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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Amorphous Blob posted:

It really reminds me of lovely amateur flash movies from the early 2000s, but it must be intentional.

From the Problem Solverz thread

Shmorky posted:

Paper Rad is awesome. I gave em a shout-out in the Flash Tub recently.
The show doesn't hide the fact that it is made in Flash and that's actually really cool. I bet most people would assume I hate a show like this because I always complain about motion tweening and canned animation. I like the self-aware use of Flash. Stuff like linear gradients, super-thin/dotted/patterened pencil tool vector lines, limited 256 color palette (except for skin tones) using only Flash's pre-set colors... As a Flash animator you look at this show and go "hey there's that thing I would never use... and he's using it! This is insaaaaane!" There's nothing else like it anywhere.


I'm watching simply because it's so fascinating to see something like this being brought to the "mainstream." I'm floored, honestly. Underground artists have always managed to work in children's entertainment, but never one as underground as Ben Jones. Ben is completely out there and his work is so unique. I don't think kids are going to understand this show. All the haters... seriously, chill out. I doubt this show will last for long. This is going to confuse kids and they'll call it "garish" because they heard mom use that word sometimes.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Cartoon Network is the best they've been since the late 90s, it's not that the network has gotten worse it's that after a decade of obsessive cartoon-watching nothing can live up to those fuzzy childhood memories of yesteryear when the idea of a cartoon that wasn't re-runs of Looney Toons or Hannah-Barbera was new and exciting..

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

readingatwork posted:

Plus I really like the way they groove to the soundtrack.

That's the one thing I like about it, it's like watching somebody do a play-through of Rhythm Heaven or Space Channel 5.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Things I know about Megaman from watching the cartoon as a kid:

-He's a super fighting robot
-

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Y-Hat posted:

It got five seasons and the franchise is now owned by Disney, so I can think of two reasons why it's dead.

Now that new Star Wars movies are being made just about all the auxiliary SW projects are being shut down so all the media focus will be on Episode 7 and beyond. The 3D theatrical releases of the other 5 Star Wars movies were cancelled too.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

raditts posted:

Well it certainly didn't start with the 90s, because I remember text files on BBSes (and later, email forwards) in the 90s that were pretty much the same thing about 80s nostalgia. It's the "all the best things in the world happened when you were 12" phenomenon in action. Give it 5-6 years and you'll see people remembering late 90s / early 2000s boy bands fondly. Funny thing though, I can't remember any huge kids' toys from the aughts (furbys, elmos, and beanie babies were all 90s, right?), and many of the popular cartoons of the time were turned into shambling zombies whose corpses still walk to this day.

As a 90s kid I've had to put up with 80s nostalgia my entire life. 80s kids can suck it, you spent over a decade acting like Transformers and He-Man weren't utter trash so the least you can do is let us have our fun.

And toys in general have kind of died down, partially because after Wal-Mart took over everything their distribution eliminated the issues that made Tickle-Me Elmo and Furby so infamous and partially because it's the information age and videogames and computers took over that niche for the most part. As for the whole "shambling corpses" thing...just about every 80s and 90s action series has been rebooted or continued so it's not some mark against 00s cartoons. hell, just in the last year we had a Thundercats reboot and a TMNT reboot.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

FuzzySkinner posted:

drat.

I was thinking that in a perfect world it'd just be this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_O9Zf-IIYc

I do wonder if you could bring back Rocko's Modern Life in this day and age.

Not in a "let's make it like Ren and Stimpy...except more dirty way", but in keeping moreso within what the made the show great. The subtle adult humor makes it's a tremendous showe.

Regular Show is probably the closest thing to a modern day Rocko. It still has the same vibe of being a show for kids about 20-somethings working lovely jobs to make a living and has a lot of surreality and adult references.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Remember SheZow!, which read like some guy's awkward gender transformation fetish comic that inexplicably got greenlit to be an actual show? Well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPY3mq2xfco

:stare:

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Macaluso posted:

To this day I'd still put that episode in like top 5 funniest kids show episodes of all time. God is it just hilarity from beginning to end.

:haw:: CORRECT!

Band Geeks is so loving funny, and the :krad: ending musical number just seals its status as one of the best cartoons ever.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

raditts posted:

Cross-dressing isn't nearly the same thing as being transgendered, is it?

... Now I feel like I'm defending Shezow and I need to take a shower. Thanks, OMM, thanks a lot.

The pitch was that he turns into a female superhero, whether this just means a change of clothes or an actual change of his sex is something I really have no interest in looking up or trying to rationalize.

Really, everybody loses. Conservatives are going to hate it because it portrays being transgendered/crossdressing as anything other than a sinful aberration, and liberals are going to hate it because it's so ridiculously over-the-top with enforcing traditional gender roles (being a female superhero means having powers and equipment that are all based on cosmetics and the color pink!) as well as minimizing actual transgendered struggles in favor a zillion she/her/girl puns.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

raditts posted:

I just watched Beware the Batman today and the only thing it has going for it graphic or animation-wise is that it's not as bad as the Pac-Man show. But god drat is it ugly, I felt like I was watching a 22-minute cutscene from an early Playstation 2 game.

Brave and the Bold loving warned us.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

raditts posted:

I must've missed that episode, what do you mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFURxVE1jJE

Bat-Mite as a trans-dimensional comic book nerd was so great.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

WendigoJohnson posted:

I'll accept many opinions but calling Brave and The Bold's Aquaman bad is not an opinion, it's flat out wrong. :colbert:

You might even say that it's...OUTRAGEOUS!

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

The Devil Tesla posted:

Wander over Yonder intro is pretty exciting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwN5HLiZ7_o

I hope this isn't like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends where he just abandons any pretense of actual decent plot or jokes in favor more and more ~wacky and lovable creature designs~.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

SirSigma posted:

A few months ago I rewatched Codename: Kids Next Door on Netflix.

I don't know how much of it is just me growing up and how much is actual quality, but when it comes to Cartoon Network's original programming there's about a half-decade stretch between the start of Samurai Jack and the start of Chowder that is just a total dead zone to me. I don't know if it was behind-the-scenes network politics or what, but just about everything they made in that stretch either forgettable or hugely flawed to me. The only thing I even really remember enjoying about KND was when they had one episode explaining the origin of the war between children and adults that was almost a shot-for-shot remake of The Second Renaissance from The Animatrix. Same with Billy and Mandy, I must have watched every episode they put out at the time and all I remember is that one episode was a giant Dune parody and they had a small recurring character voiced by the dude in my av.

It's also kind of hard to go back to that era's animation, because it's at that awkward point where they had abandoned traditional animation but the computerized animation they were using hadn't quite caught up. Especially early-00s Nickelodeon, when Klasky-Csupo was at its most disgustingly deformed and Jimmy Neutron existed.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Y-Hat posted:

Nickelodeon and Nick Jr. have made shows that are loud ADHD-inducers for well over a decade and they show no signs of stopping. They could have had Adventure Time.

Cartoon Network would never, ever make a show with “booty kicks”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U008nGT0eww

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Tartarus Sauce posted:

Obligatory Stan Lee cameo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDrs3Ii2_ZU

Stan Lee just loving loves making cameos, doesn't he?

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
At absolute worst, The Looney Tunes Show got CN to start airing blocks of the classic cartoon shorts again. So everybody wins!

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Macaluso posted:

That episode where they go to Pluto and Arnold almost loving kills himself is kind of funny to watch now since Pluto isn't considered a planet anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGs77kOT9Kk

RIP Arnold.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

TheWorldIsSquare posted:

That cartoon was horrible but the themesong was rocking in a stupid Christian rock sort of way.

That guy sang about the lineage of hedgehog royalty with more passion than anybody in history.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

axleblaze posted:

I didn't realize it was also created by Ianj. That's pretty cool. He sure has come a long way since RPG World.

I hope he's come a long way since Secret Mountain Fort Awesome.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Even then, those character designs were absolutely hideous regardless of budget or medium.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
The early 00s was a graveyard when it came to animation. It was all anime and poo poo like Butt Ugly Martians and Super Super Sumos and Mucha Lucha.

Speaking of, I've been re-watching Justice League and it holds up a lot better than I remembered. I don't read comics so I'm not familiar with the characters and plots it used, but it went full batshit like Solomon Grundy punching his way through Cthulhu's brain even before the Unlimited days. My only real complaint is that I don't understand why they did a half-hour format when almost every episode was a two-parter.

Unlimited was just a whole other level entirely, though. Considering that it was before serialized storytelling was commonplace on television, let alone in cartoons, the way that the entire season had self-contained episodes that built up to Lex confronting the Justice League was incredible. Even better, Amanda Waller's complaints were completely justified and they did a good job addressing that without making her into an actual villain.

I've also been watching through Teen Titans and I kind of want to give Bruce Timm a high-five for managing to adapt to the peak of the anime craze without being too insufferable. The episode in season 4 where Raven finds out that she's doomed to be the end of the world was rapey as poo poo though, the last 5 minutes are just one giant :stare: when Slade beats her into submission and tears her clothes off.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
To add to the trash talk, MAD is still running after like 4 years. I can accept that poo poo like Annoying Orange and Johnny Test exists because it's cheap garbage they can churn out to fill, but MAD goes to a decent amount of effort to try out different animation styles but it can never seem to come up with material that's worth it. And when they do get one or two good jokes they're reliant on pop culture references that nobody in the target audience would get.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndA69KiffJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgjXgJx02_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4ciM0nCLvA

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Zombie Samurai posted:

My two-year-old daughter wanted to watch a little TV before dinner last night, so we flipped around and ended up on something called Johnny Test. It was, without question, the most spastic loving show I have ever seen. Everyone gives their lines as fast as humanly possible, every motion is coupled with a whip-crack sound effect, and no scene lasts longer than like 5 seconds. Is this part of the general wacky-fying going on over at Cartoon Network? Because I'm pretty sure I don't like it.

It's a Canadian cartoon that only exists because there's a law requiring Canadian networks to show a certain amount of Canadian-made content, so they churn out the cheapest LCD crap they can to fill slots and then Cartoon Networks buys it for a song to fill gaps in their scheduling.

Macaluso posted:

So I like the style and animation and everything, but what I don't get is why they changed up the girls' designs when all the other characters are pretty much how they've always looked. I don't hate the designs for them I guess but meh

I'm usually all for letting people fool around with the art style for one-off specials but yeah, I don't like it. That big-eyed, no-outline style is really popular with girls' toys and cartoons right now so I'm not surprised they went with it though, everything is either than or Monster High-style big heads and spindly bodies.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

ThermoPhysical posted:

As long as no girls watch the show, it might stand a chance on CN's lineup. :v:

Still can't believe they haven't gotten much flack for that but ah well.

That was all secondhand via Paul Dini venting about his failed superhero show so, yeah.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

raditts posted:

Really? Because I didn't watch the last season or so but almost every episode in the first 2-3 seasons took place in vast, empty expanses of desert.

Also they're robots and vehicles, which are like the two easiest things to render and animate in CGI.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Back in 2009 they were saying the same thing, that the movie was in pre-production and that Bad Robot was producing it. I mean, if Season 4 of Arrested Development can happen then anything is possible but at this point I'd rather the dude focus his time and energy on something new rather than the "epic conclusion" to a decade-old cartoon. Especially when the theatrical Powerpuff Girls movie was a big enough bomb to destroy any future attempts at theatrical movies and it came out at the height of the show's popularity.

He did an animated opening to that crappy action movie Priest a few years ago, his style of animation but in HD instead of standard-def early-00s TV animation is pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvrY8e19-04

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
I get why people liked Sym-Bionic Titan but it had like zero crossover appeal to people who didn't grow up with Voltron and have that kind of enthusiasm for something that so openly and unabashedly clings to old tropes with almost nothing to try and innovate or change or improve upon it. I never really got into the show and a big part of that was because it felt like if I had seen one episode I had seen everything the show had to offer, and the few episodes I watched only seemed to reinforce that.

Also I felt like the animation was too stylized and got to the point where it was ugly and cluttered. It had some great backgrounds but I really didn't like the way the main cast looked and the CGI for the robots was relatively poor both on its own and at meshing with the 2d elements.

I just hope the dude hasn't lost his touch because it's been a decade since Tartakovsky made Clone Wars and aside from Titan the only other things he's done is the pilot for Korgoth of Barbaria (which was cancelled before they even made any episodes), storyboard the fight scenes for Iron Man 2 (remember the long boring scenes of Iron Man tearing through dozens of robots with zero excitement or tension? Yeah...), and direct the :geno: Adam Sandler vehicle Hotel Transylvania.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

There is no way that this man doesn't have a vault filled with creepy gender-transformation porn he's drawn of the main character of his show. If not an outright Dobson-esque online persona that he aggressively suppresses and lives in constant fear of being discovered now that he's a professional.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Mysteries Inc. is so great. It's like if The Venture Bros was an actual Johnny Quest reboot.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Thompsons posted:

If ever. Cartoon Network has a serious hard-on for NOT uploading the rest of their poo poo on Netflix for some reason.

What makes it even more weird is that Adult Swim seems to have embraced the digital model and has put the entire seasons of The Eric Andre Show and Eagleheart on YouTube as well as putting up episodes of Rick and Morty as soon as they air.

It's just frustrating because Cartoon Network rarely if ever gives shows proper DVD releases, instead opting for grab-bag releases (like, say, a bunch of Halloween episodes or episodes about a specific character) because they sell better with kids. But when it comes to streaming they dump the first season online then tell you to buy the DVDs for the rest :ughh:

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Sockser posted:

You know what would be cool? The New Scooby-Doo Movies but with modern celebrities.

"Seth Rogen? What are you doing in this spooky mansion?"
"Oh yeah they hired me on as the groundskeeper"


But then also just have silver-age Batman.


I would like this.

In 2001 they did a Halloween special called Night of the Living Doo that was basically this. Featuring special guest star David Cross.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

horriblePencilist posted:

Not really a kids show, but this thread is as close as it gets: an absolutely garbage show called Mr Pickles. It's offensive, ugly, violent and unfunny – and it'll be on Adult Swim this fall.
Here's the :nws: pilot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDa9DVuwRDc

It's like if Axe Cop was written by a 13 year-old boy instead of a 5 year-old boy.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Ripping Friends was awful and seeing it for the first time on Adult Swim reruns was my first real "the emperor has no clothes" moment re: JohnK and his weird little internet cult.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Acquire Currency! posted:

My favorite game to play with the CN line up is trying to remember the shows that got canceled or never rerun. Where are you, terrible batman blocky cgi show?

When I was a kid who thought that Cartoon Network could do no wrong it was reaqlly weird seeing Cartoon Network spend so long hyping up Mike, Lu & Og only to have the show be so completely forgettable and quietly vanish from their lineup forever once its run ended.

Also between the anachronistic art style and the way that they re-dubbed the character from having a synthesized voice to an actual voice actor I remember having no idea what the deal was with Whatever Happened to Robot Jones. According to wikipedia it was the last American show to be animated on traditional cels instead of computers, which is something I guess.

Sunday Pants doesn't even have a wikipedia page.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

raditts posted:

Are those the bad seasons? I thought Dexter's went on for way longer than 2 years before it went to poo poo.

Here's an easy way to tell:

= Good seasons

= Bad seasons

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Maybe it's just a product of me growing up during the 90s but I was legitimately surprised that in Clarence they let the kids get into real-life peril like climbing on top of the playplace and actually show them hitting each other (albeit with pinecones and bits of foam). That and the other subtle mentions at the troubles their families have (the mom being too poor to buy groceries once she lost the coupons and Clarence being too little to understand, "I lost a dad but I got a Chad! :haw:" when talking about their families splitting) make it feel a lot more grounded and real even though it's still very silly.

It's probably not something I'm going to go out of my way to watch but it's a super cute show and it's nice to have something grounded in between the fantastical post-apocalyptic swordfights and 23 year-old stoner raccoons.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

axleblaze posted:

That is, for better or worse, pretty much the point. It's a bunch of weird rear end in a top hat kids being weird rear end in a top hat kids.

Same with the animation. There's off-model and then there's Ed Edd n' Eddy.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

HorseRenoir posted:

CN didn't do anything to it; it had a decently long run but was never particularly successful. Genndy left to do more work in the film industry after Sym-Bionic Titan ended.

Like storyboarding the action scenes for Iron Man 2, ie the worst Marvel movie.

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