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Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!
Noted!

Also, I’m guessing I should bite the bullet and update the DNS registrant info to my client, away from their old IT contact? I know it’ll put a lock on the domains, but I’m guessing it’s a better longterm solution.

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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

I have an old Lithium Hosting account I use for the sole purpose of hosting email addresses for myself and my dad. There is a 4gb storage limit and I am rapidly approaching it. Is there another service I should consider for hosting email with my own domain? I'm mainly interested in cheap and don't need much storage.

WHERE MY HAT IS AT
Jan 7, 2011
Fastmail would be my standard recommendation at $8/month for a two-person plan. 50GB of mail storage each.

fuf
Sep 12, 2004

haha
Yeah I can confirm that Fastmail is a reliable provider.

I've also been using https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/service-mail for the last year or so and they have been reliable.

It's one of those services like zoho where they're trying to sell you on an entire "suite" of products, but you can boil it down to just email once you learn how it all works.

It's incredibly cheap too: like 0.3 euros per user per month for mailboxes without size limits. I charge clients like £9/month for email accounts so it works out well for me.

I still find email hosting stressful though and wish I didn't have to do it. I'm tempted to move everything to Microsoft 365 just to make sure it's really reliable and stable.

Does anyone use a 365 business account to host multiple email accounts for distinct domains / separate clients? I'm worried it's going to treat everyone as part of the same "organisation" and I don't want there to be any leakage between the different clients.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365/business#layout-container-uid4d2d

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!



You can do it, it's a pain, and Microsoft will probably break something in the config with some feature upgrade and you'll be emergency fix it mode.

So it's not worth it.

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.
FWIW, and I don't even know if this is recommend or not anymore, but for years I had 20+ users on a hosted RackSpace Exchange account, but I've long moved passed that (for reasons that have nothing to do with bad service/reliability/anything bad/etc). YMMV :cheers:

mewse
May 2, 2006

fuf posted:

Does anyone use a 365 business account to host multiple email accounts for distinct domains / separate clients? I'm worried it's going to treat everyone as part of the same "organisation" and I don't want there to be any leakage between the different clients.

This probably isn't very helpful but our IT vendor manages our M365 services and doesn't seem to have any problem keeping our M365 tenant separate from all their other clients. I'm not sure what level of partner you have to be with Microsoft to be able to do this, if you google M365 MSP there's probably a bunch of info out there.

aioli is just mayo
Aug 14, 2003

He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced by necessity, neither desiring it nor transgressing its limit, there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful
Been using Lithium over a decade for several business sites and I'm really happy with it. It's inexpensive as well. Thanks Darklotus.

DarkLotus
Sep 30, 2001

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aioli is just mayo posted:

Been using Lithium over a decade for several business sites and I'm really happy with it. It's inexpensive as well. Thanks Darklotus.

Thanks for the support! Crazy, this August will be 19 years :D

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with



Grimey Drawer
Also have been on Lithium for what feels like forever and I have zero complaints.

DarkLotus
Sep 30, 2001

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Canine Blues Arooo posted:

Also have been on Lithium for what feels like forever and I have zero complaints.

It does feel like forever :D
Thanks for the comment!!

Aware
Nov 18, 2003
I opened my dreamhost account in December 2006. I hardly use it anymore so should drop it but damned if I don't want to hit 20 years lol. That'll be $2,388 USD for 20 years of unlimited transfer and later storage hosting, not terrible.

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

It's worth noting that there is no point in storing a secondary payment method on Lithium - if your default payment expires, having another card (or two) as payment methods won't use them and they'll cancel your account and remove your DNS settings even if you've registered the domain through them. All over a $2 account.

They're usually bulletproof but this policy makes no sense at all. Either only allow for 1 payment method or instead of terminating an account, attempt the other stored payment methods. I guess my other methods are just there, waiting for a data breach.

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.
To be fair, I’m pretty sure it spams you with emails about upcoming renewal. But yeah, the “sitting there waiting for a data breach” made me giggle :v:

Li seems pretty secure. The “manifest” shenanigans with LiPanel is maddening though, with how secure it wants to be if you’re running anything other than Wordpress or a few other “popular” web apps. For instance, it would chown back dokuwiki and the whole thing is flat file :v:

e: fixed.

eightysixed fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Aug 5, 2025

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

Yeah, I got the warnings, put in a new card the month before, processed a payment with that card so it works, then thought the notifications would be for the card that had expired but that it would treat the others as a backup payment. Removing a dead payment method wasn't exactly on the top of my list of things to do when another one or two methods are stored.

DarkLotus
Sep 30, 2001

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30-day no risk Free Trial &
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sellouts posted:

It's worth noting that there is no point in storing a secondary payment method on Lithium - if your default payment expires, having another card (or two) as payment methods won't use them and they'll cancel your account and remove your DNS settings even if you've registered the domain through them. All over a $2 account.

They're usually bulletproof but this policy makes no sense at all. Either only allow for 1 payment method or instead of terminating an account, attempt the other stored payment methods. I guess my other methods are just there, waiting for a data breach.

This isn't a Lithium specific thing, this is just how WHMCS handles credit cards.
Automatic payments only use the card you mark as default for payments. Imagine if the system randomly selected a card for payment...
This is typically true for most online services that allow multiple cards.
Merchants cannot charge a card without authorization, so if you don't mark one as default, we cannot default a payment to it but they can be used for one-off payments manually by you.

There's no risk of compromise of card data, all card data is sent to Stripe via JavaScript in your browser which means our server, network and billing system never see anything other than an expiry date and card last 4.
Stripe returns a token, that token is used with our private key to process recurring payments. You could have a dozen cards on file and never use more than 1 and those cards would never be at risk of compromise. This is how we've handled payments for over a decade.

This is what mine looks like:
code:
{"customer":"cus_Iz3m0Xx3RZxH27","method":"pm_1RZexzL0KTbYXx3iMXK4U96o"}
The cus_id is your customer profile with Stripe, and the pm_id is the payment method.
That data is unusable by anyone, so if ever there was a breach, there would be no card data disclosed.

I'm sorry your service was terminated due to non-payment, but it was after 14 days with no contact from you after receiving several notices and warnings including suspension.

nem
Jan 4, 2003

panel.dev
apnscp: cPanel evolved

eightysixed posted:

The “manifest” shenanigans with LiPanel is maddening though

It's possible to assign a PHP pool to any user on the account beyond the primary user now under Web > PHP Pools. This allows a situation where the account admin has 2FA and solely panel access, every other user (mail, PHP, Node, Python, Ruby, Go) can operate as a secondary, unprivileged user. Next release will allow multiple PHP pools per account, so you could further refine that by having a dedicated user for DokuWiki - that's not admin - and have another user for elsewhere on your account.

fuf
Sep 12, 2004

haha
One of my hosting clients (I host a basic website and a couple of mailboxes) has started using this third party cloud-hosted app to handle a part of their business. It's totally separate from the website and email I provide.

The app company has asked for SMTP details so that the app can send email. When I questioned this they said:

"We host the [app] database and the [app] Android Service for our apps on our 365 Cloud server, but for them to be able to send emails from [app], they have to use their own email account details.  We do not provide or maintain an email account for them."

This seems super weird to me. If they're providing a cloud-hosted app, why can't they just use 365 to send emails? If they want to use the main domain as the "from" address, I can add any spf etc. DNS records they need...

Am I wrong that this is weird?

I'm reluctant to give them SMTP details for a mailbox on my server because I have no idea wtf this random app is gonna be using it for. They've already talked about attaching PDFs to each email.

What is the cheapest / simplest SMTP account / email service I can sign up for and give them the details for?

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Rawrbomb
Mar 11, 2011

rawrrrrr

fuf posted:

One of my hosting clients (I host a basic website and a couple of mailboxes) has started using this third party cloud-hosted app to handle a part of their business. It's totally separate from the website and email I provide.

The app company has asked for SMTP details so that the app can send email. When I questioned this they said:

"We host the [app] database and the [app] Android Service for our apps on our 365 Cloud server, but for them to be able to send emails from [app], they have to use their own email account details.  We do not provide or maintain an email account for them."

This seems super weird to me. If they're providing a cloud-hosted app, why can't they just use 365 to send emails? If they want to use the main domain as the "from" address, I can add any spf etc. DNS records they need...

Am I wrong that this is weird?

I'm reluctant to give them SMTP details for a mailbox on my server because I have no idea wtf this random app is gonna be using it for. They've already talked about attaching PDFs to each email.

What is the cheapest / simplest SMTP account / email service I can sign up for and give them the details for?
They should ideally be using sendgrid, mailchimp, or whatever aws email services provide. Azure doesn't do email like that, but can get an o365 account to send email from as well, which would work for smpt too.

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