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Baddog
May 12, 2001

Winkle-Daddy posted:

Does anyone work with employees from India? If so, is the phrase "please do the needful" as universally hated as it is at my office?



its crazy how so many of those guys say that. Someone in some english class over there must have decided to have some fun with them and they all picked it up.

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Baddog
May 12, 2001

Vinz posted:

. I have no clue why we have so many of these glorified 120k a year secretaries. Some projects even have two of them :/

In fact I feel bad for the underpaid secretaries that are awesome and do more actual planning and work than anyone else in the office, for around 30k a year.


No doubt, the explosion of project managers is loving annoying. A "good" one will run around and ask you your "status" every half an hour. A "bad" one will hold a meeting in the morning for everyone to report their status and then hide the rest of the day.

I don't see the benefit of either. A decent development manager should be on top of everything and be able to herd kittens on his/her own and make their own spreadsheets/powerpoints for the higher ups.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Sundae posted:

We start with 3 weeks and gain another week every decade.


I actually got that fourth week at 10 years, it was pretty sweet.


Until I realized I had worked there for 10 loving years to get an extra goddamn week of vacation.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Umiapik posted:

Also... in the US, employers can fire any employee, at any time and for any reason? Is that really true? it can't be, surely.

Depends on the state, but most yep.

At my old company, massive layoffs decimated all of the US development offices, but the offices in London and Paris were left to "reduction through attrition" because its so hard to fire you lucky bastards.

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Hey, we've got a feedback/rules discussion thread for the new year up here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4020879

Appreciate any and all of your thoughts.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

tactlessbastard posted:

I need you to go to HR and explain whatever it is that makes you this way

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Shmtur posted:

This is the key right here. Sales isn't going to change, and even if they did briefly, new hires will not know the deal and things will revert back very quickly. This feels like someone doing a CYA to me and using you for it. Make sure you're covered.


Nothing is going to change unless the cost to cover for overpromises is actually tracked and quantified, and then management actually believes the numbers and buys into the idea that sales is costing them more money than they would be if they weren't overpromising so much.

This 15 minute test thing sounds like someone just vented in a meeting and got shutdown with "why don't you use that training software XYZ bought?"

edit: haha ok drat, teen witch you came up with the idea?? ehhhhhh........

Baddog fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 2, 2023

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Renegret posted:

I got one of those, yes you're great we love you you're the best, 3/5 meets expectations reviews.

Later that day my boss is talking to the team, makes eye contact with me, and says, yeah the hardest reviews for me to give are the ones where I think the person deserves high marks, but I'm not allowed to.

I'm not a very observant person but even I picked up on that.

Grading on a curve absolutely sucks. Was in a front line position where they pushed it all the way down to even my team - even though I only had 4 people, was supposed to spread out the scores. And I'd already had to do a couple layoffs, so everyone left was pretty good. I told my boss to give me the "Not Meeting Expectations" score, so I could give everyone else average or up. He took that and got us an exception, so it worked out. But if anyone ever gets inspired to try that - your mileage may vary!

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Renegret posted:

I feel like if you're not handing out raises, it's the perfect opportunity to just inflate everyone's reviews and stroke their ego a little bit.


Exactly, not completely loving someone on a review costs the company nothing. Why do you want to crush morale even further?

But yah, they want to have a list of people ready to go for future rounds.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Zarin posted:

Oh absolutely! Every time.

I'll usually copy the original text into the forwarded message to make it seem marginally less aggro but if I'm really over it I'll just mash FORWARD and SEND.

If I'm in a good mood, understand the person's plight, or just simply generally like them then I'll go ahead and write something new/original.

That last category of person is rapidly getting shorter as of late, though. I wonder if that is how you know you're starting to burn out :thunk:


This isn't some peer or a manager in a parallel org, this is the guys 3-up boss's boss's boss.... might be a real raise/bonus killer to be sending anything aggressive, hah.

Maybe an opportunity to send a private reply emphasizing how on the loving ball you were on this though.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Democratic Pirate posted:

Replying ALL to tell them to stop replying ALL only makes this worse

STOP!!!

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Sundae posted:

Text from the replacement for my boss's boss (I wasn't kidding about them having a replacement already lined up for him): "Come in Friday to clear out your desk."

I called him back for clarity. "Oops, sorry. That came out wrong. I mean that we're giving your office to someone else. Get your stuff out of the office, it's going to a scientist. You still have your job." He's a bit blunt, this guy.

Meanwhile, my old cubicle was given away to someone else because I had an office. So, now I'm supposed to be on-site "in the office" at least three days a week, but I don't have a desk at all. :v:

E: I shall be the homeless compliance engineer, haunting the breakout spaces and wailing "I told you soooooooo" as I drift from building to building.

Ummm I think you need to find a new job. Or tell them you aren't coming in until you have a desk. That isn't in the basement.

Baddog
May 12, 2001
My wife was ahead of the curve on this. When her last local teammate was let go (a decade ago now?), she just started going in less and less, and then not at all. I think the office manager tried to narc on her at some point, but then decided she'd rather just quietly absorb the desk space/etc. Probably made the office managers metrics look better than they were, managing assets for X employees with Y budget has to be a lot easier if some of them aren't actually there.

Anyways, I'd encourage the tactic of just not going in, despite whatever "official policy". See if someone actually hates you enough to get in your poo poo over it.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

putting it in my backpocket for somebody's future red text

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Don't look up

Baddog
May 12, 2001
We got forcefed anaplan because the cto bought a shitload of licenses. Then left to be the cto of anaplan.

It feels ok or maybe even good for really narrow use cases. But trying to port bog standard tracking poo poo into anaplan is weird as hell...

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Democratic Pirate posted:

Generating content is no issue for me, what I need is for ChatGPT to ruthlessly edit and condense my writing down to nothing.

It can do that fairly well. Can actually use "tldr" as the prompt, heh.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

pseudanonymous posted:

Do you have enough pto accrued for that? You’re not allowed to go negative.

Baddog
May 12, 2001
OK, jesus loving christ.

I was hoping the thread would move on or be able to discuss the topic rationally, but I guess I really have to hit buttons.

We all desperately need to educate ourselves on how fascist ideologies take root and grow in a country. Although unfortunately, it seems we are well past the point of needing really deep knowledge on the subject, since the fuckers are running around openly banning poo poo and targeting outgroups left and right. This probably is not the right thread for discussion of it though, and I'm not the right mod to handle that discussion.

Edit again: Fourier Series, I told you over pm's to chill out and that the smart thing to do would be to stop posting in this thread, and then you lay that absolute loving turd of I don't know what in here? You are 100% threadbanned and I need eyes on that post from someone else because every time I read that poo poo I get more angry. get the gently caress out.

Baddog fucked around with this message at 05:49 on May 25, 2023

Baddog
May 12, 2001

wynott dunn posted:

... focused on changing the operating model of the Group. It will involve exposure ....

Hmm. People generally hate change. You want to be the change guy?

Baddog
May 12, 2001
I can hope for a day when we all can wear comfortable clothes and just do our jobs, instead of playing dress-up on the playground and feeling like you really should tell Sally that she needs to wear xyz in order to impress Matthew.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Eric the Mauve posted:

I would never get an interview if pictures were mandatory on resumes, I am the least photogenic person on Earth. My looks are like 5/10 IRL but -1/10 in photographs.

I hear you on this! But a large part of it is just not spending a ton of time taking pictures of yourself, so you don't know not to stare bug-eyed right into the camera with your chin tucked in or whatever. Just need a good photographer and lighting to help you out.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Roundboy posted:

I have been recently tasked to conduct some technical interviews for a role we have open, and a question I like to ask when people mention how much they use x or y is "If you can submit a request to the devs to get something fixed/ adjusted asap and it will guaranteed be completed, what would it be ?"

It really becomes obvious if people actually spent time in a program or just new enough of the keywords to pass initial screening.

People go -off- about powerBI and tableau almost equally. In fact, one person who mentioned they really have nothing they would change in Tableau at all made up my mind he never even opened up the program at all, let alone used it at length


This is good interview question advice!

I can still go off about anaplan, even though it's been 3+ years since I worked with it.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Volmarias posted:

May as well just box up all your poo poo just in case.

Only takes one time getting caught with your poo poo unboxed.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Sundae posted:

They kept a guest shoe closet up at the front security desk like you were renting a lane at a bowling alley or something.

Goddamn, lol. Did they repo your shoes at the front door and you walked to your car in your socks?

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Chainclaw posted:

When I got laid off from that place, they let me come in and get my stuff.

At some point you could say “don’t own nice things because you could get robbed.” Although a cop did tell me that once after someone broke in to my living space and stole things, he told me it was my fault for having nice things that could be stolen.

My first job ages ago I asked for a raise at my performance review because I had busted my rear end off, they said we can go talk to hr about it, hr said you really want that raise? Yah I do. Ok you can gtfo, come back at 5 to get your poo poo. Having to stew around in the city the rest of the day and then wait for my manager to come down and let me in loving sucked. I just wanted to go home. Maybe thats why I've always been the first one to pull the trigger ever since!

Last place I was at this young kid (on his first job) got canned, and he had so much poo poo he was getting escorted back and forth in front of everyone for an hour. All red faced and cursing.

I like a few plants. But if I ever have to go back in an office and I get canned, I'm walking out the door with my laptop bag and a coffee cup. They can clean whatever else up.

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Having worked in supply chain, I really want to believe he has a chief procurement officer. But it's probably chief "product" officer, and the supply chain guy is down in the basement with the red stapler.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

bee posted:

Chief people officer, head of HR.

And I'm a she :thunkher:

Whups on both, sorry.

I thought hr was usually under the COO. So many C-titles now. How many/what else does your company have?

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Zarin posted:

The Something Awful Forums > Ask/Tell > Business, Finance, and Careers > Corporate Megathread: I like to lie to myself that my work makes a difference

:(

That one hurts too much, lol

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Worked in one of those massive cubicle farms stuffed full of late-middle-aged men who have apparently eaten nothing but mcdonalds for 50+ years.

Those bathrooms were a goddamn war zone all day. You really earned your poo poo-on-company-time pay there.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Sundae posted:

I’m more scared of my family’s longevity. They all make it into their late 90s or just break 100, but go through these horrible, drawn-out declines that are both expensive, horrible to watch, and leave the children or grandchildren having to put off major life decisions because their non-working lives are dedicated to elder care.

I’d almost rather have a heart attack and die in my 40s or 50s than put my family through caring for me for a decade+ of senility/fragility.

Man this thread turned grim. I'm not anywhere close (hopefully) to needing it yet, but just looked up how much long term care insurance costs if I try to lock it in *now*.

coverage for $300/day (for only 3 years, I dunno if you can even get "lifetime" policies anymore) already costs $100/month. And from seeing it recently, that $300/day only gets you to about the bare minimum of care/respect.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Beefeater1980 posted:

Pet hate from my younger days was managers who do everything over the phone or face to face so that there is never a written record. Cowards, but with a cockroach-like longevity.

Definitely. Gotta be aware that is a huge reason why some people want to "call to discuss". Ok, but I'm gonna email you afterwards to summarize, "just so I'm sure we are on the same page!"

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

I told some auditors that there was no evidence they could gather via screenshots of what I was showing that that I could not fake.

Also that there was no conclusive way to show that the same code was in production as test, or that the data was accurate in test and I hadn't manipulated it.


Mmmm, how'd that play out?

Feels like best practice is just present a bunch of process flow charts with little arrows at checkpoint boxes and not mention that it is just you on the whole thing w/ zero oversight.

Baddog
May 12, 2001
I had to look chapter up, had never heard of it before.

quote:

Spotify’s core organizational unit is an autonomous squad of no more than eight people. Each squad is accountable for a discrete aspect of the product, which it owns cradle to grave. Squads have the authority to decide what to build, how to build it, and with whom to work to make the product interoperable. They are organized into a light matrix called a tribe. Tribes comprise several squads linked together through a chapter, which is a horizontal grouping that helps to support specific competencies such as quality assistance, agile coaching, and web development. The chapter’s primary role is to facilitate learning and competency development throughout the squads.

Leadership within the squad is self-determined, while the chapter leader is a formal manager who focuses on coaching and mentoring. Spotify believes in the player-coach model: Chapter leaders are also squad members. Squad members can switch squads and retain the same formal leader within their chapter. Spotify introduced a third organizational element, known as a guild. Guilds are lightweight communities of interest whose primary purpose is to share knowledge in areas that cut across chapters and squads, such as leadership, continuous delivery, and web delivery.

what the gently caress

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Would definitely be concerned about getting those out of a place teetering on the edge! And kind of a weird decision to put them with wework to begin with, instead of all the dedicated-to-that-purpose shops.

Baddog
May 12, 2001
I agree that "overqualified for position" is the worst.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Awkward Davies posted:

When I was job hunting a couple years ago I got deep into the interview process with AWS and a bank here in LA.

AWS was something like 2-4 calls with screener, recruiter, a couple other people, an interview day prep call and then a full day remote interview which consisted of 5-6 separate interviews, a portfolio review with a panel, and then a design exercise. The design exercise was at the end of the day and I think that sunk me because I was fried after interviewing all loving day. Total calls must have been approaching 10? This was for a Senior UX Designer position.

The bank was a call with the recruiter, two calls with the manager, one call with the team, another call with the manager, a group interview with bank leadership. Total calls was 6. They never bothered to tell me I didn't get the job. This was for a UX manager position.

Amazon put the technical one at the end of the day for me too! Same deal with being completely wiped at that point after 6 hours of bullshitting through all their "talk us through an example of how you demonstrated one of our 30+ core principles". Couldn't talk straight let along think anymore. Apparently not being a "bar raiser" (gotta demonstrate above the team average skills) was what did me in. Never mind my long track record of coming up to speed quickly on whatever the hell I need to learn. Too old, too slow, whatever, gently caress off.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

priznat posted:

.... but another group just sent me an offer instead. I guess if you are at a certain level of doing ok at an interview this is a thing so they don’t need to redo much other than a quick chat with a different manager.

That was nice in principle, but I got bounced around *several* of their recruiters afterwards who didn't seem to know wtf. Including a cross border thing like you mentioned.

"This seems like a good fit and Vancouver actually sounds pretty cool, I'd be open to a move. What do I need to get going to work there as an American?". "oh poo poo uhh yah my bad this was supposed to be Canadians only".

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Used to work for an enterprise software company where the customers were on the order of large state enterprises, not 50m companies. The sales and business development folks were insanely good, just the most charismatic motherfuckers you have ever met. And the commissions they made were eye popping.

We got bought, and the new ownership did not like paying commission. Not on anything, but especially not on mega deals. Everyone got put on salary, and they all almost immediately left. Sales tanked, company tanked, we got resold about two years later for ~1/20th of what they bought us for.

Much respect for all that schmoozing and relationship building. I wasn't in sales (obviously, hah), but their work got me some nice bonuses, and while we had awesome sales it was the best job I've ever had. Laying almost my whole team off after that sucked!

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Baddog
May 12, 2001

priznat posted:

Yeah I was in favour of this even before the global pandemic.

Empty quoting but afraid this is going into mods.xls as "moderator encouraging violence against coworkers"

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