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Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Preoptopus posted:

You guys have a plane thread and havnt mentioned crazy Russian awesomeness yet?
Anatov 225


The An-225 sees a lot of use despite being a one-off design. It's been supplying Coalition forces in Afghanistan and has recently been involved in the Haiti airlift.

DiscoDickTease posted:

ARRR! That be the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Mount Hope, Ontario! I tend to go every year on Fathers Day to watch 'em all gently caress around. I love the sound and the smell of that 100LL exhaust fumes.

My commute last summer and fall took me by the airport every day. On November 11th I saw the entire warbird fleet flying in formation for the Rememberance Day flypasts. As I passed the airport the Lanc crossed the road right in front of me low with its gear down as it came in for a landing.

The best part of that museum is that they do maintenance right on the display floor. I was there in the winter time once and they had the Lancaster partly taken apart with all sorts access panels and cowlings removed and one Merlin out of the plane on an engine stand.

That particular Lancaster is actually Canadian built and has never been overseas. They set up a shadow factory in Malton and used Packard Merlins. They are pretty much identical to the British built examples.

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Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

DiscoDickTease posted:

Hot piss! Soooooo many Merlins!

Weeks has large sections of a Lancaster stored somewhere. Back in the eighties, before he acquired it, it was undergoing restoration to flying status when a hanger roof collapsed and crushed it.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
No, it was in the UK when it was wrecked. It's kind of a sad how fast it went from a nice looking museum piece to a pile of parts.

http://www.lancaster-archive.com/lanc_surv_kb976.htm

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Sterndotstern posted:

Watching Buzz Aldrin get kicked off of Dancing With The Stars while waiting for Lost to start last night, I realized that for every single one of those decorated badasses doing the flying and getting the glory, there's probably a 10,000 people they relied on to do THEIR jobs with the same perfection and professionalism that the drivers ultimately display.

The legion of engineers, materials scientists, machinists, mechanics, chemists and flight ops people who contributed to the existence of such a thing as the Apollo program or the SR-71, each with their own stories and heart swelling with pride at the staggering feats that would've been impossible without their particular contribution.

There used to be so many loving heroes.

Ever seen the Norman Rockwell painting Apollo Space Team? It includes a lot of those people in it along with the astronauts and is really pretty inspiring.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-UFCyrunpY

My favourite is the sound of four Merlins. I remember well one day working in the workshop and hearing this, I poke my head out the door to see it doing a banking turn over the field next door.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
The National Aviation Museum outside Ottawa had a bunch of large rare aircraft sitting outside because they couldn't get the funding to build a big enough hanger. This is what a Canadair North Star looks like when it is parked outside for 38 Canadian winters. It's still wearing the paint job that it had when it was flown in in 1966.



The North Star was a DC-4 variant built under license in Canada. Those are Rolls-Royce Merlins. This is the last one of the type still in existence. Indoor storage has since been built and a group of volunteers is working on this airplane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dis_F5gr0Os

http://vintagewings.ca/page?a=543&lang=en-CA

Second link has some detail pictures of a Merlin being restored.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
I found this photo in an old calendar I was throwing out, it's too neat not to share.



It's an Avro Lancaster about to be lifted by a Chinook in 1979 after being purchased by the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum. This bomber had spent a few decades on display outdoors in Goderich, Ontario before this and was later restored to flying status. I can't find any pictures of the lift in progress.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

cloudstrife2993 posted:

I think many of the remaining DC3s are flying around Africa. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there were some in alaska/canadian territories.

There's a reality tv show called Ice Pilots on Canadian television about an airline that still operates C47s and other vintage aircraft (Curtiss Commandos!) in the Northwest Territories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6elwdyx4GU

http://www.buffaloairways.com/

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

MA-Horus posted:

ALSO I MISSED THE FIRST HAMILTON AIR SHOW SINCE I WAS 15 OVER FATHER'S DAY FUUUUUUUUCK The Canadian Warplane Heritage has one of two flying Avro Lancasters and the show got shut down years ago because of loving stupid hippies and "blah blah IT'S A WAR SHOW blah blah" and I'm sad because I'm in Korea and only see ROK and USAF F-15/F-16s turning and burning out of Gwangju and Busan :(

It was good. It was much more focused on vintage warbirds than it had been before. I found some highlights on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjBdSsqIeM8

One sight I really wish I had gotten a picture of - the Hurricane was taxiing past the crowd with the pilot waving when the Lancaster did a low fly-by behind him.

The demise of the Hamilton Air show ten years ago was mostly because of skyrocketing insurance rates post 9/11, I think that's what also killed the London, Ontario air show. (I do remember those hippies, though. What a bunch of tools).

Fornax Disaster fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jun 21, 2011

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Nebakenezzer posted:



This Lancaster still exists (FM104), it spent 35 years on a plinth in Toronto and is now being restored for static display. Unfortunately the space they're using is at the Canadian Air & Space Museum which is being evicted by its landlord.

http://avrolancasterfm104.com/

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

It's good to see that Argus indoors. It was decaying outdoors for decades because they didn't have hangar space for it. Was the Northstar in there somewhere too?



I had an unusual aviation experience this weekend. I was working in the workshop and heard a loud airplane. When I went outside to look I saw a Harvard doing an Immelmann turn overhead. I watched it do five or six more in a row before it headed out of view.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Boomer The Cannon posted:


Is this the Lysander from Hamilton, at the Warplane Heritage Museum?

Yes. I've seen it out flying a few times. There are some photos of the restoration here:

http://www.warplane.com/vintage-aircraft-collection/aircraft-history.aspx?aircraftId=37

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Boomer The Cannon posted:

I love that museum. Is the BlenheimBolingbrooke close to flying condition yet?

They've been saying 2015 or 2016. They've been working on it since before I first started going to the museum in the mid eighties so what's another few years. It's a very ambitious project, I think they may have actually had new wing spars made. They have the fuselage, wing centre section and landing gear restored. I think they're working on engines and the outer wings now.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum has held an auction for a passenger seat on their Lancaster's trip to Britain this summer. A guy from England won it for $79000.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4514403-seat-on-hamilton-s-avro-lancaster-fetches-79-100/

the Spec posted:

Then on Aug. 4, he will join seven others — five crew and two members of a documentary film team — aboard the Lanc. After taking off from Hamilton, the warplane will make overnight stops in Newfoundland, Greenland and Iceland before finally landing in Prestwick, Scotland. It's expected they'll be in the air for 18 hours.

I hope he brings ear protection.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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Best part is 7 min in. Hey, let's gun the engines to drive up onto the beach and just park it next to that truck. Then the passengers disembark using a hardware store step ladder.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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Naturally Selected posted:

The second I will almost guarantee is from Chechnya. The third is from a massive tank graveyard in Chita, Russia (couldn't find a link offhand aside from io9 http://io9.com/these-abandoned-tanks-are-rusting-mementoes-of-the-wars-1100567629). Fourth and sixth ( I think they're from the same area) are from a deprecated AF training base near Moscow (http://smartnews.ru/photostream/3247.html).

Second to last is a Japanese H8K2 on Makin Island. Last picture may be a more recent photo of the same plane, it's still there.

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/h8k/makin.html

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
A medevac chopper landed on Highway 402 after a white out pileup today, then another snow squall rolls in and kept it from taking off. Articles don't say how long it was stuck there.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Are the bright orange parts sticking out of nose and wrapped around the wing from the runway approach lights?

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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Relevant to both the development of the Avro Arrow and to airplanes with bizarre engine mountings -



A borrowed B-47 was used as a test bed for the Iroquois engine.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

CommieGIR posted:

One of the few flying Lancasters made an emergency landing after the #4 engine malfunctioned and had a small fire. All safe.





This is one of two flyable Lancasters, it's the other one that had something similar happen last year during it's visit to the UK. They had to borrow an engine from the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight to complete the tour and get back home. Proving that Packard Merlins and Rolls Royce Merlins will interchange if you really need them to.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
I found one on ebay but they don't know what it is either.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Metal-Airplane-Seaplane-Sculpture-Military-Model-4-Propeller-Amphibious-/321816107283

I was thinking it might be off one of those 1940s airplane ashtrays (I have one with a DC-3 on top), but the ebay one just has a simple swoopy stand.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
There are only three Handley Page Halifax bombers left. Two of those have been pulled out of Norwegian lakes. The third was built from sections of different aircraft.

This is video of the other salvaged bomber shortly after recovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MucwMoQMpn0

It's in the National Air Force Museum of Canada in Trenton. They decided to fully restore it.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Some obscure misfit transports in there. The Avro York, which was basically a Lancaster mated with a box car, and a Handley Page Hastings, inexplicably built postwar with a tail wheel undercarriage.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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StandardVC10 posted:

The engines considered for the Hawker Typhoon were the Rolls-Royce Vulture, an "X" block engine (so basically four inline sixes sharing a crankshaft) or the Napier Sabre, with an "H" block engine (basically two flat-twelves kinda chained together. Sleeve valves, too.) If anyone has more specific information, both of them sound totally loving bonkers.

The Vulture had problems with rod bearing failures and would shoot pistons out the sides of the block. The Avro Manchester was powered by two Vultures and had an absolutely terrifying loss rate and had to be withdrawn from operations. They redesigned it to use four Merlins, becoming the Lancaster.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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ehnus posted:

Hanging the dolly off the back makes it really hard for moving sea planes that are parked on land as you spend all your time looking out the back, plus it makes it more difficult to line up with the spreaders when picking it out of the water.

Putting it out front and leaving the back wheels on means it can't steer.

The Olds Toronado was sometimes used for this, as it was body-on-frame V8 FWD.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.


Ad on the back of the March 1960 issue of National Geographic.

The same issue has an article about the 1959 Kilauea Iki eruption. It says commercial planes would detour off their routes and circle the volcano during the eruption to give passengers a view of the 1700 foot lava plume. This practice was stopped after a windshield got cracked by pumice.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
Whether you want to visit exotic destinations or just drop nukes on them, Convair has you covered!

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

holocaust bloopers posted:

That owns so hard

There's just one of these left. It sat outdoors for three or four decades at the aviation museum in Ottawa, a restoration project is now underway. I don't think they intend to fly it, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dis_F5gr0Os

One of the civil operators of the North Star was BOAC. They called it the Argonaut.



Nebakenezzer posted:

Another aircraft built under licence (this time, De Havilland Canada) was the Grumann S-2 Tracker. Made to replace Grumann Avengers on Canada's aircraft carrier, the S-2s outlasted the HMCS Bonaventure to anti-submarine it up into the 1970s. Slowly withdrawn from ASW duties, they were used for more general maritime patrol into the 1990s.



The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum have one of Bonaventure's Trackers and are restoring it to flight.

Edit: Operating jets off a 700 foot flight deck looks kinda hairy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOxsiJdl7so

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Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Nebakenezzer posted:

This is from wikipedia (so take with the normal salt) but apparently American Banshee pilots refused to land on the Bonaventure because it was shorter than what they were used to. The Banshees were retired in 1962 and the carrier was used as a pure ASW platform after that. The Bonaventure was retired under Trudeau the 1st, (as is tradition, just after the carrier had received a major mid-life refit) and since a replacement would have meant a larger carrier for lots more money, that was the end of that.

I think the Aussies operated several sister ships to the Bonaventure, the HMAS Sydney and the Melbourne. The latter was at the end of its life sold in the 1980s for scrapping to China, who kept it instead and studied it as part of their carrier ambitions.


India's Vikrant was another sister ship. It wasn't scrapped until fairly recently.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Odd planes of the RCAF

I found a book in the library, "The Canadian Air Force today", published around 1988. Looking through it, it paints a nice picture of the RCAF at the end of the cold war. It also reminded me Canada's air force has flown some interesting and odd aircraft.

This is the one by Larry Milberry? He wrote a lot of insanely detailed books about Canadian aviation, like a 250 page hardcover book just about the North Star.
I have a few. Sixty Years is a very good general history of the RCAF. Canadair The First Fifty Years is full of assembly line photos of stuff like the Argus.

http://www.canavbooks.com/publications/

Fornax Disaster fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Feb 14, 2016

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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Nebakenezzer posted:

Haha, yes, it is by Mr. Milberry. A 250 page book on just the North Star sounds hardcore.

I actually read the whole thing too.





helno posted:

The audio book edition should just be 4 hours of 4 Merlins running at high power.

"In the cabin, noise is reduced to 102 decibels near the windows and 93 at the aisle."

By the end your tinnitus is so bad you want to cut your own ears off.

This is BOAC's fix for the cabin noise issues. They designed a heavy complex assembly of crossover piping that carried the exhaust from the inboard side of the engine to the outboard side.



Trans Canada Airlines' rig for doing engine ground testing.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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Nebakenezzer posted:



The above one is especially notable to me, because the picture was taken at 'Torbay Airport' - later to become St. John's International.


FM213 is the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum Lanc.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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Since it's in the UK it might well have originally been a Harvard.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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freelop posted:

Couple of years back it flew over to the UK to do shows with the other Lancaster.

Managed to see it during a display involving an orchestra playing the dambusters theme as they flew over.

Warning: potato phone vertical video

There's a good documentary about that called Reunion of Giants.

Last weekend the National Aviation Museum held the most Canadian aviation event possible. They screened Reunion of Giants to raise money for the restoration of the Canadair North Star, with Bob Pearson, pilot of the Gimli Glider as the moderator of the Q and A with Lancaster pilots afterward.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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CWHM's Lysander had to land in a wheat field after an engine failure, no injuries. It looks like it ground looped from the photo in the article.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6730287-second-world-war-plane-makes-emergency-landing-in-cayuga/

Edit: They have photos of the recovery on their Facebook page now.

https://www.facebook.com/CanadianWarplaneHeritageMuseum/

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Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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A yellow Twin Otter flew over the yard today at a few hundred feet, it was flying a mow the lawn sort of pattern. I'd never seen one in the area before. It looks like it was bombing the area with rabies vaccine.

https://news.ontario.ca/mnr/en/2016/03/ontario-resuming-rabies-vaccination-bait-drops.html

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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superdylan posted:

I flew out to Dulles a few years ago and was super bummed that even though I could see Udvar-Hazy from my hotel, I never got a chance to go. Well, I finally fixed that by timing my visit with the RAF 100th anniversary fly-in where they had a Lancaster, B-25 and some other warbirds park outside so you could climb aboard and take pictures. Of course I didn't realize any of this was happening until I had to leave for my return flight and the line to get outside was already an hour or more :( Can't really complain I guess, the amount of Interesting poo poo on display was already off the charts.

They've put up a video of that RAF100 event, it's really well shot although seems to turn into an ad for the f-35 at the very end. Worth watching for the Lancaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3Vp_sreG8

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

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babyeatingpsychopath posted:

The old mechanic at our shop pulled out his old sheetmetal toolbox and had these stickers on it. These are from when he was at SAC back in the 50s.


I have this same sticker!



It was actually made by the Constellation Group, a restoration group out of Arizona that no longer exists. They had a flyable Super Constellation they restored in MATS markings that they toured airshows with back in the 90s. I bought the sticker from the souvenir table they set up next to the plane at the Hamilton Ontario Airshow. This would be like twenty years ago when they still did full scale international airshows there.

That plane no longer flies, it was sold and is now in static display in South Korea.

http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-mats_connie_korea.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXYuufuVu8

So not actually from the 50s, but pretty cool to have anyway.

Edit: In that article I posted one of the old guys has a shirt with that design on it.

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Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

I was watching it from my balcony just now. It's a fixture of summer time around here in that it can just appear on any random Saturday. You hear it before you see it, of course.

They had one of the Dwarves from The Hobbit up for a ride in it earlier today, according to their Facebook page.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
One of Tyndall AFB's gate guardians tried to fly one last time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML_Vn0FF6lM&t=8s

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Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

PainterofCrap posted:

Waterskiing Texans are A Thing.



Speaking of T-6s/Harvards, I was working in the workshop one weekend when I heard a loud prop plane. I go outside and there's a Harvard in RCAF trainer yellow right over the yard fairly high up. It starts to climb into loop. At the top of the loop it was inverted and then did a half roll so that was pointed back the way it came, it had performed an Immelman turn. It did four more Immelmans before flying off. It was as awesome to listen to as to watch with that distinctive engine sound those have.

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