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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


I want there to be a series called Scooby Doo: Miskatonic Mysteries featuring Harlan Ellison as Mister E.

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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Caught up on the last few pages and noticed the user ButtercupSaiyan (who was summarily banned) posting. I thought the username was merely coincidence, but the post that earned him his ban basically confirmed that he's the same one who's done numerous pornographic works of cartoon characters at decent or above quality (just look him up on Google. Note: NSFW). I'm actually quite surprised and amused at his appearance, but not worth.

Back to the discussion though,

raditts posted:

No, I totally got that vibe too. They danced around it so hard in the last episode that I was expecting them to just come out and say it.

During the first half of the series she was interested in Shaggy and only started getting that connection with Hot Dog Water in the second season. Whether her relationship with Shaggy influenced her relationship with HDW will probably remain forever a mystery, but it could also be one-sided or just a strong friendship.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Also because the first few episodes were between not very good and outright terrible. It wasn't till ghost boy, which is the 9th short in the series that I started to say "oh this show might be okay".

I definitely was turned off watching the first short. Actually, I watched Girl's Night Out and I basically skipped over the part with the boys since they were pretty terrible. There's definitely some redeeming features, but sometimes the humor flounders when it tries to be straight wacky.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


raditts posted:

I just watched Beware the Batman today and the only thing it has going for it graphic or animation-wise is that it's not as bad as the Pac-Man show. But god drat is it ugly, I felt like I was watching a 22-minute cutscene from an early Playstation 2 game.

It honestly doesn't look that bad to me, but maybe that's due to exposure to the GL:tAS which had a similar CG style.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


evilmiera posted:

I don't mind the actual animation so much. It isn't bad enough to push me away or anything, while the story so far at least seems new and interesting. The only thing I didn't like much in the first episode was how I had to wait for characters to get into focus before I knew where the camera was pointing because it was all Generic Corridor Central.

Well it's definitely interesting. I don't know about good or anything yet. I'm a little disappointed they changed Professor Pyg to an animal rights activist-type villain (at least for his first appearance). It is an interesting change to a previously existing character whose gimmick was be a crazy butcher (which obviously doesn't float well on TV), but they could've tried the circus freak gimmick instead.

Hopefully the show will get into its own soon because at this point, it's about as good as The Batman right now.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


The newest episode of Beware the Batman was...mediocre

Newest villain of the week is: Anarky. Simplified into, essentially, a whiny teen with a large amount of unwarranted self importance. Probably a little more palatable given that the original was more of an anti-villain and later became something akin to Batgod. Still pretty poor. The B-plot with Tatsu/Katanna is moving at an okay pace. We got a glimpse or her sword, so that's something. I would've preferred an introduction to Robin or Batgirl rather than Katanna as Batman's partner, but I'm just a tad afraid of what they might change in that instance.

Another thing irking me about this series slightly: the lack of alternative outfits on the characters. Tatsu is still in the same jumpsuit. Bruce is in the same shirt and jacket.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


TwoPair posted:

I understand where you're coming from, but that's just a symptom of cartoons in general. Watch old BTAS episodes and Bruce has like, 2 outfits besides the mustard suit, tops. It's just a way to help kids identify characters easier.

VVV: But Morrison's Pyg was hosed up, man. Something had to give.

We haven't even reached one change yet, so we'll see where that goes. One thing I can appreciate about this series is that they're using new characters that haven't really shown up in animated form before. Pyg is quite new and is a weaker, more kid friendly but much crazier Poison Ivy in a strange sense. Anarky is from the early 90s and kept on showing up throughout that decade. Given the character's history, making him this utterly incompetent is...amusing in a sort of twisted way. Finally Magpie is a C-list villain so there's pretty much everywhere to go other than already trodden ground with her.

Given that they're using new villains, I'd probably expect someone like Hush to show up near the end of the season or something.

Are there previews for the next episode for this series or is it pretty much a surprise at what happens next at this point.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


scorpiobean posted:

After reading people talking about it in this thread, I've been watching Mystery Inc on Netflix and it's pretty awesome. I like that there's an over-arching mystery and that it sort of both stays true to and simultaneously subtly sends up all that is Scooby Doo. Plus adding a little more depth to the characters in the meantime. From what I remember reading here, it sounds like it got canned which is too bad.

Also this might just make sense to anybody who lives in the state of New York, but Mr. E sounds like the guys who does the New York lotto commercials on the radio lately.

It got two seasons and tied them up quite nicely. It's a shame there wasn't more, but good shows tend to suffer like that what with scheduling and all impacting when new episodes showed up.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


SlothfulCobra posted:

Kids Next Door was okay, but the thing I never liked about the later seasons was how all the worldbuilding of the whole KND organizations was just made up on the fly, and it was pretty clear that the writers were all making it up on the spur of the moment as opposed to planning anything out.

There was some good writing, but I think most of the writers cared more about references and parodies than about the actual show they were working on. I haven't rewatched the show, but as I remember, something like 90% of the show was composed of parodies of movies, shows, and genres.

One episode stands out when talking about all of this. I don't remember the title of it, but essentially is was 1 basically doing a parody of "The Second Renaissance" from The Matrix which also had a cameo of a kid in an Ash outfit from Pokemon. The ideas in that story, while mostly thrown out, had a few retained if I recall correctly and brought up later.

Also, loaded with references and made up on the fly, that's how one would describe a typical tabletop RPG campaign.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


horriblePencilist posted:

Two fantastic details in the latest Teen Titans Go:


There's a textbook redditor for a split second (standing in line to kiss Raven, of course).


Cyborg's Robo-eye has an 8-bit star.

Someone working on that show is either a Goon, an Anon or someone well acquainted with the internet and what is right.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


icantfindaname posted:

Pretty much all adult-audience animated sitcoms get away with looking like trash because ~*irony*~

The Critic seemed pretty good for its time. Mission Hill also seemed decent.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


ConanThe3rd posted:

Why would they even do that?

Appeal to a different generation.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Y-Hat posted:

It stayed consistent in quality throughout its run, but that last season dragged out over the course of three years and two tie-ins with recent Disney acquisitions, so it clearly ran its course. Plus, Povenmire and Marsh are doing something else anyway, and they've probably wanted to start a new thing for a while. Eight years is a long time to work on any show. Most showrunners get bored doing the same thing all the time- Stephen Colbert got tired of doing his pundit character, and even Seth MacFarlene is getting kinda sick of Family Guy. The Simpsons is the exception to the rule, of course.

The last season being dragged out for specials is pretty typical as it's preparation for reruns and maximizing the overall show length without an increase in production cost. I think Fairly Odd Parents was like that, but apparently there's still new seasons which boggles the mind.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


HorseRenoir posted:

Official press release


Good to hear that Tsurumaki is on board, I heard that he wasn't interested in a new season for the longest time.

He's looking for that sweet US anime fan dosh.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


MrSlam posted:

My favorite part of Mystery Inc (aside from the insane mythology) was that they turned Fred and Daphne into characters I could actually care about. Fred ended up being one of the funniest drat characters I've seen in a cartoon in a while.

Also the Flim Flam/Scrappy Doo reference. I was kind of hoping they were going to drop Ghoul School/Boo Brothers/Reluctant Werewolf references too.

Velma: "Why are you so out of shape? Didn't you work as a coach at a boarding school over the summer?"
Shaggy: "I'm gonna level with ya. I was hallucinating most of the time."

I would've gone with Shaggy exaggerating the events to a ludicrous degree

But same in expanding the characters to levels that make them far more interesting than their base archetypes. Velma being the least well off of the group was sorta surprising as much as Shaggy being rather well off.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


BioEnchanted posted:

Did anyone ever watch the canadian show "Strange Days at Blake Holsey High"? I watched it online a few years ago and enjoyed it despite where things just get silly, because it has a decent sense of worldbuilding and some fun twists. The Janitor was a fun character with moments of personality beyond generic mysteriousness and I liked where all the seeds came to fruition, like the Palladium floor in the science room and the Frictionless Chi ball.

Also the episode where Lucas gives himself x-ray eyedrops had an inspired twist. He uses his x-ray vision to break into the shady scientist's office to locate the macguffin, only to bark his shin on a table and realise he didn't see it at all. His xray vision has become so potent he is seeing through everything - he is legally blind. He fumbles his way to the phone and calls his friends for help.

I remember watching that show in the US a while back when Discovery had a Saturday morning block on a network iirc. I recall CN actually making something similar during their bizarre live action period. It only lasted a season but it showed a lot of promise.

Fake edit: it was NBC's Saturday morning block that was a partnership with Discovery.

Actual edit: It was Tower Prep and it was created by Paul Dini.

Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Apr 5, 2016

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


CuddlyZombie posted:

So now that I'm all caught up, is there any rhyme or reason as to when new Gumball episodes air, or is it like other CN shows where they just kind of appear without warning or fanfare every few months and there is no schedule?

There is a rhyme and reason. No one outside of programming knows what it is however. Ostensibly, it's when they figure they can maximize ratings and eyeballs. In reality, it looks like it's a bit all over the place. That being said, they seem to tend to premiere new episodes for a few shows at a time so as to maintain a constant level of hype overall. The exception seems to be when they run out of episodes for all of their shows to make any significant burst of premieres or during a "holiday period" where they'll just marathon or prepare specials.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


computer parts posted:

It's probably not going to inconvenience you too much to watch a 10 minute cartoon and form your own opinion.

Not in between all the great anime this season

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Quest For Glory II posted:

Are Trigger's shows any better than their other shows, cause like, there's a marked difference between Little Witch Academia and, well, everything else they've made

One has Kamina with red hair. The other had Inferno Cop's boss

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


The Ayshkerbundy posted:

Wasn't allowed to watch it as a kid because of the crude humor, though I do remember enjoying the times I secretly watched it. I find it interesting that it (and it's spin off I Am Weasel) were the only ones of the in-house (as in, made by Hannah Barbera/CN Studios) Cartoon Cartoons to have a radically distinct artstyle until Robot Jones. (Ed, Edd n Eddy, Mike, Lu & Og, Courage, and Sheep in the Big City were made by other production companies)

Robot Jones looked like it had a lot of potential and it was a shame it was cancelled so early. At least, that's the sentiment I had back then. It's been a while since I've seen it so I dunno how it's aged, but I feel like Regular Show hits a lot of the same retro humor jokes.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Dr Christmas posted:

I think themes of the 2010s are looking like colorful, chaotic fantasy and/or sci-fi mashups, tonal shifts from wacky to deadly serious to touchy-feely, and awkward romances.

Also, everything is 11 minute episodes

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


The Ayshkerbundy posted:

Also the animation has so many blatant and obvious errors it's not even funny.

please show them off.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


HorseRenoir posted:

Jeez, some of these errors are really blatant. Everything about this show feels so low-effort and cheaply made, much more so than any of the other stuff coming out of CN Studios. Were they in a rush to blaze through production and get it on the air?

That's the only reason I can give. Whoever was supposed to check and/or fix the cuts didn't and just sent it forward.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


PhazonLink posted:

The hell is this? Some failed concpet art for a dead on arrive pilot?

Also if they want Batman teen, reboot Beyond.

For something with less raves and analogues to actual drugs, maybe they could adapt Gotham Academy

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


ElCondemn posted:

There is a recent remake/sequel, it's on Hulu, it's called Gatchaman Crowds. I never watched the original cartoons but I do know there was an original anime version in the 70s, then an 80s version that was based on the original. And I think there were some other series in between then and now, maybe in the 90s. I'm not sure how/if all of these series tie in or if they're just remakes using the same character designs and/or stories.

Crowds is basically related to the original Gatchaman in name and stylistic choices only. The plot is essentially disconnected and otherwise original. It's also good.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Gumball is a great series and it's lack of lore makes it even better rerun fodder so it can be slotted in wherever like TTG or even Clarence (sorta).

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


The Ayshkerbundy posted:

Both AT and RS haven't gotten the best treatment from the network: They never air episodes outside of premiers, premiers can be about as spotty as SU (RS gets better treatment in this regard than AT but still), and they were both moved to a saturday block (until it became apparent that doing so caused ratings to tank). Yet paradoxially (given how RS is slightly treated better by the network than AT), AT is getting a season 9 while RS isn't

AT pushes more merch and has a broader reach across demos than RS I think

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Argue posted:

I would have liked to see them solving mysteries at Miskatonic University and unmasking Cthulhu as Harlan Ellison (or some other famous real author).

Of all the things that use and sometimes abuse Cthulhu mythos, Scooby Doo seems like one of the few to not abuse it.

Too be fair, they already had a Lovecraft paatiche

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


FilthyImp posted:

He kind of says "a dimensional apocalypse has remade your world, and only we are the survivors. Of course, I could intuit all of this happening because I am attuned to changes in reality due to my extensive works, so I also slipped into this brave unknown Who knows what eldritch horrors leaked through the dimensional collapse! Get your rear end to Mars my Theoretical Physics class at Miskatonik U! You can probably kill some time during the road trip solving mysteries, too!"

Which was a cool way of tying MI into the original Scooby Doo episodes.

It is a bit paradoxical when you look at the first episode though since those same mysteries they're presumably solving already happened based on the dummies they have in the museum. Also Flim Flam and Scrappy were made canon in some way. Pup was the only one not to have any reference.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


FilthyImp posted:

I could have sworn there was a flashback bit and the gang was Pupitized.

I'm not sure, but was the museum stuff that the kids had solved, or stuff that the previous Group Of Mystery Solvers experienced and debunked?

Velma knew the identities and the details of each of the unmasked when telling the tour group (which featured an unnamed Don Knotts parody) about the "monsters"

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Sockser posted:

"We met Batman and Robin and the Three Stooges on multiple occasions, why is it impossible to believe I hung out with Vincent Price for a few months?!"

"Because that red shirt still smells like a Bob Marley concert at a Las Vegas buffet after washing it a hundred times"

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Waffleman_ posted:

New episodes of Clarence are coming in November, following the Summer of Steven and Regular Show in Space model of a new episode every weekday, so I guess this is just how CN's doing it now.

If it's the case that no one really cares about premiers on tv, then dumping then like that is probably better than weekly.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012



The metronome ticked back from drama to comedy. Also you don't have to dig too deep for that. Brave and the Bold wasn't that long ago

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Rudoku posted:

It was for a bit, but then Mega-Charizard hosed it up.

Can you elaborate on this?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Thundersword238 posted:

There was also Medaka Box, which went from a Haruhi ripoff to a DBZ ripoff. Does Attack on Titan count as Shounen? All of the female characters in that are great.

Shonen and such are basically defined by what type of magazine they run in. If it runs in Shonen Jump, it's a Shonen. Period. It doesn't matter if it's read by primarily women (see: Prince of Tennis and other sports series) or stars a largely female cast (best I can think of is Fairy Tail or maybe Slayers), the publication it runs in, which intends to appeal to a certain demographic, determines if it's a Shonen or Seinin or whatever.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


Crabtree posted:

So that new Justice League hits the states tonight. I guess at this point Kevin Conroy and Mark Hammil will just keep being Joker and Batman till they die because its fun.

Mark Hamil needs to take some time out to be Trickster again for the Flash series.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


I still get a bit of dissonance between Milo's voice and his design. The voice should go to a character design that's nerdier or goofier looking.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


DoctorWhat posted:

It's... ambitious. Vincent Price is in it!

Isn't Flim Flam also in it?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


I remember getting a promo box for the FoxBox when it started up with a CD-rom in it. Fox really pushed it hard against WB's mainstays of Pokemon and YuGiOh. There was a time in the late 90s however where ABC wss really trying to be competitive with its own programming with shows like Recess and Fillmore on their block called "One Saturday Morning"

Fox and WB were huge into the M-F after school kids programming wars too

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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


The Ayshkerbundy posted:

don't forget the current comic

I'm sure someone will write an edgy comic using or based on the Jetsons soon enough. There's already some for Scooby doo and Wacky Races already.

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