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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




I didn't mind what they did with the finale but they really go a pretty radical direction that's a big departure from the rest of the show, and overall kinda uneven. I give em kudos for the sheer balls of it all and what come down to openly anarchist themes, but still.

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SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Honestly, the thing that was disappointing to me throughout Star vs. season 4 was Eclipsa becoming queen. Like It was fun seeing Star learn to be without the wand and then Moon try to live as something other than the queen, but Eclipsa being queen drained a lot of the fun out of the character, and then so much of the show was about how she wasn't really a very good administrator, and then the people of the kingdom mostly hated her, and a whole lot of episodes were about trying to support her unpopular regime, and never really succeeding. Which as a story isn't really fun, and then the whole philosophical principle of "this person deserves to rule because it was her birthright and everybody else needs to deal with it" never sat right with me.

And when that wasn't in focus, the rest of the season was about shupping, which I just really don't care much about. And when the finale came around, it was kind of outrageous and sad on top of that.

MorningMoon posted:

That's totally there softly in season 1 and goes super hard in season 2 lol.

The racial allegory of monsters was in there in every season, but it was always really muddled and confused between things that didn't fit the allegory and then it was confusing what didn't count as monsters just like it would later being a lot of confusion about what counts as magic.

I think the show had a whole lack of planning in general.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta


Grimey Drawer

MorningMoon posted:

That's totally there softly in season 1 and goes super hard in season 2 lol.

It is but it's still relatively in the background and there are other things going on, by season 4 it's the A-plot and sometimes the only plot. And to be clear, I don't think it's inherently wrong or bad to tackle racism via thinly veiled allegory in a kids cartoon, I just feel that SvtFOE didn't do it well and the focus on it dragged the whole show down.

e: basically everything SlothfulCobra said.

TwoPair fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 15, 2021

Cattail Prophet
Apr 12, 2014



SlothfulCobra posted:

The racial allegory of monsters was in there in every season, but it was always really muddled and confused between things that didn't fit the allegory and then it was confusing what didn't count as monsters just like it would later being a lot of confusion about what counts as magic.

I think the show had a whole lack of planning in general.

TBF what counts as a monster being dumb and arbitrary was both deliberate and entirely in line with the race allegory.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Cattail Prophet posted:

TBF what counts as a monster being dumb and arbitrary was both deliberate and entirely in line with the race allegory.

"He's a Pidgeon with humanoid legs how does that not count as a monster"
"Dear, he's rich."

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an



Star vs. strikes me as the writers only realizing in the last episode that they had made a scenario with no winners or happy endings.

Ministry of Pork
Jun 14, 2012


Funky Valentine posted:

Star vs. strikes me as the writers only realizing in the last episode that they had made a scenario with no winners or happy endings.

Feels that way, doesn't it? After S1 and S2, maybe first half of S3 I feel it sorta jumped the shark when the overt relationship drama began to drive the show rather than the fish-out-of-water mechanic, not because I don't like it but because it was so sorta, noncommittal and all over the place, ship teasing, filler, the not-so-satisfying Eclipsa arc, despite her being an actually amusing character.

I mean I watched to the end but the last half of S4 but yeah jesus, can't say it was satisfying.

Ministry of Pork
Jun 14, 2012


Pakled posted:

Kid Cosmic fits the bill, and it's only 10 episodes (so far) so it's tightly serialized.

I'd also highly recommend Ducktales 2017, Star Vs the Forces of Evil, and OK KO.

Late to the party but Gravity Falls is two seasons and almost better if taken as a binge, particularly the last half of S2 if you treat it like a movie.

Doubling down on Ducktales 2017 and OK KO. Good poo poo.

Personal favorite though it's kinda fluff, Hilda on Netflix is solid feel good.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!



This isn't really a serialized series, but I'm still a huge fan of Regular Show. It's kinda like a "comfort food" or nostalgia-based recommendation though, since I connected with it based on its 20s/30s-age slacker/lazy mentality. Just a fun romp all around.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta


Grimey Drawer

JazzFlight posted:

This isn't really a serialized series, but I'm still a huge fan of Regular Show. It's kinda like a "comfort food" or nostalgia-based recommendation though, since I connected with it based on its 20s/30s-age slacker/lazy mentality. Just a fun romp all around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIEAi6kyRvU

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.




Slippery Tilde

Ministry of Pork posted:

Feels that way, doesn't it? After S1 and S2, maybe first half of S3 I feel it sorta jumped the shark when the overt relationship drama began to drive the show rather than the fish-out-of-water mechanic, not because I don't like it but because it was so sorta, noncommittal and all over the place, ship teasing, filler, the not-so-satisfying Eclipsa arc, despite her being an actually amusing character.

I mean I watched to the end but the last half of S4 but yeah jesus, can't say it was satisfying.

This felt very true to life to me.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister



Peanut Butter posted:

Just caught up with Amphibia. Main thought: I'm really impressed by how much of a step up season 2 has been so far. I started watching the show hot off the back of finishing Infinity Train and Owl House and was initially a little underwhelmed by Amphibia in comparison, but now I'm absolutely buzzing for it to come back in March.

Edit: any recommendations? Suddenly got a lot of time on my hands and looking for cool shows I might have missed. Serial plots, social progressiveness and good art styles are all a big plus.

I can't believe nobody said Kipo & The Age of Wonderbeasts yet.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

There's been a hell of a lot of good cartoons in recent years and if you're just (re)discovering them then you're in for a good time.

I can second Kipo.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


What do people think about the Trolls animated series on Netflix -- the one that Del Toro helped out with, and has all those spinoffs -- ?

I'm a bit picky, but I enjoy serialised cartoon adventure narratives: Infinity Train, latter Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Over The Garden Wall, Gravity Falls, Avatar (AND Korra), they're all basically classics.

(The Dragon Prince is a ???, Voltron and Kipo mucked up their last seasons, ditto for She-Ra but less bad -- to get a sense of what I don't like.)

Will I like this as much?

Well Manicured Man
Aug 21, 2010

Well Manicured Mort

The Trollhunters series is pretty good with some really likeable characters and gorgeous character designs, Three Below and Wizards (or whatever the sequel/midquel spinoff series are called) don't quite hit its highs but they're perfectly enjoyable and give you more time to spend with the characters and setting.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister



Open Source Idiom posted:

What do people think about the Trolls animated series on Netflix -- the one that Del Toro helped out with, and has all those spinoffs -- ?

I'm a bit picky, but I enjoy serialised cartoon adventure narratives: Infinity Train, latter Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Over The Garden Wall, Gravity Falls, Avatar (AND Korra), they're all basically classics.

(The Dragon Prince is a ???, Voltron and Kipo mucked up their last seasons, ditto for She-Ra but less bad -- to get a sense of what I don't like.)

Will I like this as much?

Ok, this requires explanation.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!




Fun Shoe

Yvonmukluk posted:

Ok, this requires explanation.

I can't speak for them but Season 3 had a pretty weak villain (particularly compared to Season 2's villain who was legitimately great) which dragged down the whole show quite a bit.

Ministry of Pork
Jun 14, 2012


readingatwork posted:

I can't speak for them but Season 3 had a pretty weak villain (particularly compared to Season 2's villain who was legitimately great) which dragged down the whole show quite a bit.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but, honestly yes, I found S3 less enthralling. I clocked out about halfway and should finish it, but, being unable to avoid spoilers, I'm not sure I want to take the walk knowing where it goes.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great show, just S3 does get a little weak in the writing, plot devices more contrived, the villain more one dimensional. It just didn't blow me away. S1 made head asplode, S2 was still great, S3 is good, just, sometimes elements felt throwaway, like Wolf's family reunion, plot device sure, but, it didn't feel like it had the resonance it should? It wasn't any one single "omg wrong" moment, it just, didn't scratch the same itch.

Still maybe my lockdown addled mind might appreciate further.

I mean this is micro-picky, but I'm prone to falling off the wagon on shows when I get that "continuity for the sake of continuity" vibe, but don't take that for me saying it's a "Bad" show. I had the same vibe with Trollhunters but I never gave it enough of a chance.

Right now I'm trying out Kid Cosmic which I know I should like but two episodes in and I'm, okay, but not blown away by the pacing, maybe I've been broken by the 11 minute format. Still, it's hella pretty to look at though, great art style.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

...puh-
puhroud..??




Ministry of Pork posted:

Right now I'm trying out Kid Cosmic which I know I should like but two episodes in and I'm, okay, but not blown away by the pacing, maybe I've been broken by the 11 minute format. Still, it's hella pretty to look at though, great art style.

One thing that stands out with Kid Cosmic is that it takes advantage of it being streaming based by not having consistent episode lengths, but unlike say Green Eggs and Ham, where this often meant whopping 25 minute episodes, with Kid Cosmic some episodes can get as short as 13 minutes long

Ministry of Pork
Jun 14, 2012


Peanut Butter posted:

Just caught up with Amphibia. Main thought: I'm really impressed by how much of a step up season 2 has been so far. I started watching the show hot off the back of finishing Infinity Train and Owl House and was initially a little underwhelmed by Amphibia in comparison, but now I'm absolutely buzzing for it to come back in March.

Edit: any recommendations? Suddenly got a lot of time on my hands and looking for cool shows I might have missed. Serial plots, social progressiveness and good art styles are all a big plus.

Okay another late to the party throwback, but, Chowder? I freakin' loved it. Definitely a one-and-done, not much re-watch, great voice acting, really unique art style but you have to like the humour style which is very slapstick, visual pun, with a side of meta.

ps. poo poo missed 'serial plots', pretty much bottle episodes, weak continuity. Still, I think it's gorgeous.

p.p.s. Any of the star wars animated properties? Clone wars is drat watchable for its age, still looks beautiful, and the final season they just introduced is a true heartrender.

Follow ups in the new Filloniverse are Star Wars: Rebels which starts a little shakily but really comes home in the end, and Star Wars: Resistance which honestly suffers from tie-in-itis where they have to namedrop. Can honestly recommend Rebels as a good watchable serial, just allow it to stumble for the first season. Resistance just got too drat tired for me, uneven tone, not diggin' the art, and the characterization is weak-ish, too much gumbification.

Ministry of Pork fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Feb 17, 2021

Ministry of Pork
Jun 14, 2012


Digamma-F-Wau posted:

One thing that stands out with Kid Cosmic is that it takes advantage of it being streaming based by not having consistent episode lengths, but unlike say Green Eggs and Ham, where this often meant whopping 25 minute episodes, with Kid Cosmic some episodes can get as short as 13 minutes long

Oh, yeah, GE&H is something I wanted to love. It's not bad, just, didn't grab me and hell some of those episodes felt like a drag. Still imma throw it on my list for shut-in world's-ending watching.

BoosterDuck
Mar 2, 2019


https://twitter.com/cartoonnetwork/status/1362099558856224772

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000






Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

...puh-
puhroud..??




https://twitter.com/hbomax/status/1362099496679800834?s=19

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007




Wow, didn't expect that to happen.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS




After the joke they made about it in the show I didn't expect it to actually happen.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!




Fun Shoe


Oh thank God. The cliffhanger that they ended the show on was some bullshit.



drat, today owns.

Peanut Butter
Nov 7, 2011

Wee mannie



Absolutely BUZZING

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Infinity Train is very well-made, but I have absolutely no idea that they'll do with another season, just like I had no idea what they were going to do after the first season and the bulk of the mystery was explained.

Ministry of Pork posted:

Okay another late to the party throwback, but, Chowder? I freakin' loved it. Definitely a one-and-done, not much re-watch, great voice acting, really unique art style but you have to like the humour style which is very slapstick, visual pun, with a side of meta.

Chowder was great, and I don't think people talk about it enough. It was really creative about mixing mediums and it was fun how weird the world got. It tends to get overshadowed by Flapjack for having more adult humor and more staff that went on to do other projects.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!



SlothfulCobra posted:

Infinity Train is very well-made, but I have absolutely no idea that they'll do with another season, just like I had no idea what they were going to do after the first season and the bulk of the mystery was explained.
I think it’ll mostly resolve what happened in season 3, or at least I hope it will. Seasons 1 and 2 end with no real loose ends while 3 starts a couple characters’ arcs and leaves them hanging.

I’m also not a fan of how dark they took some parts in season 3 and hope they dial it back just a bit. It felt exploitative at times, almost sickening (which is weird to say about a “kids’ show”).

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007



SlothfulCobra posted:

Infinity Train is very well-made, but I have absolutely no idea that they'll do with another season, just like I had no idea what they were going to do after the first season and the bulk of the mystery was explained.

Hypothetically, there are still mysteries to be uncovered. Mostly about who/what set up the train and how the outside world interprets the train as a thing that's apparently existed for a while. But I'm not sure if solving those mysteries would kind of ruin the experience.

Like, if was shown that the train is a construct of the distant future, post-apocolypse, that a future-society set up to 'fix' society, one individual at a time, in order to try to prevent the apocolypse? Would that be neat or a let-down?

JazzFlight posted:

I’m also not a fan of how dark they took some parts in season 3 and hope they dial it back just a bit. It felt exploitative at times, almost sickening (which is weird to say about a “kids’ show”).

For me, season 3 felt less like the show was exploitive, and more that the train was exploitive. There was always a weird undercurrent of 'this device is targeting people and trapping them until they improve', but it was made a lot more explicit in Season 3, when we saw that the train can just... show up anywhere, looking like anything, in order to lure people in.

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The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003



total drama island is returning as well

SilentChaz
Oct 5, 2011


https://twitter.com/cartoonnetwork/status/1362103272719462402

https://twitter.com/Matt___Burnett/status/1362114426761973760

Craig of the Creek is getting a fourth season and Craig's little sister Jessica is getting a spin-off series.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!



Bobulus posted:

For me, season 3 felt less like the show was exploitive, and more that the train was exploitive. There was always a weird undercurrent of 'this device is targeting people and trapping them until they improve', but it was made a lot more explicit in Season 3, when we saw that the train can just... show up anywhere, looking like anything, in order to lure people in.
Oh, I didn't mean anything about the train at all.
I mean the showrunner was really manipulating the audience by (spoilers):

Introducing a happy-go-lucky little girl character who has a loving protector/mom (who had begun to love again after her own children died) and then having another character violently kill said mom. Then we have to watch/listen to the very good actress panic and sob about her mom getting murdered.

Hazel was a very likable character but the poo poo the show put her through was too much in my opinion. It was dipping into misery-porn level. Of course, if they somehow revive Tuba in season 4, I think I might be alright with the arc.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!




Fun Shoe

SilentChaz posted:

https://twitter.com/cartoonnetwork/status/1362103272719462402

https://twitter.com/Matt___Burnett/status/1362114426761973760

Craig of the Creek is getting a fourth season and Craig's little sister Jessica is getting a spin-off series.

Very weird to see a spinoff aimed at a younger demographic who probably have never seen the original show but I have no objections to it or anything. Also I guess that this is the start of CN's push towards entering the preschool programing market so we'll probably be seeing a lot of announcements like this.

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Smoking Chicken of the Sea

Bobulus posted:

Hypothetically, there are still mysteries to be uncovered. Mostly about who/what set up the train and how the outside world interprets the train as a thing that's apparently existed for a while. But I'm not sure if solving those mysteries would kind of ruin the experience.

[Bold]Like, if was shown that the train is a construct of the distant future, post-apocolypse, that a future-society set up to 'fix' society, one individual at a time, in order to try to prevent the apocolypse? Would that be neat or a let-down?[/bold]


For me, season 3 felt less like the show was exploitive, and more that the train was exploitive. There was always a weird undercurrent of 'this device is targeting people and trapping them until they improve', but it was made a lot more explicit in Season 3, when we saw that the train can just... show up anywhere, looking like anything, in order to lure people in.

I had always thought the train was a sort of mental trap sort of alternate reality where your subconscious gets tossed into to sort your poo poo out while in reality physically you're still living your life just in a sort of autopilot. The train being seemingly real was...kind of mixed bag since it opens up so many more questions. How long has it been going on? How many people have gone in there? How many have actually gotten off? Does time pass the same in the train as it does outside of it? Do the families of those that have gone missing just never notice or just assume disappearances? And that's on top of the questions about who built the train and what for or how the trains denizens come into being.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


My favorite part of season 2 was the junction room, and that really feels like the show's strength, when there's like this big huge eerie and weird space so that the music and aesthetic plays well into the mystery and the eerieness and showing off the scale. Season 3 didn't have that, it had more interpersonal drama going on, and instead of being vaguely frightening, there was actual real harm and danger on the line that just made it very intense in a very different way.

They could make the next season focus on Hazel, but I really don't want them to go all-in on existential horror.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


readingatwork posted:

Very weird to see a spinoff aimed at a younger demographic who probably have never seen the original show but I have no objections to it or anything. Also I guess that this is the start of CN's push towards entering the preschool programing market so we'll probably be seeing a lot of announcements like this.

Jessica's also a weird character for that since she's in the same mold of Anais of Gumball where despite being a pre-schooler or w/e with some of that maturity and taste, she's also fairly intelligent beyond the main characters. Jessica's a bit more realistic in depiction where it's more that her interests are definitely more high brow and relate to a few specific things but don't overlap with Craig's own areas of excellence.

I should probably watch more of the show though, but it's definitely good that it's getting more seasons.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

...puh-
puhroud..??




Worth noting that:

1) Owen Dennis' plan is to have 8 books total

2) each production season so far has been 2 books; that combined with some other factors meant that to me at least it wasn't "oh Infinity Train is at risk of being left hanging after book 3", it's "oh Infinity Train is at risk of being left hanging after book 4". Though the radio silence did get to me enough that I was beginning to wonder of book 4 was cancelled mid production with unfinished episodes (which usually isn't CN's style, they tend to cancel shows by just not renewing for another season, but it did happen to Secret Mountain Fort Awesome)

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Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Digamma-F-Wau posted:

Worth noting that:

1) Owen Dennis' plan is to have 8 books total

2) each production season so far has been 2 books; that combined with some other factors meant that to me at least it wasn't "oh Infinity Train is at risk of being left hanging after book 3", it's "oh Infinity Train is at risk of being left hanging after book 4". Though the radio silence did get to me enough that I was beginning to wonder of book 4 was cancelled mid production with unfinished episodes (which usually isn't CN's style, they tend to cancel shows by just not renewing for another season, but it did happen to Secret Mountain Fort Awesome)

Does the lag in an announcement for season 4 mean that the last two seasons are very unlikely, or any less likely than silence between production seasons?

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