-still -900ERs), which would seriously complicate route planning if they didn't have a smaller aircraft available.

I didn't even know there was a 737-900ER and I was somewhat floored to see that it is within spitting distance of the 757-200 in terms of capacity. It's probably less entertaining (or more entertaining, depending on your vantage point) to fly at capacity from Denver than the 757 though.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2013 19:06

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Nerobro posted:

I really do wonder where mach homebuilts are. The BD-10 never broke mach.

It did break into a lot of pieces though.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2013 18:08

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Previa_fun posted:

Nothing is going to contain a turbine disk

This is a turbine disc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKB-FIpA5qs

That guy has some neat videos in his stream, including the restoration and assembly of an Orenda Iroquois engine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1NpX-tqqKk

# ¿ Mar 2, 2013 19:57

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Cygni posted:

A friend of mine is a pilot in regional jets and said they take off at something like 50% throttle because the things are so over-engined. Told me they do ridiculous take offs on ferry flights, just for shits.

That's how Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701 happened

# ¿ Apr 17, 2013 19:55

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

I always think the YC-14 looks small, like it's the size of a business jet, because the large size of the engine nacelles relative to the fuselage, but it's powered by CF6's and has an all-up weight similar to the 757.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2013 01:35

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Transporting the A-12 to Area 51

# ¿ Apr 27, 2013 23:14

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Holy gently caress :aaaaa:

It sounds like it was carrying military vehicles. Maybe one broke its tiedowns and rolled to the back?

# ¿ Apr 30, 2013 18:44

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

How about a P-51 executing an overhead break approach for your viewing pleasure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaVGIISlPsI&t=5m

# ¿ May 8, 2013 04:55

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

iyaayas01 posted:

Well I don't think the flaps are as much of a concern when you've got one of your three good engines at flight idle. FRED doesn't fly well on two engines, and it doesn't fly at all fully loaded on two engines.

e: They were still a little ways out from the runway...someone with more knowledge of heavies and/or access to a C-5 -1 can correct me if I'm wrong but when you are flying an engine out approach (or two in this case ) you generally want to keep speed up and drag to a minimum, which means minimum/no flaps setting until a landing is assured and you can slow for touchdown.

The last thing you want to do is be at full flaps while still over a mile from the runway, which is what these bozos were doing.

from the 1:45 mark posted:

A) What are you saying?
B) Why aren't we doing 145?
A) Oh, we're not? I thought we were
B) No...
A) We should be...
B) I know.
A) Just suggest it, too late now I guess
B) I don't even know where we are
A) We're final.
B) Ah poo poo.
C) Guys I'm concerned.

# ¿ May 24, 2013 05:46

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Madurai posted:

B-29 Superfortress:

I think that's a B-50.

# ¿ Jun 27, 2013 06:07

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Seph posted:

Picture of the damage. This looks pretty bad. Anyone have any idea if this is repairable?

Of course, you just drill out the rivets-oh... that's going to suck to fix.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2013 20:07

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Linedance posted:

normally, yeah, but 787... I'm curious to know what the Structural Repair Manual says. I'm going on course at the end of the year so I'm sure I'll find out.

Though the temptation is to assume it's another fault with the airframe, it's also Ethiopian. I have personally seen the poo poo they fly in and out, and suffice to say they would not be released as serviceable by any reputable airline. Their engineer is one of the nicest guys you could meet, but I wouldn't want to have his job.

Yeah, but they only received their first 787 on August 14, 2012, that's not a whole lot of time to get clapped out.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2013 20:49

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

helno posted:

I also did the air cadet program. One thing about it was that all of the students were previously licensed on gliders so we soloed less than 7 days after arriving on average.

We also spent the first four weeks on a pretty tight schedule cramming in every bit we needed to pass the MOT exam.

It would be pretty miraculous to get two weeks of good VFR weather around these parts.

Same thing here. I did not do the glider scholarship and I soloed mid-pack between all the glider graduates. It was fast, we only trained 5 days a week, but the first people finished around week 5.5 and no one more than 6.

I think it's theoretically possible to do the 40 hours of ground training and 40 hours of flight training in two weeks but I wouldn't bet on it happening.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2013 05:17

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

The local AME/A&P school has the first JetStar which only has two engines. It's kind of a neat piece of history:

# ¿ Jul 21, 2013 06:33

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Boomerjinks posted:

gently caress y'all.

I guess that answers "What would a DeHavilland Comet look like with modern turbofans?". That said it kinda looks like the "after" photos that surfaced once Carrot Top found androstenediol while shopping for new props.

Now, someone do the B-52!

# ¿ Aug 25, 2013 21:42

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Who does that F-4 in the video belong to? Are any still flying in air forces these days?

# ¿ Aug 27, 2013 23:17

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

VikingSkull posted:

I like the car analogy things. What's a Starship? I'd peg it as a Tucker.

EV-1?

Quirky, Burt Rutan owns one, and was recalled by the factory only to be destroyed?

# ¿ Aug 30, 2013 21:13

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Nebakenezzer posted:

Ads for the navy (?) used to be p. cool:

Speaking of Crusaders, here's a story about an F-8 pilot who had everything that could possibly go wrong on a ferry flight go wrong.

http://www.flightjournal.com/blog/2011/09/28/fell-15000-feet-and-lived-an-f-8-story/

He lived!

# ¿ Sep 1, 2013 23:09

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

I ended up at the Wikipedia page for the F-5, after seeing just now in this thread that the Swiss are still using it, and stumbled across this:

The Shaped Sonic Boom Demonstrator was a modified F-5E that was designed to see if looking like a kitchen utensil would make it possible to reduce the noise created by sonic booms.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2013 20:29