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Phil Moscowitz posted:write a scathing email cc:allstudents On letterhead. "From the desk of _________" But don't sign it "esq.", that'll get you in trouble.
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# ¿ May 10, 2010 03:03 |
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# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 12:17 |
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Mr. Fictitious posted:AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS I'M FREEEE ...free to join the profession of law, that is. ...which is a pretty lovely definition of "free."
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# ¿ May 13, 2010 12:55 |
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Cormack posted:Holy poo poo I don't have to study for the bar exam again. Hahaha who wants to work in a state that's going to devolve into anarchic city-states within the decade? Just kidding, congrats man! That's a hard loving bar!
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# ¿ May 15, 2010 04:13 |
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TyChan posted:
This a thousand times. Having studied for the bar twice, I can vouch that procrastination is the devil's way. The second time I studied like clockwork, and it worked fine. Skim the reading before the lecture, go to the lecture, outline the lecture (or, in my case, create a mindmap of the topic), do some practice questions, review your prior work, rinse and repeat. It is not a difficult task, it is merely tedious.
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# ¿ May 18, 2010 15:46 |
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from http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/lgl/1745394388.html:quote:Law School Student - Draft List of Appeal Issues $600 cold hard cash, AND I can engage in UPL? Where do I sign up?! See guys, there are jobs out there, for law students no less!!!
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# ¿ May 18, 2010 23:05 |
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I only eat tacos with cheese on them because they are tastier. I met a guy at a party last night who is going to Yale law in the fall, he wants to be an environmental lawyer and he currently works for one of the big environmental nonprofit groups. He's the only 0L interested in environmental law that I haven't tried to dissuade from going to law school.
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# ¿ May 19, 2010 03:02 |
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Duper posted:Signed up for the October LSAT. The next few months should be fun as hell... Make sure you study for it! Take a course. Don't just do old exams.
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# ¿ May 20, 2010 13:43 |
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Roger_Mudd posted:Also if you think the partner has the law wrong, stick to your guns. He or she will appreciate your gumption and determination. I can't tell if you are serious or not. I think that the subordinate attorney should stick to his guns if he thinks the partner is wrong, but the subordinate must have good data to back his position up, and must be very polite and respectful when arguing back. Don't just "stick to your guns" in typical layperson argument mode.
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# ¿ May 21, 2010 18:44 |
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Roger_Mudd posted:What are the odds that a summer associate knows the "correct" law? Heh I forgot we were talking about the 2L summer associate position.
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# ¿ May 21, 2010 21:26 |
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GULC Grading Policy posted:In Fall 2009, the faculty voted to make a change to the recommended grading curve for first-year and upper level examination courses – the new curve is below. In so doing, the faculty also established a grade of A+ to be recorded on official law school transcripts in recognition of truly extraordinary academic performance in a law school class. Because of this high standard, the A+ is not to be routinely awarded – even the best exam or paper in a class might not receive an A+. Please carefully consider whether any A+ grades that you award meet the truly extraordinary academic performance standard. Got my spring grades today. Got an A+ in my advanced wealth transfer tax course. I was the only person to get that grade in the class, and the professors are adjuncts who work at Venable and Baker Hostetler. I am walking on air right now. entris fucked around with this message at 04:18 on May 24, 2010 |
# ¿ May 24, 2010 04:12 |
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HooKars posted:I wish my boyfriend could see how awesome he has it. He works from 9:30/10ish am - 5:30 - 7 pm on most nights. He takes an hour out of the day to workout, then grabs lunch. During his time in the office, he bills almost every hour he's at work and then he just comes home. If he has extra work to do, he works from home but it's rare. I've never seen him actually go into the office on a weekend and he rarely ever works on weekends but if he does, it's usually contained to Sunday night for a few hours. The Iphone stays in the kitchen and not by the bed while we sleep. His paycheck is over $100k, he doesn't kill himself over it, he's hitting his billables, and he likes every single person in his department. He's a second year but both of us still get invited to the firm box for client ball games and hockey games so there are also actually some perks. Did he go from undergrad straight to law school? A lot of people say that they hate their first "real world" job, simply because they've never worked at one before. I've seen this translate into JDs who graduate after going straight through from college, who then get a job at a law firm as their first real job ever, and they hate it and hate it but really only because it's a job and they aren't used to working like adults yet.
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# ¿ May 24, 2010 22:42 |
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HooKars posted:be rich." The best job.
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# ¿ May 24, 2010 23:01 |
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sigmachiev posted:New question (turning away from the difficulties): What was the funnest summer associate activity you did? My favorite activity as a summer associate was confronting my 50-year-old boss about his 30-year-old ex-hooker girlfriend domestically abusing him in his house above the basement home office where I worked. She threw a heavy glass candle holder at him once, and sent him to the hospital with stitches above one of his eyes. Another time she ripped off the rear-view mirror of his lovely 1980s used Porsche and brought it into the office where she chucked it at him. (Perhaps my favorite memory is the time that she came down into the office to hide from the cops.) I particularly enjoyed the part where I said that I couldn't work in such an environment, and that he shouldn't have to either. And then I quit! Ah, to be a 2L again... (all of this true, without embellishment)
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# ¿ May 25, 2010 02:39 |
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Vander posted:Serious question: When a cop pulls someone over, is it a question of law or fact as to whether it is a Terry stop? isn't it a question of law, looking at the totality of the circumstances? /in reality, aren't all vehicle pull-overs also Terry stops? I don't remember.
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# ¿ May 25, 2010 22:20 |
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Draile posted:The LSAT is an extremely learnable test. You can go from average to 90th percentile with enough effort. But the word is effort. Sitting passive in Kaplan won't do it. You have to study the structure of the exam and take lots of practice tests and review them once you're through. Your position is too strong. The LSAT is learnable, certainly, but not extremely learnable. It is very difficult to improve significantly on the LSAT. You're right, the student must really study hard and can't just passively take a Kaplan course and treat it like an undergrad lecture or something. I have rarely seen students who start in the mid 150's get up to 170, more often I see them edge up into the low 160s.
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# ¿ May 27, 2010 20:34 |
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The Warp posted:She's wondering who the gently caress you guys are and where are all the unemployed lawyers you're talking about? She thinks that's there's no harm in going to Western State because she'll get her JD and pass the bar exam like every other lawyer, that they all learn the same damned material and they offered her a really huge scholarship. She thinks that you guys are just saying that she won't have a house by the beach or a cushy corporate firm, but I don't think she understands that it's more dire than that. There was a research paper published recently that discussed whether going to law school was a sound investment. Google that, and show it to her, because it shows pretty conclusively that her current path is not financially sound.
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# ¿ May 28, 2010 02:31 |
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You know what? Your girlfriend has until the fall to withdraw. She should start talking to lawyers, as many as she can, and see what they say. I would put money down that ZERO lawyers tell her to go to WSU. ZERO. if she doesn't like what we're telling her, she needs to go talk to local attorneys, friends of the family or whatever, because they may feed it to her straight.
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# ¿ May 28, 2010 02:47 |
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I love how this thread has devolved into testimonials about unemployment in the legal field. If we keep this up for another two or three pages, this thread is going to become a sucking black hole.
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# ¿ May 28, 2010 14:21 |
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:I'm meeting the Communist Party of China tomorrow. Would it be bad form to beg for a job? I'm willing to run a WoW/Eve gold-farming operation if they'll let me. Why would you have to beg for a job? I thought communism was all about giving everyone what they need? You need a job, ergo...
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# ¿ May 29, 2010 04:15 |
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Stunt Rock posted:I got put on a defendant's "hit list" in a custody case recently, along with the judge hearing the case. I'm closer to dying alone than any of the rest of you now Estate planners are rough-riders too, man. We live on the edge: quote:Alexandria lawyer Kenneth E. Labowitz was sleeping soundly late Tuesday, after preparing for a morning hearing in a routine estate case, when three masked men claiming to be federal police officers forced their way into his home. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47976-2004Dec8.html
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# ¿ Jun 1, 2010 00:43 |
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Ainsley McTree posted:I've posted this before, but it never stops being relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9zy37-_0LU I only got a B in my Defensive Maneuvers for Lawyers class
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# ¿ Jun 1, 2010 02:14 |
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I'm at a conference at UVa law, and I walked around the outside of the JAG building, which is next door. Pretty boring building but it's cool to see people walking around in fatigues and holding casebooks.
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# ¿ Jun 3, 2010 15:56 |
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vibrantglow posted:thanks, won that bet. my friend was convinced they weren't. sucks for him and his embellished story I would like to hear the backstory to this.
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# ¿ Jun 3, 2010 22:26 |
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Hahaha you guys are terrible. I wanted to know what vibrantglow's friend had put in his personal statement, that he would worry about the bar reading it.
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# ¿ Jun 3, 2010 23:55 |
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BigHead posted:I think I just got my first work. A friend of mine is trying to sell his home-made halfpipe (for skateboarding) on Craigslist and asked me advice for writing up something to release him from liability. I told him to gently caress off since I don't pass the bar until next month - knock on wood - but then he offered to actually pay me. I haven't the slightest idea about anything, but I said I'll go for it! Once you are admitted, head down to your local courthouse's law library, and/or your local law school's law library, and look through the stacks for form books or practitioner's handbooks for your jurisdiction. I just did an Asset Purchase Agreement by finding five different agreement forms, cobbling together the provisions that I wanted, editing a few things here and there, and then sending it on to the client. I did a little background research about such agreements first, though, to make sure I wasn't missing some horrible career-ending issue. Easy money. (Not a lot of it, though )
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# ¿ Jun 9, 2010 14:54 |
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Defleshed posted:Just want to say that "undoubtedly totally bitchin" is a phrase that brightened my spirits this day. I recommend flat fees for most estate planning work, at least regarding drafting projects. Charge them a couple hundred dollars, if they are single with simple assets. If they are married, a couple hundred per person. "A couple hundred" can be anywhere from $200 to $500, but I'd keep it under $500 for simple work. If you had an established practice, I think you'd charge more, but just starting out I think those rates are reasonable. But then, that is just my opinion, which is heavily dependent on my experience in my market, which may be very different from your market.
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# ¿ Jun 9, 2010 16:36 |
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Forever Zero posted:While law is in a bad place at least you are not chiropractic students. Something to think about to cheer you guys up. I don't understand how this is supposed to cheer us up. Chiropractors are permitted by law to commit fraud and collect money, they have it pretty damned easy.
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# ¿ Jun 14, 2010 01:00 |
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SWATJester posted:Which is teaching them how to practice fraud, a valuable life skill. You would think that we lawyers were taught this in law school, from the way people talk about our profession.
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# ¿ Jun 14, 2010 02:45 |
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diospadre posted:So law school/chiropractic school are exactly the same. Uh, no. One of them is a school full of quack teachers and naive students, and the other is a school where they teach you how to manipulate the spine to achieve better health.
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# ¿ Jun 14, 2010 04:45 |
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diospadre posted:Unless your uncle will hire you out of school, do not go. Even then do not go unless you actually want to be a lawyer. I Am Not Clever, this is your answer. Non-T1 schools only make sense if you have a family firm that you are planning to enter, because then you are guaranteed a job.
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# ¿ Jun 17, 2010 13:51 |
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toy posted:lol, this is not a troll. i post rarely and don't have time for that poo poo. I'm leaning towards troll, here. We have someone with a 170 / 4.0, who writes like my kid brother.
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# ¿ Jun 20, 2010 02:29 |
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HooKars posted:I applied to a paralegal job asking for 5 years experience at the company that my dad used to work for (and was general counsel for and he submitted my resume to). I was thinking I might actually hear back that I wasn't qualified enough because it required so many years of experience and I only have like 2 years of actual paralegal experience. I see that your father wants to put you into therapy. :\ To not get a job because it "wouldn't be challenging enough" or that it doesn't pay enough, when it's a $60k starting salary, would make me froth at the mouth. Your father has seriously done you harm, and he needs to understand that.
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2010 15:43 |
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Linguica posted:A lawyer who knows that another lawyer has committed a violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct that raises a substantial question as to that lawyer's honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects, shall inform the appropriate professional authority. So, if you don't report Baruch, I have to report you, right? poo poo this is getting recursive.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2010 14:52 |
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What the gently caress is happening to this thread? Do we really need another discussion/explanation of the whole video game guild leader drama thing? Not picking on you, evilweasel, but one mention of bankruptcy law and whoosh this thread went off to the races about Mr. Dargon or whoever. On an unrelated note, I am in the process of interviewing college seniors and recent grads for a low-paying administrative assistant position, and I just had a phone interview with one student who wants to go to law school for "international law and constitutional law." She doesn't like "international law" as much because she isn't that interested in principles of sovereignty, so she thinks constitutional law is a better fit for her. To my credit, I did not laugh into the phone when she said this. Tomorrow I'm going to interview some dude who does mixed martial arts on the side, was in a frat, and wants this job. Pretttty sure he's not gonna fit in at this office, even though I myself love mixed martial arts. entris fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jun 24, 2010 |
# ¿ Jun 24, 2010 15:50 |
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Jack_tripper posted:Since you already have these three crucial pieces of info and have already determined that he's not gonna fit in at that office, why not call and let him know he's wasting his time? Or perhaps just advise him that he won't be getting the job, but if he'd like to interview anyway you'd be glad to accommodate him just to make note of the dumb things he will say so that you may mock him for your internet friends. Well, his cover letter and resume are good, and I don't want to dismiss a frat member just because I'm not a big fan of frats. He's not going to fit in if he's a big party animal and/or a meathead fighter type, but there are plenty of frat boys who aren't assholes and there are plenty of mixed martial arts people who are smart and reasonable. So despite these elements, I'm willing to spend twenty minutes to flesh out my picture of him, because his other credentials are acceptable. edit: also, I don't have internet friends. I just post on the SA forums, which is not the same thing. entris fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jun 24, 2010 |
# ¿ Jun 24, 2010 16:46 |
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CaptainScraps posted:Fighters are weird eggs. From what I've seen over 6 years, it's divided 90/10 into people who believe their future is in fighting (not likely) and successful people who really hate themselves (a lot of which are litigators). Meh, I used to do a lot of that stuff in college and my first year in law school. I know plenty of reasonable people who do that stuff on the side.
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# ¿ Jun 24, 2010 16:56 |
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I took Jewish law but it didn't make me Head Jew. That sucks, man. Re: the frat boy martial artist that I interviewed earlier: Turned out to be a pretty social, personable guy; didn't seem like the brightest bulb in the box, however. I'd bring him back for an in-person interview except... I just interviewed a Ph.D. candidate who was personable, smart, and needs a part-time job while finishing the degree. I think we're going to hire this person.
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# ¿ Jun 24, 2010 20:23 |
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TyChan posted:Since everyone in this thread thinks I'm a moron anyway, I'll just ask. Are you serious about this or is my sarcasm detector failing again? He's totally serious.
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# ¿ Jun 24, 2010 21:29 |
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TyChan posted:3 years of law school and 5 years of being around lawyers has dulled my ability to pick up on sarcasm and irony. If you spend enough time around deluded people devoted to perpetuating rules and systems with little-to-no self-awareness, it does get to you. I've seriously heard similar things spoken seriously in this economy, albeit from risk-averse attorneys who don't have the proverbial (or literal) balls to actually go forward with it. I was trying to give an ambiguous response that would screw with your defective sarcasm detector You were asking whether someone else was sarcastic so I wrote in with a response that could be taken as sarcastic or serious.
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# ¿ Jun 24, 2010 22:57 |
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# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 12:17 |
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Protip for potential 0Ls: if your parents make your life decisions for you, law school is probably not the place for you.
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# ¿ Jun 26, 2010 05:27 |