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ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Hemingway To Go! posted:

Not going to read the article because I want my medium newsletter to not recommend related articles, but it burns my rear end when people bring up poo poo Rebecca Sugar drew as a teenager. No one does that poo poo for male artists or unprogressive artists, while I've seen chuds bring it up to show her "degeneracy"

Fan art and fic is kind of beside the question of analyzing what's published anyway. Too much is made and anyone including kids can make it.

Tbf the article absolutely brings up the poo poo Male artists made previous to their more official work, "it's kinda weird that people who became popular making porn of children's cartoons are jumping straight from that over to making children's cartoons" is one of the article's main points

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ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I don't understand what you're talking about

Rebecca sugar drew ed edd n eddy characters having sex (the article puts some kind of artsy spin on it that I haven't really heard before). The poster I was responding to was upset that rebecca sugar gets dragged through the mud for drawing cartoon porn as a teenager, but Male artists in similar positions never do. I responded that that article specifically brings up the way that many professional, frequently Male cartoon artists got their start drawing cartoon porn before being hired on to make the actual cartoons themselves, and is in fact the context in which rebecca sugar was brought up and is a major theme of the article.

What am I missing here? What other thing has rebecca sugar drawn that changes the context of what I've said?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I want a dystopian cyberpunk future avatar

EDIT: ^roku was the avatar before aang, kiyoshi was before roku

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Personally I thought the most interesting part of korea was seeing how the world had progressed and how bending had influenced that

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I would've liked lava bending a lot more if they went into how someone learns to do it and how it's an extension of earth bending, like the did with metal bending, rather than it just kinda being a thing that a couple of characters randomly get to do

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I mean it's not like there's ever mixed benders otherwise. I'd have liked it a lot more as an "any earth bender can do it, it's just really hard so everyone assumes it's impossible" kind of thing like metal bending

Though really I'd like the setting a lot more if bending wasn't genetic period tbh

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

If bending wasn't determined genetically zaheer would have been able to air bend before korra season 3 and I dont think there's any nongenetic explanation for why he would not have been able to

Same goes for the air acolytes, if genetics was not a strict requirement at least 1 air acolyte would have learned how to airbend

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

If bending was a learned attribute iroh would have been able to waterbend, but despite being well learned enough in water bending culture and philosophy to develop his own technique using those ideas, iroh was not a water bender

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Doofenschmirtz's tragic backstory was always my favorite part of phineas and ferb

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Well that's upsetting

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Xiaolin showdown had significant serialized elements too right?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

drat that actually looks pretty fun

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

recently watched through all the seasons of infinity train. it was incredibly good. is there anything else remotely like it?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

What's a show that's focused on plot first and character second?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I feel like "it's a character show first and plot second" is something that gets repeated about every single cartoon, guess there actually isn't really any case where someone shouldn't go in with that expectation. That's too bad, given how often that gets repeated online I thought there might be some other class of cartoon to check out

Given how often it has to get said I'd think there's some manner of demand for that kind of difference in focus

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I've watched the first couple episodes of centaur world and I mostly just find it mildly obnoxious. The cast of characters make stupid jokes that aren't bad but I also don't particularly like, and that seems to be about 70% of the show. The other 30% seems like it might be good but it's hard for me to say

Currently my feeling is less "I don't like this show" and more "I have better ways to spend my time"

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

2 out of 3 distant lands episodes were really good (and the other was only pretty good) so as far as i'm concerned that's excellent news

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Open Source Idiom posted:

Which one didn't work for you (as much)?

the bmo one. to me it felt a lot like what i'd generally expect if i was watching AT for the first time and hit next episode, like just getting an extra episode of a good, comfy, fun show. the other two felt like hitting next episode for the first time and getting one of the really good AT episodes, like watching thank you or i remember you for the first time.

as an epilogue of sorts distant lands is really good, both on its own merits and also as a sendoff to AT

ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Aug 18, 2021

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

i appreciate that the new show premise means either the ice king really did find a way to make fionna and cake real, or simon has gone a little too deep with his coping mechanisms

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

puberty also made me uncomfortable, so i think everything lines up

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Fun Times! posted:

Friend of mine recommended Centaurworld on Netflix, said it hit feelings like Adventure Time. I watched the first episode and thought the characters were annoying as gently caress, which seems to be the point. Does this show get better? Seems like "lol random" humor which doesn't really do it for me.

dissenting opinion: none of the things you dislike about the show are going to go away or become background elements. yes, the focus does shift away a bit as time goes on, but that's still a major element of the show.

i thought it was fine enough to keep watching and at the end found it to be a decent watch, but if you really didn't like the first episode i couldn't honestly recommend going through a series that you will probably continue to dislike

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

the only time i found centaur world to be particularly funny was comfortable doug, who owns

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Larryb posted:

Haven’t gotten around to watching that yet, did it at least get a decent enough finale?

Infinity train has 3 very excellent seasons and then the last one is just kinda ok. It definitely makes me wish there was more and doesn't wrap up anything that it didn't introduce itself, so I wouldn't really call it a "finale." It's really more like, just another season of the show, but with a significantly lighter tone especially when contrasted with how season 3 ended.

The season 5 plot that season 4 hints at sounds really good and I weep every night that we will not see it

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

The only thing i really want from a new avatar anything would be more sick fight scenes

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I want an avatar who has to get most of their spirit advice from the previous avatar who was a lovely and bad person and generally looked upon very unfavorably by history

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

The way Korra expanded on the idea of bending being part of life and fundamental building block of society and technology was the best part. Metalbending was discovered, shared, and found new applications, and seeing how that all played out was way cooler than awkward romance plotlines.

I want to see how bending affects a cyberpunk society

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Metal bender doctors stab an iron rod into your chest, then bend it into a pacemaker

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Infinity train season 3 is better than season 1, and season 4 is merely inoffensive rather than standout fantastic

I definitely wouldn't rec s3 to someone who isn't fond of dark storylines or uses words like "emotional manipulation" to describe watching a TV show though

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

SU I liked quite a bit when I first watched it, but when the movie came out I started a rewatch and found that i liked the show waaaaay less on a second viewing. Totally petered out somewhere in s4 after trying to get back into it some 3 or 4 times.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Gargoyles plot synopses always sound cool, is the show worth watching as an adult with no particular nostalgia for it?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

is the 2003 tmnt show actually as cool as i remember it being?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

personally i prefer it when they capitalize on 'aughts nostalgia

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I'm pretty sure the view of many streaming services at this point is if there's a serialized animation market niche they need to fill, they'll just license more anime.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

The pursuit of the joy of analysis itself is value enough

I say that despite universally not reading those posts. You do you though, whatever makes you happy man

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I'd be happy with him just getting fired

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

SlothfulCobra posted:

Trying to do some kind of classism plot between benders and nonbenders was An Idea, but it doesn't really fit with what the show was previously. There wasn't some big divide between benders and nonbenders in the original show, and certainly no kind of correlation between bending and wealth. There wasn't even anything like that in Legend of Korra; Bolin and Mako are dirt poor benders and Sato and Varrick are the richest people in the show but also nonbenders. I'm not sure allegorically it makes sense either, because bending is physical labor, and not something I'd associate with the wealthy.

Putting that kind of focus on the divide between benders and nonbenders also puts a lot of stress on the question of why some people are benders and some aren't, to which the show just kinda shrugs. Might even be more an allegory for bigotry over something random like anti-semitism rather than an actual grievance over something real.

i dunno man "some people are just born with a loaded gun inside their hand" is definitely the kind of power discrepancy that leads to social differences, it felt to me a lot like ATLA just avoided having that question ever be asked. this being despite earth nation cities and the northern water tribe showing how bending was integrated into society's day to day life. the idea that the normies unable to spontaneously create new ice stairs to get wherever they're headed are essentially an underclass is pretty obvious, and i liked korra extrapolating on that to build new ethical questions about the rising new society. it felt like a natural extension of how ATLA handled complicated topics like uhhh genocide (or as a more direct comparison, aang's struggle with reconciling the important goals and ideals of pacifism with the material reality he's faced with), as well as said "this is how bending changes a society" stuff like the complicated earth-bending powered mail system. what sucked poo poo was how that and other important cutting social criticisms of the world would be left unresolved and also never commented again, like instead of being a real theme it's just complicated set dressing to make their villains more sympathetic.

also importantly the fact that like irish immigrants to america were barred from many jobs (hmm...) wasn't the same as there being no poor british-descended americans

but seriously looks at the air nomad way of life and tell me that being born without air bending wouldn't suck rear end there. they had child games and sports based around the assumption that air bending is your primary form of locomotion and spatial control. what do you do when you're part of the half of society without super human powers? it's an interesting question and they just drop it entirely uuuuuuugh!

ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Dec 26, 2022

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

drrockso20 posted:

Apparently the original Air Nomad culture was 100% composed of Air Benders

How?

...did they find a way to breed out the normies or were nonbenders disposed of?

gently caress

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

SlothfulCobra posted:

It's just that when you have only shallowly defined these things, they can't support the weight when you make it into the lynchpin of some kind of real-world political allegory.


...like genocide?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Who's ever heard of a nation that's multi-ethnic

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ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Mr Interweb posted:

also, are Adventure Time and Regular Show worth watching?

i've seen a bunch of individual episodes for both, and thought they were entertaining and funny but i hear they both fall off pretty bad

Adventure time is a feast or famine show. The episodes are pretty inconsistent in writing quality I think, though they're usually at least "an interesting idea." When it gets an episode right it knocks it out of the park though. I think it's worth watching through but if you're expecting a banger every episode I wouldn't recommend it.

First few season in particular I think are pretty dire to try to watch as an adult, but there's some good stuff in there

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