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Nice piece of fish posted:Well, that's lovely. Thanks for the pointer anyway. Yeah, our record is uhhh, pretty...bad....
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Nice piece of fish posted:Well, that's lovely. Thanks for the pointer anyway. in short, if you wipe 99% out you can fit the remainder on land nobody else wants not exactly recommended
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Yeah, our record is uhhh, pretty...bad.... Comparatively, you wouldn't believe how lovely a lot of natives have been treated in europe and asia. I mean, mostly stopping short of genocide. I was more thinking of native's rights in the US (or Canada and Mexico, for that matter) in TYOOL 2017, because I don't really know very much about that subject and I couldn't find a comprehensive anything about it. Last I read about was that goddamned Dakota pipeline.
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The paradox is that what we believe today about justice for native populations would have never led our countries to acquire the territories containing those populations in the first place. It will always be a hairy issue, unless contemporary powers want to just give the land back.
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Didn't NZ pretty much give a lot of land back to the Maoris upon finally acknowledging the treaty between the brits & maoris had translation issues?
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I don't think there's any giving the land back at this point. But, I'm in favor of reparations for African Americans and first Nations people.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Comparatively, you wouldn't believe how lovely a lot of natives have been treated in europe and asia. I mean, mostly stopping short of genocide. I was more thinking of native's rights in the US (or Canada and Mexico, for that matter) in TYOOL 2017, because I don't really know very much about that subject and I couldn't find a comprehensive anything about it. Last I read about was that goddamned Dakota pipeline. What happened to native americans in the US can really only be described as a shockingly effective genocide. It was a no man, no problem approach to solving the problem of native rights. An entire continent of people is now a tiny minority.
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Abugadu posted:But you can google 'guam plebiscite' and read the court opinion, which judges the CLTC's criteria (which was used in the plebiscite's law as the legal definition for those allowed to vote) as race-based and requiring strict scrutiny Ah, ok; I see that Guam's organic act specifically incorporated the relevant part of the 14th amendment, making Tuaua v. US irrelevant.
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evilweasel posted:What happened to native americans in the US can really only be described as a shockingly effective genocide. It was a no man, no problem approach to solving the problem of native rights. An entire continent of people is now a tiny minority. I can't speak in totality for all of eurasia, but conditions for native populations have been if not as outright hostile as the USA-native american warfare, obliteration of language, culture and traditional trades and crafts (effectively extinguishing the cultural uniqueness of indigenous peoples) and assimilation policies have been very widespread and very effective overall, and didn't really ever stop. Russia and China are particularly bad, but there are no innocent nations. None. There have been attempts and arguments made for certain reparations, but progress is slow because there's a good amount of political opposition to this idea, and in Europe the refugee issue has pushed it way way back. I honestly don't see the US as dramatically worse, even if there's an obvious question of scale which isn't comparable. Then again, I don't really know the scope of the native american genocide, because it's simply not taught over here in any comprehensive way.
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Kimsemus posted:I'm finishing my 1L year, and landed an internship at the U.S. State Department, I wonder how lucky I got versus how much already having a security clearance helped. My career services office said it was a 11 out of 10 position since I want to go back to working for the fed anyway. A few of my classmates are pretty salty about it, so I don't know. Are you going to be at L or somewhere else at State, mocking aside? When I got hired at Justice there was no consideration of clearance before hiring decisions, at least as far as I could tell. I mean given everything right now, I'm glad I left the DoJ, but you can still find a good gig at the government. A guy I know who's currently private sector (not biglaw, but compliance at an I-bank) has gotten hired at L, apparently, but with a start time of "um, we'll get you more information when we know it, but don't expect anything within the next few months."
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Every time you think no one could have been treated as poorly as native americans, remember that Australia is just America with social views about 40 years behind the US and deadlier snakes. Fuuuuuuuck, they were still removing children in the 70s. Oh and when they apologized in 2008, there was a strong opposition to apologizing.
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nm posted:Every time you think no one could have been treated as poorly as native americans, remember that Australia is just America with social views about 40 years behind the US and deadlier snakes. Yeah the aussies are a million times worse. I went to their history museum to learn about their native culture and whoops, turned out we forcibly stole all their children on purpose to eradicate all oral tradition and now have no idea what the aborigines were up to. Great times
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nm posted:Every time you think no one could have been treated as poorly as native americans, remember that Australia is just America with social views about 40 years behind the US and deadlier snakes. America didn't really stop doing the non reservation Boarding school approach until like the late 70s, tho it was "voluntary"
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I recently learned about Canadian Residential Schools (which basically kidnapped First Nations children to "christianize and civilize" them, and all the things that euphemism entails), which apparently didn't officially shut down entirely until 1996. So good job Canada, you suck too I guess
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JohnCompany posted:Are you going to be at L or somewhere else at State, mocking aside? When I got hired at Justice there was no consideration of clearance before hiring decisions, at least as far as I could tell. I already had clearance so that wasn't an issue, they put me in the Bureau of Legislative Affairs, I don't know much beyond that. 
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I've traveled a lot and the only country I've been to where it felt like the natives were treated well was New Zealand. Lots of countries even have museums about how poo poo they treated and even still treat their native cultures.
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Can confirm Australia is the worst.
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mastershakeman posted:Didn't NZ pretty much give a lot of land back to the Maoris upon finally acknowledging the treaty between the brits & maoris had translation issues?
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Similarly, the term "lawyer" is pejorative. We prefer the term "wage slave."
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OMG guys. I think I finally got a SovCit in traffic court. He thinks he can't have been speeding in Texas because its not the STATE OF WASHINGTON.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:22
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Yessssssssss. Full story. Now.
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New lawyer starts in my government office. Went to a for profit school, but licensed 5 years. I take her on a work trip to teach her our niche practice. I learn that she 1) drives uber at night, 2) rents out her apartment on air bnb, and 3) has maxed out credit cards. I mean, I'm not rich, and I'm not great with money - but I don't have to drive uber to make ends meet. What the gently caress.
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JohnCompany posted:Yessssssssss. I won't find out until pre-trial in two weeks!
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:New lawyer starts in my government office. Went to a for profit school, but licensed 5 years. I take her on a work trip to teach her our niche practice. Has she not heard of IBR?
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Non-federal loans man.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Non-federal loans man. I just got chills.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Non-federal loans man. I still can't believe that I'm losing $350/mo simply because I checked the wrong box on my FAFSA 10 years ago. Why do they even let you take out private loans, honestly
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http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21719409-odd-legal-status-intended-help-prevent-pollution-and-other-abuses-new-zealand-declares Speaking of NZ, this is pretty kickass. Rivers are people now for legal purposes. Hell yes
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“Your Honor, the courtroom is flooding!” “No, the Plaintiff is merely appearing pro se.”
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gently caress me in the knee. Just lost a case against the justice department, and the judgment is a pile of bullshit. Goddamnit. Client is very unlikely to want to appeal either, because then it gets real expensive. You'd think mere factual lack of innocence would be no reason to rule against someone, but it turns out no. Will beer and a semi-decent scotch remedy this? I believe a sovcit informed me I'm entitled to a remedy under admiralty law or something.
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If you're not drunk all day regularly then I can't help you bud.
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Nice piece of fish posted:gently caress me in the knee. Just lost a case against the justice department, and the judgment is a pile of bullshit. Goddamnit. Client is very unlikely to want to appeal either, because then it gets real expensive. You'd think mere factual lack of innocence would be no reason to rule against someone, but it turns out no. Your admiralty remedies are rum, buggery, and the lash, or any combination thereof.
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joat mon posted:What was the issue? Can't really go into details, but basically police have municipal authority over firearms, driver's licenses (etc) and other specific licencing and may under certain circumstances recall a licence. There's a really weird chain of appeal on those decisions, ending in the supreme court though this case will die in the lower courts. Basically, the specific case is really marginal to the applicable ruleset and really kind of a grey area with cases going every which way and no supreme court rulings on the matter since maybe the early nineteen hundreds? Hard to predict outcome, at least. One of the big reasons it was even a case to begin with is that it's part of a recent trend of increasing municipal authority overreach that stems solely from departmental directives and internal policy and has no basis in actual law (where nothing has changed the last 10-20 years), pretty much just municipal authority testing the legal boundaries of their decisions. Most of the time, David loving eats it and Goliat goes his merry way. I like all those suggestions, but it's not quite the weekend yet. I'll take it under advisement.
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I've been trying to avoid making this the "SlyFrog Depression Thread," but I had to share this, after all the discussion of MTHFR and such. So I was trying to figure out this thing, etc. And I was looking through the list of drugs I have taken (which my psychiatrist definitely has - I literally wrote the entire list of drugs I have tried for him and it was included, and I also know it is in my electronic medical record which he has). I notice something called "Deplin." I assume it was just some SSRI or something that one of the two psychiatrists I've seen in the past had me try. I look it up, and what is it? The exact L-Methylfolate that WhiskeyJuvenile was talking about - the form your body actually uses, as opposed to the folic acid my body cannot properly break down into it. The guy may well have prescribed the wrong thing (folic acid), and on top of which, did not not loving bother to notice that I had already taken the right thing in the past (albeit without any noticeable change, which is why I stopped taking it under doctors instructions to stop).
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New doctor for real. If accused of doctor shopping, use this as Exhibit A.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Non-federal loans man. It's comforting to know that someone out there has made worse financial decisions than me in life. Roger_Mudd posted:New doctor for real. If accused of doctor shopping, use this as Exhibit A. And this, holy poo poo dude.
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ha, one of my coworkers at doc review is an Illinois state rep. probably because they didn't get paychecks for nearly a year due to political infighting but I'm still surprised she wasn't at a firm somewhere
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mastershakeman posted:ha, one of my coworkers at doc review is an Illinois state rep. probably because they didn't get paychecks for nearly a year due to political infighting but I'm still surprised she wasn't at a firm somewhere Go to law school.
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