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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Ainsley McTree posted:

The MPC's stance on rape is the best. It's not illegal to rape your wife, it's not illegal to rape a man, and it's not illegal for women to rape anyone

kind of wondering how that one got in there tbh

Illegal, just not rape.

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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
It's 4:30 am. I'm still in the (clinic) office. I have been here for 14 hours now. I have printed more than my own body weight in correspondence, pleadings, and research today. I filled a bankers box with nothing but emails -- not research, not extra poo poo printed out -- literally just the communications I've had on one single matter. I made it fit in a filing cabinet. It's not supposed to and now the cabinet will not open. I do not care.

On the table in front of me is my laptop, an ipad with my headphones plugged into it playing porn clips from PinkVisualPad while I print, half a powerade, an empty starbucks doubleshot can (espresso + cream flavor), an empty container of pad thai, two bottles of mountain dew (empty), a pillbox filled with Unisom (aka over the counter Ambien), and an application for ABA health insurance.

I am ready.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Also in case it's relevant to anyone:


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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

billion dollar bitch posted:

Well, I've decided not to do anything. But Feces, how are you saying "people will cheat will get theirs?" How will people get theirs if nothing happens?

For the record, I know a girl who actually cheated on the LSAT and got into American University LS from that. Of course you can say, "lol she is in law school she got hers amirite?" but then there's necessarily some kid out there who's going to a not-as-good law school, who might have done much better otherwise.

I guess the difference is nobody will know if she cheated on the LSAT and hopefully the prof can just look at the margins...

PS Good luck to you too.


Really? Who was this? I know a couple retarded girls at AU law that it could be.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
http://abovethelaw.com/2009/02/nationwide-layoff-watch-holland-knight/ From 2009. Who do you think those 173 laid off staff were?

http://abovethelaw.com/2008/05/nationwide-layoff-watch-more-south-florida-suffering/ Or the 70 here?

Insert <your firm name> here.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

evilweasel posted:

maybe that's why she only got into American :v:

But no, from what I remember there's only three different versions of the exam so there's a 56.44% chance (1-.66^2) she could copy off one of the two people she sat next to.

Hate you.


It's true, WCL sucks.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

evilweasel posted:

Hahaha I felt slightly bad about that. My only experience with American is that while I was working at a firm between college and law school, one of the people I was working with was going to American at night. He applied to the firm we were working at, and even though he was already working there (in a non-lawyer capacity) they still just trashed his resume without even a rejection letter, and this was in either 2007 or 2008 (before the economy blew up).

He then quit to study for the bar without a job offer from anywhere and I'm sure that didn't turn out well for him :smith:

We definitely get those types at American. Funny thing is, I think we're actually starting to slip in the whole "international law/human rights law" prestige area lately, because of the economy tearing up those jobs, meaning we have less alumni to network with/praise to prospective students.

On the other hand, we have a great IP department.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Incredulous Red posted:

Dude, how many times have you taken the LSAT, and when in the cycle did you apply? There are definitely schools who will take you with those numbers and interesting softs if you apply early enough. Can you somehow insinuate you are gay or a minority?

Also, don't go, last thing we need is more lawyers


:hfive:

Seconding. I had similar numbers (sub 3.0 GPA and low-mid 160's LSAT) and I got in to AU. It's totally possible. You have to have a LOT of soft factors in your favor, and even then it's a matter of luck, but it's not impossible. I also got into several other similarly ranked schools (Cardozo, UF, Colorado-Boulder) so I really doubt it was a fluke.

On the other hand, that was 3 years ago, things may have changed.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Can we just update the OP with

Q: I want to do Cyberlaw/Internet Law/Work for the EFF, KEI, or some other similar organization

A: Too bad. You can't.

Thanks in advance.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
AHAHAHAHHA Got a B+ on that terrible rear end paper on whether avatars in MMORPGs should be afforded human rights protections. The one I had to re-write after exam period because I didn't do enough work the first time.

Awesome. I graduate Sunday. gently caress yes.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Grinding out those last 30 footnotes was awful. At one point, I was having self-referential conversations with myself in them.
thing.

It was mandated I submit it to journals. I submitted it to FIU law review, something like Albany journal of science and technology, and some foreign one. The worst journals I could think of.


I did not bluebook a thing.


I win at law school.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Applebee123 posted:

So what was your conclusion?

Existing laws in theory cover abuses but enforcement is inadequate.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Petey posted:

- Julian Dibbell, YLS '13

Julian is responsible for me passing.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
I argued that the Mr. Bungle rape as written could potentially give rise to an IIED claim.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Petey posted:

Julian is actually a really nice guy and told me at a conference once that ARIC was unbelievably misinterpreted. He intended it to be a basic journalism / pop anthropology piece about the new and different things that were happening in cyberspace (mainly community spaces arising from what were dead DARPA data lines), but every journalist just saw RAPE RAPE RAPE INTERNET RAPE and focused on that, and the debate became whether or not internet rape was serious business, when in reality it was never about that in the first place.

I sort of feel bad for him, because he (and his work) have been caricatured in this way somewhat baselessly. But only so bad, because he did make a career out of it.


My introduction to Julian and Second Life was an old prof at UMass talking really seriously and eloquently about both "A Rape in Cyberspace" and Second Life.

I resolved then and there that I would destroy Second Life because it was something he loved.

I went on to SA, found the SL people here, and that's how the Second Life Safari began.

Of course, that prof ended up hating it himself, and becoming my thesis adviser, but that's just proof that even old profs can be made to understand that there is inherent value in loving with people on the Internet.


Probably - although the same would go for 99% of stuff on the Internet, and if you explained to most goons that there was such a thing as IIED they would not understand. It's amazing what the Internet does to the sort of common decency that keeps you from loving with people in public.

You'd appreciate the sheer level of crap in my paper. I cited HellMOO. My prof advisor asked me to run the Anshe Chung incident through an IIED analysis. It's awful, which is a shame because I feel like it could have come from a decent start.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Defleshed posted:

Interview for staff attorney position with local government agency tomorrow! I was extremely surprised to hear back from the employer just 30 minutes after emailing my resume. Apparently he was in the Marine Corps back in the day as well. The good ol' boy network strikes again... :3:

Seriously, being a veteran has helped me out more in life than anything law school could have ever done.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Wait I thought Lykourgos was Grumblefish. WTF is he doing as a prosecutor?

Or am I horribly mistaken?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

evilweasel posted:

I assume because they spent 8 hours reading every detail and the partner is going off memory.

The partner more likely having years of experience on cases of that kind and knowing in depth the history of that practice area, as opposed to the summer researching it fresh?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
After a long rear end graduation where our dean (who is the chair of the UNCAT) rambled on about torture for 30 minutes in an incomprehensible accent, and AG Eric Holder gave us wisdom along with a couple shoutouts to some of the grads (one of whom he kissed on the forehead as she crossed the stage; I think she's his niece, because different last name but they look VERY similar), I'm now finished with this 3 year long nightmare.

A very very important question remains:

What is the correct term to use between now and the bar exam: Lawyer, or Attorney? I always thought Lawyer meant licensed to practice, but various web searches are informing me that it simply means that you were schooled in legal education, whereas an attorney need not necessarily have had formal education (i.e., Cali-style reading for the bar).

This is very important, I need to update my linked in to have the proper word following unemployed.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

TyChan posted:

What kind of practice would just let an intern write a SJ motion?

Eh, as a 3L in clinic I drafted the complaint to a lawsuit for a biglaw firm we were cocounsel with.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Lol LLMs and Israel: my school hates Israel so much. The school had movie screenings accepting donations for convicted terrorists, and held fundraisers to give to organizations who then donate to Hamas.

At graduation for the LLMs half of them were listed as "Palestine" as their "country" of graduation, ignoring that no such thing exists.

I love how progressive my school was, except for issues of Israel. They don't realize how many Jewish students they've pissed off who absolutely won't donate anything to the school because of it.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

scribe jones posted:

but hating israel is progressive :confused:

I know, and the school does that. It's the only thing I don't like.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Lykourgos posted:

I'm still getting internet set up on my main PC at the new place, so I haven't been on for a while, drat it.


What an appalling sentiment; I hope you're joking.

No, my school really does have an institutionalized love for palestinians and hate for Israelis that borders on the anti-semitic.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Jesus I had a 2.8 and a mid 160's and I got into a T1.

Just another sign that something isn't entirely right with your gf.

Take the active duty job, and get out now while you still can.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Lykourgos posted:

Has anybody used examsoft for the bar? I just got an e-mail for the IL bar asking whether or not I wanted to pay $100 for the honour of taking the bar on my laptop. Is it worth $100? What is it like?

Examsoft is not always stable for people. It has crashed and wiped people's entire work out.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

TheAttackSlug posted:

Rule 13 is the bar certification in Missouri that lets you appear in court during your 2L summer if you have someone supervising you/your dean allows it/etc.

It's the equivalent of the 3L Student Practice Rule in DC/MD/VA.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
http://lawyerist.com/major-flaw-in-law-school-rankings/


74 law schools don't report their employment numbers at-graduation because "9-months later minus 30%" is probably more than they had at graduation.


Jesus loving christ.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Defleshed posted:

I'm not seeing anyone living up to this past winter's whining/bitching about the bar prep courses. Are all you bar takers actually... studying?

My schedule was 1 hour of study per half hour of bitching on the internet, followed by at least 4-5 alcoholic drinks.

I skipped listening to the MD bar guy for contracts talk about necrophilia again. He's a huge perv. It's awesome.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

yadayadayada posted:

Was this Epstein from SMU? We just had him for 3 days here.

Yes.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
In BarBri, is it acceptable to be getting about 50% on a set of MBE practice questions the day after you finish the section? Like, we just finished the last contracts lecture yesterday, I did the 25 MBE preview questions for it today, and got 13/25. Is that an acceptable score, or too low? I missed about 15 minutes of the second lecture and half of the third lecture, and I know at least 4 or 5 of the problems I got wrong are attributable to that (covering things in the sections I missed).

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

JudicialRestraints posted:

No actually, under the applicable code I had to search the pictures in question for 'visible signs of arousal.' Needless to say, these signs are not readily apparent and I had to investigate the pictures closely. Very closely.

E: Just got my last non-writing grade. You know A+s? Apparently they do give those out. :smug:

I got an A+ in copyright and attended class precisely twice.

-e- and I attended every goddamn day of International Technology Licensing Agreements and got a B+. poo poo be arbitrary.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Anyone know how long MD bar essays are? I foolishly elected to handwrite rather than do the laptop poo poo. Is my hand going to fall off and die?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

diospadre posted:

And it probably teaches you how to practice chiropracty.

Which is teaching them how to practice fraud, a valuable life skill.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Nah, that would mean law school prepared us for something useful, which it obviously doesn't.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Call the clerk?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

prussian advisor posted:

Well, the "tax law program" is an LL.M., a further graduate degree for people who already have a J.D. UF law school's tax classes are taught by the same professors, and often you will be taking them with the LLM students, but unless you're a lawyer already you can't enroll in UF's "tax law program."

That said, assuming you're a Florida resident who wants to live in and practice law in Florida, UF is easily the best choice. Very cheap, very low cost of living in Gainesville, and UF law alumni basically run the entire state, including a surprisingly large chunk of Tallahassee. Again, assuming that you're willing to keep your debt low and want to live and practice law in Florida, I'd recommend UF law even at (in-state) sticker price.

UF's tax professors were also raided from several top schools, Columbia and NYU I believe being the primary ones.

Gainesville is also enormously nicer to live in than Tallahassee, which isn't saying much because it still sucks.

-e- Dean Jerry is also p cool.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Phil Moscowitz posted:

join the foreign service
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No, don't make the registers any longer!

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Defleshed posted:

But dude even the ABA thinks the rule is overbroad! I mean if anyone out there is going to crack down on scams in the legal industry, its the ABA!

I could not stop laughing for like 10 minutes.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

evilweasel posted:

If you are considering going to a low-ranked law school, "what went wrong" is not the right question: you need things to go very right, not merely not wrong.

To be fair, UF is a T1 and can help you out if you want to be a trial lawyer in Florida (a lot of the AFTL/FJA are UF alums and retain strong ties/adjunct positions with the school.)

-e- there's still no jobs, die alone, etc., but UF is not Cooley, and if you're going to practice in Florida, it's where you want to go outside of a T14.

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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

I'm still trying to convince my boss that applying Bilski invalidates all software patents, but he's not biting yet.

Just wait for the CLE. Also, Groklaw has analysis: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100629014657710

And so does Prawfsblawg: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2010/06/bilski-and-thankfully-continued-uncertainty-in-patentable-subject-matter.html#more

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