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dude you are making GBS threads me right three year old vehiclesVolguus posted:Nice. One thing that has stopped me from ever considering the used luxury vehicles (BMW, Audi, Mercedes) market was the impression that maintenance would be very expensive on them. Since my "mechanic" skills are non-existent I'd have to pay for one and for parts, so that was always a show-stopper. Maintenance and repairs are more expensive on a unit basis as well as occurring more frequently. If you want a car that goes when you press the go pedal without breaking the bank buy like a V6 Camry or a Honda Accord 2.0T.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:dude you are making GBS threads me right three year old vehicles Wait, they make a turbo accord?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:dude you are making GBS threads me right three year old vehicles There is some analysis I ran across at one point that graphed Lexus vs Audi vs BMW vs MB for issues per 100 vehicles starting in 2001. Early on ze Germans had numbers 300% higher than Lexus but recently their numbers have approached and in some cases surpassed Lexus. Edit: I am not saying a C300 is cheaper to maintain than a Camry. I am saying that the number of issues is not as far apart as they were historically and are actually nearly on par. Murgos fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 22:17
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VelociBacon posted:Wait, they make a turbo accord? am i being wooshed or something all accords are turbo now except the hybrids
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Apr 9, 2020 22:25
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Murgos posted:That was just what was to hand. But it generally follows that cars that have a lot of problems later in life also had a lot of problems earlier in life (bath tub curve). Hmm ... now you're making me look at them again. Just goes to prove that intuition is wrong when confronted with cold hard numbers.
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Apr 9, 2020 23:16
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So uh... I want that GDI. When it come?
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Apr 9, 2020 23:21
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Volguus posted:Hmm ... now you're making me look at them again. Just goes to prove that intuition is wrong when confronted with cold hard numbers. that dude is vastly underrating the cost of ownership difference I mean I own two german cars right now, one of which is a horrible money pit, and I would never sell it, but its something you better go in to with your eyes open.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:am i being wooshed or something all accords are turbo now except the hybrids No I guess I just haven't paid attention to Hondas for awhile. I always associated them with small displacement NA VTEC motors.
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quote:One thing that has stopped me from ever considering the used luxury vehicles (BMW, Audi, Mercedes) market was the impression that maintenance would be very expensive on them. Since my "mechanic" skills are non-existent I'd have to pay for one and for parts, so that was always a show-stopper. I think the internet anecdotes and horror stories are blown out of proportion, at least for the more plebeain models, BUT if you truly don't have any ability or desire to turn your own wrench or get to know how the car works, don't look at used German cars. Just doing the basics yourself and having some troubleshooting & diagnostic skills will save you buckets of money. You don't need to be a pro mechanic, but if you take it into the shop (or worse, the dealer) for every little minor thing you'll get nickel and dimed to death. I've had a 2004 BMW for almost 10 years now, and it's a really fantastic car that I can't bring myself to get rid of, but I've saved thousands of dollars doing the little things myself and having a decent sense of the car's mechanical health. I still take it to an independent shop for major work and occasional routine things I can't be arsed with, but most of the little things I do myself, or at least try to diagnose myself before involving the shop. Overall it's been a great car that's only left me stranded once in ten years, but it has not at all been a "gas and forget" type of car. Guinness fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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So I’m considering purchasing a VW (there’s a nice 2017 Jetta and Golf in the area). With maintainability in mind, what would you pick? Realistically, I’m not sure how much I’d really do, but I think I’d be up for the basics and maybe brakes and suspension. Would one really be worse? Both felt like good cars with nothing obviously wrong.
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they probably have the same drivetrain but the golf is probably a lot nicer inside and generally has a better build quality. i prefer hatchbacks to sedans. im finally going to take my gti to the dealer for the first time since i bought it 2.75 years ago, the loving keyfob batteries keep draining themselves within weeks of installing a new battery!
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The Golf is slightly nicer inside and out, but the powertrain is the same. Mk.7s were all built in Puebla for North America, so there isn't a build quality difference between the Golf and Jetta. They came off of the same line. They are equally easy/hard to work on. I would buy the Golf. I think the Jetta feels slightly cheap (because it is made to a slightly cheaper price point).
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Sure, the Golf is definitely better equipped and not that much more. I’ve enjoyed my Hondas, but I’m not really finding anything used that’s too appealing. The figures I’ve found seem to say that a VW is probably going to cost more to maintain/own. Would that be fair to say?
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Yes, I would say on average you'll spend 20-25% more on maintenance and repair. Parts are somewhat more expensive. Independent labor is somewhat more expensive - a lot of shops won't work on VWs and you don't want them to. Find a German specialist for work. Do your scheduled maintenance on-time and on-spec without cutting corners, this will save you money in the long run.
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VelociBacon posted:No I guess I just haven't paid attention to Hondas for awhile. I always associated them with small displacement NA VTEC motors. Not only does the Accord have a 2.0 turbo motor, it's available with a 6 speed. And it has a 5.5 second 0-60. For $30k. That is a screaming deal in the new car world.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Independent labor is somewhat more expensive - a lot of shops won't work on VWs and you don't want them to. Find a German specialist for work. Do your scheduled maintenance on-time and on-spec without cutting corners, this will save you money in the long run. That said there are lots of dedicated VW shops staffed by people who are passionate about VWs. You may not want to mod your VW but they should still be able to help you with pretty much anything you need assuming you don't just use the dealer.
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dialhforhero posted:So uh... Unfortunately given the Covid poo poo, I'd say 2-3 years.
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Murgos posted:That said there are lots of dedicated VW shops staffed by people who are passionate about VWs. You may not want to mod your VW but they should still be able to help you with pretty much anything you need assuming you don't just use the dealer. Yeah, I’m lucky enough to have two local independent shops nearby. The Golf would need its 60K service in a year, plus a few things now (brake fluid, cabin air filter), so I think I’ll try talking them down a bit once I have some numbers. Also, is it a lifetime fluid in the 5-speeds? No filters either right?
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I would never trust a lifetime tranny fluid ever. I have a Pontiac G6 and at 100k I flushed and cleaned out my transmission fluid. Even though there were no chips and the fluid was fine I still believe the $150 or whatever is worth it to maintain a healthy transmission.
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dialhforhero posted:I would never trust a lifetime tranny fluid ever. I have a Pontiac G6 and at 100k I flushed and cleaned out my transmission fluid. Even though there were no chips and the fluid was fine I still believe the $150 or whatever is worth it to maintain a healthy transmission. Makes perfect sense. I did end up getting the Golf (!), so I'll be spending some time getting acquainted with what's in store.
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Good loving god do I have stories about the C5 allroad my buddy had. If we weren't drunk 20 year olds and he hadn't had a significant drug problem there would probably be a lot less... Content edit: MY GIRLFRIEND got a Tiguan S. It's basic transport but the backseat is functional (I'm 5'8") and it has A/C so no real complaints. 
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Crunchy Black posted:Good loving god do I have stories about the C5 allroad my buddy had. If we weren't drunk 20 year olds and he hadn't had a significant drug problem there would probably be a lot less... On this topic, does anyone have any thoughts about the latest gen A4 Allroad? My wife wants a wagon for her next car and I may get something sooner (this year) rather than next year if we don't die/still have jobs. Does the air suspension still love breaking? Is the A6 going to be significantly better/worse?
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if you're asking about a C5 A6, do not purchase one unless you are prepared to drop thousands on it every year. i had the sedan, not the allroad, and I probably spent 1.5-3k on it a year. the allroad is worse, even.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:if you're asking about a C5 A6, do not purchase one unless you are prepared to drop thousands on it every year. i had the sedan, not the allroad, and I probably spent 1.5-3k on it a year. the allroad is worse, even. Weird. I have the ultra low power 2.4L V6, 1999 year sedan with 5spd tiptronic & quattro. 327000km's, have owned it for 15 years. Normal wear parts, nothing "big". Except of course lots of oil leaks, 3rd breather hose thingy, front control arms. Had to replace rear springs this year, and one door lock mechanism. Of course parts are cheap in Europe, and mechanic only asks 71€/h. They service only VAG cars. Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:if you're asking about a C5 A6, do not purchase one unless you are prepared to drop thousands on it every year. i had the sedan, not the allroad, and I probably spent 1.5-3k on it a year. the allroad is worse, even. I meant the B9 for the A4 and the C8 for the A6. Did the C5 A6 also have the air suspension?
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Residency Evil posted:I meant the B9 for the A4 and the C8 for the A6. Did the C5 A6 also have the air suspension? It had a serious maintenance problem which Audi marketed as an air suspension.
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Residency Evil posted:On this topic, does anyone have any thoughts about the latest gen A4 Allroad? My wife wants a wagon for her next car and I may get something sooner (this year) rather than next year if we don't die/still have jobs. Does the air suspension still love breaking? The B9 allroad doesn't have air suspension, it's pretty much entirely just a regular A4 underneath with a slightly raised ride height. It should be no more or less reliable than any other B9 A4, for whatever that is worth.
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Don't have a garage or spot to do my own work these days. Would a 1st gen A7/S7 be a nightmare to own out of warranty?
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blk posted:Don't have a garage or spot to do my own work these days. Would a 1st gen A7/S7 be a nightmare to own out of warranty? After taking the bumper off and changing some parts on my B6 Passat, and seeing that my parent's '18 Q3 is virtually a reskinning of the same design/chassis, I don't see the A7 of that era to be any different than other VAG cars... meaning that the Germans are still mad about WWII and are passive-aggressively taking it out on us by way of much too complicated designs for no loving reason.
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dialhforhero posted:I would never trust a lifetime tranny fluid ever. I have a Pontiac G6 and at 100k I flushed and cleaned out my transmission fluid. Even though there were no chips and the fluid was fine I still believe the $150 or whatever is worth it to maintain a healthy transmission. Is this pretty much the accepted opinion? Seems like every manual VW transmission is supposed to be lifetime fluid. Genuinely curious if everyone agrees or disagrees. Pryor on Fire fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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Pryor on Fire posted:Is this pretty much the accepted opinion? Genuinely curious if everyone agrees or disagrees. Seems like every manual VW transmission is supposed to be lifetime fluid. My VAG/Merc/BMW specialty mechanic really recommends it but also he makes money from it so who knows.
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"lifetime" fluid in manufacturer terms means somewhere between "out of warranty" and 150k miles. If you plan on having it longer, change it IMO.
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Oh my god never ever trust lifetime fluid no matter who
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Ihmemies posted:Weird. I have the ultra low power 2.4L V6, 1999 year sedan with 5spd tiptronic & quattro. 327000km's, have owned it for 15 years. Normal wear parts, nothing "big". Except of course lots of oil leaks, 3rd breather hose thingy, front control arms. Had to replace rear springs this year, and one door lock mechanism. - Valve cover gasket (twice) - Catalytic converters (both) - Wheel speed sensors (a million times) - O2 sensor - All control arms - 3 starters - Labels on all interior switchgear completely wear off - Windshield trim flew off on the highway - Car drowns itself when sunroof and battery drains inevitably clog up and flood the passenger side footwells, creating numerous electrical problems - Bloodcurdling baby screams as you approach the vehicle I also owned a wagon with the 2.8, it threw both the steering rack and the transmission before I hit 100k miles. I love driving C5 A6 perhaps more than any other car, and I hate owning C5 A6 perhaps more than any other car.
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Ihmemies posted:Weird. I have the ultra low power 2.4L V6, 1999 year sedan with 5spd tiptronic & quattro. 327000km's, have owned it for 15 years. Normal wear parts, nothing "big". Except of course lots of oil leaks, 3rd breather hose thingy, front control arms. Had to replace rear springs this year, and one door lock mechanism. the absolute guaranteed problems with the C5 are the 2.7TT and the air suspension so you've avoided both of those.
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I'm thinking about doing some refreshing on the Golf over the summer, just the brakes and shocks are what I'm thinking so far. Neither job should be too terrible, should they? Anybody able to get torque specs for the various fasteners for either of those jobs? Also, would this Triple Square Bit Socket Set be good enough for relatively light use?
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torque specs are available in the service manuals, poke around the vortex and you should be able to find PDF copies
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nitsuga posted:I'm thinking about doing some refreshing on the Golf over the summer, just the brakes and shocks are what I'm thinking so far. Neither job should be too terrible, should they? Anybody able to get torque specs for the various fasteners for either of those jobs? Also, would this Triple Square Bit Socket Set be good enough for relatively light use? Rear brake caliper bracket bolts. lol.
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meatpimp posted:Rear brake caliper bracket bolts. lol. Yeah, maybe that disqualifies the light use statement, cause I do want 'em to work. I could spend more money, but I don't think there's any intermediate between tool trucks and stuff like this.
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nitsuga posted:Yeah, maybe that disqualifies the light use statement, cause I do want 'em to work. I could spend more money, but I don't think there's any intermediate between tool trucks and stuff like this. Oh, I bet the tools are fine. The bolts are just a combination of a) bad location and b) tight as balls. Makes them a fun little job.
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