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sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

optikalus: which host are you?

I'd like someone to talk about colocation costs... is 1 amp enough for a basic 1U server with two hard drives? 95% billing scares me - if I exceed my allotted bandwidth for just enough time I could be on the hook for huge overage charges, right? I'd rather have a set amount of transfer per month or a set maximum bandwidth (say 2mbps) and not even be ABLE to exceed it. Is that possible?

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sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

JHVH-1 posted:

I work at http://www.choopa.com
We do mostly managed servers, and mostly adult sites. A lot of porno tube streaming video applications, and that kind of thing.

We don't do CPanel virtual accounts anymore, but if you want to run your own CPanel server we sell it as an add-on.

We also run http://unmeteredservers.com for unmanaged customers who want a capped speed port and not worry about how 95th percentile or transfer per month.

I don't suspect a lot of people here to be that interested as we aren't a goon priced type of place that sells hosting for $10/month.

unmeteredservers.com pricing actually seems pretty good, but I wish they had colocation as an option. I'd rather provide my own hardware.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

optikalus posted:

Where would you like to house your gear? I know most of the cheaper colos in the US that do single-server colocation. Also, what's your budget?

As close to Buffalo, NY as possible, ideally. Budget is low, $50-80/mo, depending on where it is and what I'm getting.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

optikalus posted:

WHT has been *the* place to find good deals on single-server colocation.

They do look like a great resource for this, thanks for looking for me!

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Centipeed posted:

Are there any cheap and decent (For low traffic and low space needs) web hosts in the UK?

I host my websites in the US, but my dad wants to host a website in the UK, so I told him I'd look into it.

I pay $10 a year for my US hosting, have never had a problem, and apart from space and bandwidth, get unlimited everything (Add-on addresses, databases etc.)

I know I'll be paying more in the UK, but is there anything for £20-£30 a year that doesn't restrict something? Easily.co.uk do a package for £24.99 a year that would be fine if they didn't allow only one MySQL Database.

Check these few:

http://www.ukvaluecomputing.co.uk/web-hosting/bronze_plan.php
https://www.exoware.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=1 (this one is only 5 quid with code "FIVER" when signing up, probably goes to up 23.40/yr after that.)
http://www.studyhost.co.uk/ (Use code "FailOffer for 25% off, plans starting under 10 pounds a year)

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

auruspex posted:

I'll jump on this bandwagon too and mention that I work for HostDime (as well as SurpassHosting), along with a few other goons. Can we get added to the OP as well? HostDime does Shared, Reseller, VPS, Dedicated, and Colocated Servers out of our main Orlando, FL Datacenter as well as our 6 other locations throughout the world. Surpass Hosting (surpasshosting.com) does Shared, Reseller, VPS, and Dedicated via our Orlando Datacenter as well as our space in the UK.

Thanks!

HostDime has an anti-IRC policy, which is pretty ridiculous. But you allow game servers, which makes so much sense, right?

Game servers: High bandwidth, high cpu, target of attack
IRC: extremely low bandwidth, low cpu, target of attack MAYBE if you're doing shady crap.

Asinine.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

Most of the VPS hosts I've seen forbid IRC. Burst.Net autoscans for "ircd.conf" and warns anybody with it that they need to remove it immediately. Note that I only look at cheap (<$15/mo) plans. High end servers will allow more.

Hell, ServerOrigin takes it one step farther:

I'm not even talking about running irc servers just IRC in general. Although I think banning ircds is lame as well. Ban the abusers not the entire idea.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

An IRC server that gets hit with a DDoS would be a problem.


Banning IRC clients is dumb. You can always try the "Run it and hope they don't find it" method.

There are tons of private tiny little IRC networks that barely get any activity, let alone attacks. There are tons of IRC channels on major networks that are not attack magnets as well.

The policy is beyond stupid.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Stacie posted:

IRC is more prone to abuse and requires semi-open shell access.

Plus monitoring/upkeep of an IRC server is more complicated.

Completely different ball game.

These are virtual private servers and dedicated servers which by default have wide open shells and root access. What is so hard about maintaining an IRCD? Not that maintenance of services has ANYTHING to do with the host. It's completely up to the customer. Not the host's problem.

And besides that, I'm not even talking about running an IRCD.

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Apr 28, 2010

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Stacie posted:

I'm not sure why you are arguing with somebody who runs a shell hosting company for over 7 years.

Virtual private servers and dedicated servers do not share users with open shell access on the same machine. Again completely different ball game.

I never said it's hard to maintain IRCD.

I said that it's hard to maintain IRC server, as in a server that offers IRC friendly shell accounts.

I'm sure from user perspective everything looks very easy, you add users to a server and go lay on the beach; but that's not the case in the real world application.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about... I think we're talking about different things. IRCD = IRC Server = Server to which users connect in order to chat in IRC channels.

Shell accounts offering IRC access for things like bnc and eggdrop bots are completely different. I would never want to run a service like that.

edit: I would believe you if you told me the majority of those "shell accounts" are abused, but I don't think most VPS (at least higher end ones)/Dedi/Colo users are intending to get into shady bullshit with their expensive servers.

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Apr 28, 2010

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

I don't mean to poo poo up the thread, I think it's relevant discussion, but I apologize if I am.

IRC is important to me, yes. I use it daily. If I'm paying money for a dedicated server then I expect to be able to do anything that I want with it, as long as it's legal and not causing problems for my host.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Stacie posted:

I think we were initially talking about a different things; 'shady' users will mostly use VPS to host IRCd servers for sole purpose of connecting and controlling infected computers on the network.

While VPS services do cost more, for a serious 'shady' user it's a non-issue since they are probably doing this professionally.

Most of quality shell hosting companies (as far as I know) actively track and detect such abuse on shared shell servers which forces such users to look elsewhere.

Furthermore; offering IRC access on 'high end' servers attracts another headache called 'fraud'; the same users that need IRC will commit fraud and cost your company tons of overhead and financial burden.

Not to miss another factor that comes into play: when you are offering IRC access you will have to separate network segments for web and IRC, plus have tons of incoming bandwidth along with proper mitigation hardware in place. That costs a lot of money.

While it's true you can just throw both services together; once somebody on IRC segment get's attacked you will be loosing web customers left and right (which is not that great :))

If you want to be condescending and talk to me like I have no experience with this stuff, that's fine, but realize this:

1) Not all IRC users are fraudsters/hackers/malignant in any way.
2) I'm not even talking about running an ircd
3) You can do illegal poo poo by http too (kiddie porn, satellite hacking forums, carding forums, etc etc etc etc) so why don't you shut down http traffic too?

ALL I am saying is that it is ridiculous to block an entire protocol because of a few bad apples. I have a real credit card, in my name, and I want to give you money, but you won't take it because I like to idle in IRC channels about math, electronics, and photography. That's not that great either. It's your company though and if you'd like to continue on with ridiculous beliefs that anyone with an interest in IRC is going to gently caress you over, that's your right.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

R1CH posted:

The simple fact is that IRC has a long history of attracting DDoS and other bad things. Why risk downtime for your entire host or datacenter over one guy on an IRC channel? It has nothing to do with running a server too, I've seen a number of IRC clients get attacked because of dumb stuff: someone didn't like their nickname, was pissed off at the person, wanted to show off, etc.

There are providers out there who do allow IRC with an X strikes rule (eg if you get targeted X times you're gone), just search around. The majority of small hosts simply aren't permitted to run it by their datacenter.

Actually I have zero problems finding IRC friendly hosts. There are tons of them; I would call them the majority. That's another reason I don't really understand no-IRC policy of some. I guess they had a really bad experience and are reacting to the extreme.

I have no problems with a host booting you right off their network if you are causing any kind of problems. In your scenario, "X strikes rule," I would set X = 1.


Arcana: A lot of shared hosts will fit the bill for you. I am using Site5 and I have had no problems with them. They're one of those "unlimited everything!!" shared hosts but for your specs I think it will be ok. Check the shared hosting links in the OP too. Some are goon-run and have goon specials. Shop around there is no shortage of shared hosting companies.

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Apr 29, 2010

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/04/prweb3895124.htm

Same company, right?

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Bob Morales posted:

That's written by the marketing department, it's not a news article.

I know but I guess it seems weird to me that a small private company would feel the need to issue a grandiose press release if they're actually failing. They could just keep quiet and potential/current customers wouldn't know the difference, right?

Not that I have ANY knowledge of their situation either way, of course.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

They're not accepting new customers at the moment anyways.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Biowarfare posted:

General consensus is "anything, even a pile of dog crap, is a better domain registrar than 1and1"

fixed that for you

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Why do dedicated servers generally come with hard drives smaller than you can even buy anymore? From what I've seen, they're just consumer SATA drives and you'd think for what decent dedicated boxes cost they could throw in a $60 1tb hard drive.

I could understand if they were enterprise quality drives but they generally are not.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Bob Morales posted:

Anyone else have reviews of other low-price VPS providers? I was thinking about buying a 256MB VPS from either Host90 or VirtualSRV (or someone else from https://www.lowendbox.com) to play around with. That site has a forum but nobody talks about actually doing anything with their VPS except collecting them or running speedtests.

collecting ... VPS? :raise:

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006


haha amazing.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

wanderlost posted:

Anyone out there using Amazon's EC2 & S3 as web host?
I've been a dream host customer for 5 years now, and while I don't have any complaints, I don't trust them to hold up under load spikes. Amazon's free tier looks very attractive to me for this purpose, especially considering my site is just image files, javascript and html.

Free tier only lasts a year.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

wanderlost posted:

I thought that one big advantage of ECC was how quickly more servers could be provisioned. I don't think I'm going to get a lot of traffic, 99% of the time, but when those spikes come, being able to add more servers, on demand, with only an hourly commitment should take care of this no?

I.E. I take some fantastic photograph that everyone wants to download. I can add 4 more micro instances 24/7 for a whole week for $21.

Am I misunderstanding something?

Yeah, the part you're missing is that load balancing doesn't just happen automagically. So you spin up another instance... now what?

Also, don't forget that you pay for bandwidth and storage in addition to compute time.

edit: Honestly, EC2 is a fairly ridiculous way to serve a relatively low volume static content website.

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Sep 11, 2011

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Moey posted:

I have heard this a ton, but what is the downfall of registering domains through them?

Having to deal with them and their absolutely ridiculous website. If that's not enough of a downside for you then you probably only have 1 domain or something. Or really low standards.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Quodio Stotes posted:

Complete rookie here. I was wondering there is specific domain name I want but it is being "parked" by godaddy. Only godaddy ads all over it. On the Godaddy main page it say I can "domain name backorder" for $20 which seems kind of stupid/questionable. Is there anyway I can contact the person who owns the rights to the address to hand it odd/ how can I get my hands on the name (it is not an interesting or "hot" domain name at all).

Look it up on whois.net to get contact information for the domain. You want to use the top one, "WHOIS Lookup"

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

How much RAM do I realistically need on a debian 6 VPS to host some static sites and a mediawiki with a very small number of users/viewers?

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

I have one of the $10/yr OpenVZ VPSs at buyvm.net for messing around with. It has 128mb guaranteed/256mb burstable. I installed mediawiki, apache2, mysql, php, and whatever else (using apt). It shot up to 255mb used and the wiki was barely accessible. I am told this might have something to do with OpenVZ being a pile of poo poo, though.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

I want Mediawiki :)

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Saoshyant posted:

Considering this is a hosting megathread and there's no thread specific for domain registrars, I thought about making one for my question, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so let's try here first.

Question: What is a good place to get a cheap .bz domain? Last year I wanted to make a professional email address for my clients, and .bz (Belize) was actually the only place I found that still had available my three-letter name. I registered it for 10 bucks at domainsite.com and was incredibly happy.

But I'm not happy now that, apparently, renewals at this registrar cost 25 dollars instead of 10, so I'll have to start paying 25 every year just to keep my work email, and this sucks cocks. Considering .bz isn't that popular I don't know where to look. Do you guys have any suggestion where I can transfer my current domain for cheaper than 25 dollars?

vvvv I'll obviously want to go cheaper if possible, but 5 dollars less is a start.

Are you really that worried about $2/month for your business?

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

In case you GoDaddy users or prospective GoDaddy users needed any more reason to switch or not use them, those assholes are supporting SOPA.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Rufo posted:

Bundlebox addresses are valid addresses you can have poo poo mailed to, hth

Bundlebox costs $15 just to sign up and seems geared towards re-shipping packages to countries other than the US for huge sums of money, hth.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

I just pay the $1/yr or whatever it is for whoisguard and I have no problem with that. I don't need the complication of adding yet another service and layer of abstraction to things.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Also, GoDaddy, the poo poo heels that they are, have instantly caved to the pressure and reversed their stance on SOPA. Hilarious. What a bad company.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

mediawiki

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Combat Pretzel posted:

Anyone in Europe looking for a cheap dedicated host, altho unmanaged, check out Hetzner.de. I've had a box there for three years now, went to upgrade mine today. 49€ a month for a Core i7-2600, 16GB DDR3 and 2x 3TB in a software RAID1. 25€/month extra for Windows Server 2008.

Their site says 8gb and 2x750gb. Still a good price for those specs.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Ah, thanks. Wow.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

I am not white-knighting dreamhost, but going by a sales rep's word and not reading the TOS was not wise on your part.

The good news is that you can still use cheap shared webhosting for actual websites, staying in line with the TOS, and get a cheap VPS for your file sharing needs. Or use the VPS for everything.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

VerySolidSnake posted:

I talked with a representative of the company about what I needed and my exact plans for using their service. They green lighted it. How the hell are you spinning this to my fault? Why would I check the TOS for those terms when a representative whose job is to know the TOS inside out told me it was ok?


The cop tells you it's ok to go 8 mph over, then pulls you over. Now we're on the same page.

How about you go into a movie theater, buy a ticket, then sit down to watch the movie. The terms on the ticket say you can be kicked out if you are wearing a hat. You were wearing a hat the entire time, the person that sold you the ticket saw you wearing the hat, but they kick you out halfway through the movie. How is that for an analogy?

You really need to relax and use this as a learning experience. There is a very clear consensus here that the responsibility to understand the TOS that you agreed to is yours and yours alone.

Sales people are not necessarily technically savvy and they may stretch the truth or even outright lie to you to get a sale. Now you know this firsthand and you are better off because of it.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

VerySolidSnake posted:

The websites were not personal backups. It was a full website with files, logins, everything displayed with HTML. There were email notifications sent out and a public facing login page. Reading this section without talking to the representative I still would of still created the websites.

Like any TOS, it protects the company far more than the consumer, and the loose wording can be interpreted in a million ways to protect themselves.

The only learning experience and takeaway is to never use Dreamhost again.

You're a little dense. Let me help you:

quote:

Personal Backups

With the exception of DreamHost Dedicated Server products, the customer agrees to make use of DreamHost Web Hosting servers primarily for the purpose of hosting a website, and associated email functions. Data uploaded must be primarily for this purpose. DreamHost Web Hosting servers are not intended as a data backup or archiving service. DreamHost Web Hosting reserves the right to negotiate additional charges with the Customer and/or the discontinuation of the backups/archives at their discretion. If you exceed your allocated transfer bandwidth for a month, you will be billed at the rate of $1 per additional 10GB.

The bold parts are what you need to pay attention to. I hope I've cut it down enough that you can understand it.

One would think that in your 7 years as a customer, you would read the policies you agreed to. One would also think that after violating the policy for 7 years you would understand that you finally got nicked for it and take it in a mature fashion, rather than having a tantrum about it.

I have read a bunch of shared hosting agreements. Certainly not ALL of them but at least a dozen or so, and all of those have had the same policy. No files not related to the actual website. A folder full of random binaries in a cache directory does not meet this requirement.

In the future, read what you are agreeing to and abide by the rules. Or violate them, but know that you are exposing yourself to action by the host to stop the violations from happening.

edit: I would also like to respond to your claim that the TOS protects the company more than the customer. First of all, no poo poo. Second, that particular clause protects all of the other customers on your server from having their available space shrink to nothing because of your violations.

edit2: I kind of doubt this would have happened at all if the files weren't in a cache directory, even though dreamhost had a right to do so either way.

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jan 19, 2012

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

VerySolidSnake posted:

A website with a large directory of files would violate the TOS then, such as a company listing all of their press releases and company documents. Since you are the expert, do those terms clearly state that if the website's directory of files is private instead, is it in violation?

A directory full of press releases and company documents accessible on a company's website is exactly what they are allowing you to host. A private directory full of inaccessible files is exactly what the AUP prohibits.

edit: Look, I know it sucks, but it's the reality of "UN-FUCKIN-LIMITED!!!!*" hosting.










*limits and exclusions apply

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 19, 2012

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sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

The AUP does not address that, leaving it up to the host's discretion. That's preferable to you as a customer because it means that you can probably get away with it indefinitely as long as you are not a resource hog.

Check out the $15/yr VPS at buyvm.net

You get 15gb of space and you can put whatever the heck you want on there. Cheaper than S3 and you get a VPS along with the space! It's fairly anemic on RAM and CPU, though, so you might want to keep your dreamhost (or other cheap shared hosting) account to serve up the websites while using the VPS for your random file swapping space and maybe some development.

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