|
I think we have the longest megathread just yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO".
|
#
¿
May 7, 2010 01:29
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 26, 2024 13:06 |
|
|
JudicialRestraints posted:Lawrence? Since when is 'conlaw' 'buttsex law' ALL law is buttsex law.
|
|
#
¿
May 7, 2010 19:23
|
|
|
Aschlafly posted:Little update from the last thread: Go teach English for a year then reapply. Edit: to Yale.
|
|
#
¿
May 7, 2010 20:09
|
|
|
Aschlafly posted:A day after the deadline, so I'm not terribly surprised. Trust me, you're better off this way. You don't want to know what happens if you blow deadlines as a lawyer.
|
|
#
¿
May 8, 2010 02:49
|
|
|
I've finally reached a milestone. I've got a giant gently caress-off hearing Monday, final Monday, and a final wednesday. I haven't studied for either of those finals. I'm at work today and popping Tums. Don't go to law school.
|
|
#
¿
May 8, 2010 18:27
|
|
|
Solomon Grundy posted:Just wait until you graduate and have a job and there is no celebrating again ever because there is always something billable that you could be doing instead. Plaintiffs' attorneys celebrate when you win because you finally get to eat. Practicing's actually kind of fun if you're a contrarian and love to yell "BULLSHIT" at everything served across your desk. At least for the first year. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 01:20 on May 9, 2010 |
|
#
¿
May 9, 2010 01:16
|
|
|
I answered a policy question in my ADR final with an answer of how civil procedure precluded his question. But gently caress what he wanted, my answer was right. 
|
|
#
¿
May 10, 2010 23:52
|
|
|
Ainsley McTree posted:I think that law school should have an entrance interview requirement, where you have to explain to the interviewer why you want to be a lawyer, what kind of law you want to practice, what's your plan to go about it etc etc to weed out the stupid people like me who think "well my undergrad is useless, why not law school next". It would save a lot of pain. My answer was "I'm an rear end in a top hat and I want to get paid for it." Would that suffice?
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2010 01:54
|
|
|
I'm currently working on an 8 hour take-home for my remedies final and I can honestly say that I just don't loving care.
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2010 16:33
|
|
|
GamingHyena posted:Today I got to waste over half an hour for a pointless hearing because opposing counsel INSISTED our (very low stakes procedural) agreement be on the record. He could have just sent over an agreement for me to sign which would have been just as binding and saved us all a trip to the courthouse, but of course then he couldn't bill his client for the hearing (and travel to and from the courthouse, and waiting around for the hearing, and talking to his client after the hearing, etc.) In a no-evidence summary judgment with a standing judicial order not to file more paper, I had a judge request more briefing after the hearing. 
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2010 02:33
|
|
|
Defleshed posted:Ok so newb lawyer question here: Sue the guy and put the company on notice.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2010 15:36
|
|
|
billion dollar bitch posted:Posner and Easterbrook: which one's the legend, and which one's the god? "Posner...Posner is a legend. But Easterbrook, Easterbrook is a God." --Easterbrook's clerk, now a contracts teacher at Northwestern.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2010 19:40
|
|
|
Roger_Mudd posted:I got a job offer today at a small firm which is great. Bad news is he can't match my current salary until I pass the bar (have one year left of school). Is practicing law (something I want to do) worth a 10%-20% haircut? What field?
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2010 20:54
|
|
|
Roger_Mudd posted:I'd be hired in as mass tort but as the youngest associate I'd be doing family law, PI, and general business law as needed. That's rad as poo poo. If you take it and have any questions about Texas PI, I'll help out.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2010 21:14
|
|
|
Secret Asian Man posted:who. or did you just make this up Litvak. She's new! (ish.) G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 22:12 on May 13, 2010 |
|
#
¿
May 13, 2010 22:06
|
|
|
Solomon Grundy posted:We always try to keep a 1st-3rd year attorney around our office for these sorts of purposes. We call that attorney the office "boy," regardless of gender. That is "boy" as short for "piss boy" a la Mel Brooks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGfXiIXTpE0 Pretty much your job will be arguing with insurance adjusters and sending interrogatories. Have fun.
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2010 02:20
|
|
|
Secret Asian Man posted:does anyone ever actually drop out though I know a girl who dropped out to go to rehab, does that count?
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2010 17:33
|
|
|
soj89 posted:You guys must have some really nutso civpro exams. Ours was 50 multiple choice 10 true false and a 5 mark short answer. What's the American one like? 50 multiple choice questions. Open book, open notes, anything you want to bring. The year before us, a B+ was an 11/50.
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2010 18:23
|
|
|
Is there a motion I can file where I can get a judicial order proclaiming opposing counsel is a fuckface?
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2010 23:26
|
|
|
Tetrix posted:*checks rules book* You know I bet you could squeeze that under Rule 11 as a very colorable accusation. No one goes to federal court, silly.
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2010 23:40
|
|
|
nm posted:Civil or criminal? Civil. Opposing counsel filed a brief to exclude our expert testimony, examining the cited cases on wholly fraudulent grounds- as in outright lying as to what's in them and hoping the judge won't actually read the cases.
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2010 01:25
|
|
|
I'm advertising for a legal assistant to highlight stuff for me today on facebook. Paid internship. But you gotta be top 20% or on law review. With this kind of market I can get that.
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2010 17:50
|
|
|
nm posted:You're about to discover that grades and LR have nothing to do with the quality of a candidate. Oh, I know. That statement was firmly tongue-in-cheek considering I'm a 3L (now).
|
|
#
¿
May 16, 2010 07:01
|
|
|
OptimistPrime posted:So? I had one of those coveted big-firm jobs. I was super busy for a good portion of my time there, and actually made my billable target 10 months into the year. It was miserable, but that's the trade-off you make and I accepted that. Then the client that was responsible for 85% of my billables got pissed at something someone else screwed up, stopped giving us work, and 2 months after that I was canned for a bunch of "performance issues" that had never been mentioned to me before. And even when you are working, the second you think you're getting the hang of things, something will come along and boot you right in the gut.
|
|
#
¿
May 17, 2010 16:09
|
|
|
Yojimbo Sancho posted:First day at my crim/PI firm job. Got here at 8am, boss showed up at 9am. They use word perfect. There's two clerks, only 1 laptop. Given 3 case files. I don't know what is going on. Read the case files and familiarize yourself with the fact patterns. Look at the docket control order and see where the case is. Think about what you'd like to know, and then beg the secretary/clerks for form interrogatories/RFD.
|
|
#
¿
May 17, 2010 16:26
|
|
|
Solomon Grundy posted:Wanna see some 'spergin? It's "affected" not "effected." Spergers tend to gravitate to law review, so they can argue about affected and effected and sperg out about citation formats. I've got a guy riding my rear end about stuff like "in regard to" versus "in regards to" and who stated that it's impossible to use parameter outside of a mathematical context and that I should change the word, despite the fact I was quoting the language from the case.
|
|
#
¿
May 18, 2010 16:34
|
|
|
J Miracle posted:Any other 3Ls feel like they don't have enough credits left to take all the classes they want, or am I just a freak? I have 19 credits of classes all 3L year and I have a shitload I want to take. I know it won't matter because I'll die alone and penniless anyway, but...arrrggghh. You're a freak. You're supposed to take classes that are easy or on the bar and then not go to them.
|
|
#
¿
May 18, 2010 16:43
|
|
|
Roger_Mudd posted:Everyone should come down to Texas, you can get real BBQ (mesquite), real Tex-Mex, and real Mexican food... just saying. Yeah... In Austin. 
|
|
#
¿
May 19, 2010 01:15
|
|
|
7StoryFall posted:Moving further south: arepa de perico are delicious Moving further south: penguins are pretty greasy.
|
|
#
¿
May 19, 2010 01:29
|
|
|
Phil Moscowitz posted:I like tacos on FLOUR TORTILLAS Texas smoked sausage tastes better than that bullshit boudin RICE GOES WITH SAUSAGE, NOT IN SAUSAGE.
|
|
#
¿
May 19, 2010 03:57
|
|
|
Phil Moscowitz posted:boudin balls beg to differ Those are just trussed-up arancine, not fried sausage. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 05:01 on May 19, 2010 |
|
#
¿
May 19, 2010 04:46
|
|
|
Phil Moscowitz posted:also all of that poo poo about not talking, refusing consent etc. is good in theory, but say "officer I respectfully choose to exercise my rights, and I refuse to consent to a search" to a cop who wants to arrest you and you will be going to jail regardless. he'll call the K-9 unit. he'll trump up something to arrest you on and do an inventory search. don't matter one bit. How much legal theory as opposed to factual discovery/argument do you do in criminal work? Criminal work is starting to look appealing because it turns out that in legal malpractice, no one knows what in the gently caress, mainly because there's three different kinds of causation that have to be accounted for G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 01:25 on May 20, 2010 |
|
#
¿
May 20, 2010 01:19
|
|
|
Incredulous Red posted:So what does an ulcer feel like? I want to know this too, I've had to use a few tums in the past week.
|
|
#
¿
May 20, 2010 22:24
|
|
|
Abugadu posted:I think the #1 tip is not waiting for work to come to you, you need to seek it out. Approach the attorneys to ask for work to do. Seems like a no-brainer, but a lot of summer associates do the whole 'sit there and wait' thing, and it never looks good. Someone will always have a project that's interesting (or at least less boring than the others). Seek them out, make yourself at least somewhat integral to things on their end. Local counsel on one of my cases is working the plaintiff's side of the oil spill and it's all I can do to keep from jumping around and yelling "ME ME ME I WANT TO HELP ME OH GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE RICH (even though I don't work for you)." G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 01:10 on May 21, 2010 |
|
#
¿
May 21, 2010 01:06
|
|
|
diospadre posted:I wish I could make something that wasn't paper. You might want to take a laxative then.
|
|
#
¿
May 23, 2010 16:30
|
|
|
nm posted:Seriously, life is not over if you pass the bar and have no job IF you have the ability to work for free at a PD/DA/county atty for ~6mo. Working in poo poo law for 6 months may tank your resume. Sitting around until you get a job will hurt. Working in a PD/DA/county attorney (even for free) is a good thing on your resume because you get real experience. And these offices need labor, they just can't afford to pay you. they'll give you good work too, you'll have more jury trials in 6 months than the managing partner at your civil firm. What qualifies as poo poo law?
|
|
#
¿
May 24, 2010 04:39
|
|
|
Roger_Mudd posted:Is it like that at small firms too? I mean I understand the urgency of work (as I type this at work while not working) but I like having a life.... I mean StarCraft 2 is about to come out! It might depend on which side you're on. Plaintiff's work seems to be in spurts. There are some days we take off early and there are weeks when we work like crazy.
|
|
#
¿
May 24, 2010 20:49
|
|
|
JudicialRestraints posted:Now how the gently caress do I write this motion for summary judgment? I don't even know my state's rules of civil procedure. 1. If it's a traditional motion, familiarize yourself with the law and the facts. If it's a no-evidence motion (if your state has no-evidence motions, make sure there's been adequate time for discovery), familiarize yourself with the facts. 2. Crib from someone else's poo poo. If it's a matter of law and they've hired interns before, there's a memo somewhere. Also find a motion that was actually filed and look at it. 3. Index your evidence somewhere in the motion. If the motion is big enough, index your authority. 4. If you're doing a statement of facts, try to have a physical piece of evidence for every sentence you write. 5. Inline citations for law, footnotes for attached evidence (style preference). 6. If it's a matter of law, look up the cases they cite, work backwards from the keynotes. 7. Be reader-friendly. 8. Realize they're going to edit the living gently caress out of it and don't get too attached but still do a good job. If you need some more help, PM me or ask here. God knows I owe guys like GamingHyena, Phil Moscowitz and builds character a loving lot and this way's kinda paying them back (or it forward). Oh, and find a practice book somewhere. Seriously, they're a godsend. By practice book it's like "[Name's] Rules for Civil Trials" or some poo poo. TyChan posted:What kind of practice would just let an intern write a SJ motion? Small ones and ones that get paid on contingency. GamingHyena posted:Are you kidding? I let my interns draft court orders and waivers! Don't let them find out, that poo poo's seriously a soul-crusher. Had it happen to me once or twice. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 03:14 on May 25, 2010 |
|
#
¿
May 25, 2010 03:04
|
|
|
There are days as a clerk that I feel very valuable and incredibly underpaid and there are days when I feel wholly useless, like today. Been preppin' a big stack of paper ready to go for a summary judgment hearing, cleared up an incredibly muddled aspect of the law and framed it in our favor, expecting things to be a nasty fight and the judge just goes "gently caress it, MSJ denied. See you at trial [during the week of my finals]." Welp, you take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and then you have
|
|
#
¿
May 25, 2010 21:14
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 26, 2024 13:06 |
|
|
Draile posted:You're in state court, right? You're going to get a lot of judges who work by feel. Fancy arguments and sparkling citations won't mean a thing. That's something they don't teach in law school. Noted.
|
|
#
¿
May 25, 2010 21:34
|
|