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Additional Short-Stories: Same world, but taking place about a century before the series proper.
Wait, the series isn't finished? Correct! The writing of A Feast for Crows, and the "almost done" A Dance with Dragons was, and has been, troubled. Rewrites, change-ups, and other distractions have caused a delay in the release of the latest series installment. This has caused a large division in the fan base, and has either driven us mad (  ), or turned us into fawning sycophants. One day, you too will likely go mad, and we'll be here to welcome you with a lemoncake, and something non-consensual.Bitchin' Art based on the Series(we are nerds.) Trying to avoid spoilery images. Some of these certainly depict events in the book, but don't really spoil anything.             Principal Characters The tale of the first book, A Game of Thrones, is told through the eyes of 8 POV characters and a one-off prologue POV.
We will have point of view chapters from other characters in later books. Other important characters exist. Many in fact, yet those are revealed through the course of the book, so no sense encumbering you now.  Resource Links Again, your best bet is to stay away from anything outside of this thread concerning the series. But hey, links! GRRM's website: The big guy himself. Rarely updated, and straight out of the 90's. GRRM's blog: His livejournal, in which he . Tower of the Hand: Resource with a filter level to help avoid spoilers in books you have not yet read. Westeros.org: Another fan site. With a roughly obsessive amount of content, and stalker section in which everything GRRM has ever said about the series is cataloged. Thread Links STAY AWAY FROM HERE: Unless you've finished the books. The current ASoIaF thread has devolved into a horrible place, for horrible people. You will be hunted for sport. The previous thread is similar. ALSO STAY AWAY FROM HERE: The TVIV thread, anticipating next Spring's series on HBO. Spoilers have a way of slipping into conversation. Humor Links @GRRMpy: Parody twitter account, typically tweeted in response to his LiveJournal entries. Where's the book, George: GRRM critics. Details of the Read Book 1: A Game of Thrones Week 1, Monday 24 May Prologue Bran 1 Catelyn 1 Dany 1 Ned 1 Jon 1 Catelyn 2 Arya 1 Bran 2 Tyrion 1 Jon 2 Dany 2 Week 2, Monday 31 May Ned 2 Tyrion 2 Catelyn 3 Sansa 1 Ned 3 Bran 3 Catelyn 4 Jon 3 Ned 4 Tyrion 3 Arya 2 Week 3, Monday 7 June Dany 3 Bran 4 Ned 5 Jon 4 Ned 6 Catelyn 5 Sansa 2 Ned 7 Tyrion 4 Week 4, Monday 14 June Arya 3 Ned 8 Catelyn 6 Ned 9 Dany 4 Bran 5 Tyrion 5 Ned 10 Catelyn 7 Jon 5 Week 5, Monday 21 June Tyrion 6 Ned 11 Sansa 3 Ned 12 Dany 5 Ned 13 Jon 6 Ned 14 Arya 4 Sansa 4 Week 6, Monday 28 June Jon 7 Bran 6 Dany 6 Catelyn 8 Tyrion 7 Sansa 5 Ned 15 Catelyn 9 Week 7, Monday 5 July Jon 8 Dany 7 Tyrion 8 Catelyn 10 Dany 8 Arya 5 Week 8, Monday 12 July Bran 7 Sansa 6 Dany 8 Tyrion 9 Jon 9 Catelyn 11 Dany 9 If you get ahead, please spoiler your comments or else you will get probated and/or banned (see above). Please PM/Email viconia@somethingawful.com if you find the timeline is too fast/slow or with any comments. Details on other book timelines to follow.. Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Jul 31, 2010 |
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Week 1 Recap! (This was added after the Week 2 recap went in, for uniformity's sake) Prologue: Three rangers in the Night's Watch track a group of wildling raiders beyond the Wall. Bran 1: Robb Stark and Jon Snow discover a litter of direwolves, one pup for each of Eddard Stark's six children. Catelyn 1: Catelyn Tully informs her husband, Eddard, that Jon Arryn, an old friend of Eddard's, has died and that King Robert Baratheon is coming to Winterfell. Dany 1: Exiled prince Viserys Targaryen sells his sister Daenerys to Khal Drogo of the Dothraki in exchange for an army to take back the Seven Kingdoms. Ned 1: King Robert and his party arrive in Winterfell; Robert asks Eddard to be the new Hand of the King and promises to wed his son Joffrey to Ned's daughter Sansa. Jon 1: A feast is held in honor of the king; Tyrion Lannister, brother of the queen and a dwarf, speaks with Jon Snow about being Eddard Stark's bastard son; Jon declares that he wishes to join the Night's Watch. Catelyn 2: A secret letter from Catelyn's sister Lysa convinces Eddard to go to King's Landing with the king; Lysa claims that Jon Arryn was murdered by the queen. Arya 1: Failing miserably at her needlework, Arya Stark goes to watch her brothers Robb and Bran practice swords with the princes Joffrey and Tommen, respectively. Bran 2: Bran accidentally witnesses Queen Cersei Lannister having sex with her twin brother, Ser Jaime Lannister of the Kingsguard; Jaime flings Bran from a tower. Tyrion 1: Tyrion has breakfast with Cersei and Jaime, noting that Bran lies crippled and in a coma, but unlikely to die from the fall; Tyrion announces his plans to see the Wall. Jon 2: Before leaving with his uncle Benjen Stark for the Wall, Jon visits with Bran, Robb, and Arya; he gives Arya a small sword named Needle. Dany 2: Daenerys weds Khal Drogo and is offered many wedding gifts, among them three dragon eggs from Magister Illyrio Mopatis. Next: Week 2, Monday 31 May Ned 2 Tyrion 2 Catelyn 3 Sansa 1 Ned 3 Bran 3 Catelyn 4 Jon 3 Ned 4 Tyrion 3 Arya 2 Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jun 1, 2010 |
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LooseChanj posted:drat title's too long to add anything! Perhaps the other thread should be prepended with [SPOILERS!].
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Throwdown posted:Well, that didn't take long. Probably want to clear out your quote before the ravens reach the mods.
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jmaze posted:Just got to read about the Eyrie (sp?) again this morning. That castle is so cool. Are there any pictures of it that GRRM had made for any of the fated calendars or anything? bengraven posted:This year's calendar is actually 12 months of just castle paintings. The Eyrie is one of them, I don't believe it's been posted online yet. Just letting you know if you want to see, there will be a calendar.  Yes, yes, and yes. There is also a nice picture from within the sky cells, but it's mildly spoilery.
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jmaze posted:Cool. Thanks! Do you have a link to the picture from within the sky cells so I can see it? I wonder if we'll ever find out how they built the drat thing. Avoid this link until after you've already been to the Ayrie, of house Arryn. Painting by Komarck of the sky cells. Not seeing the door as described in the books from this perspective. Perhaps omitted, or on the other side? Or just interpreted differently, and it's the set of doors nearest us. Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at 18:20 on May 19, 2010 |
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Quid posted:Started it today, I'm up to a Bran chapter. I have a question, Daenerys' interaction with her brother came off as a little creepy and the OP mentioned sex and rape. How much worse is it gonna get? If this many people like it I'm assuming it doesn't come off as too creepy, right? Most of the "on camera" sex is kind of disturbing. Thankfully, despite how much we like to joke about it, there's around ~4000 pages of stuff in the series that isn't sex described by GRRM. Just laugh at it. Or Cry. Also, Bran IV, Arya II, etc. are how they are generally described. chapter page # and edition could help as well, I guess. iddqd posted:The Eyrie sure looks a lot like Neuschwanstein God, that's an awesome looking place.  Click here for the full 1600x1200 image. Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at 06:33 on May 20, 2010 |
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Buck Lodestar posted:The quality of the prose is not a "decadent" concern for the discerning reader; it's one of the top concerns. Ideas, plot, characters, and anything else you can name, are expressed only so well as the quality of the prose allows. GRRM's prose, to me, is very straightforward and mostly uninspired. On the bright side, as I've said, his prose doesn't tend to "get in the way" of the story itself which makes the book fun, quick, and accessible. The downside to this is that there's not much beneath the surface, making for a relatively superficial text. There's nothing inherently "wrong" with that, it's just an observation. I wonder how much of GRRM's prose might seem straightforward and uninspired as a result of the voice he's using, and how much of that is his writing ability. The Sansa POVs reflect the thoughts and reactions of a nobleman's prissy daughter. The Arya POVs are those of a tom-boy at odds with her older sister. Jon's chapters are those of a bastard born boy, beginning to feel the stinging injustice of how the world treats him. Whereas Tyrion is well aware of the facts of life, and has armored himself in other ways. Each POV offers something different.
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Buck Lodestar posted:Bingo - the best TV series observation is dead-on. I think in my first post I noted that I can definitely see this series turning into a great HBO show. I do not disagree with the books reading like a great TV show. He was a TV writer. I do disagree that every detail of every motivation is bared to all, though. At least some are kept hidden or purposefully omitted, particularly in Eddard's case, though in service to one of the many plots running through the series.
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Magic, as of the time of A Game of Thrones is thought to have died out with the dragons. It's either considered a fading myth, or a lost art. Maesters are basically Academia. Some studied about magic, but magic is unable to be invoked. Later stuff is later.
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May 21, 2010 19:48
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Week 1 in OP linked to Dendra's opening post. Week 2 unveiled.
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May 24, 2010 17:25
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Badgers Nadgers posted:There was a rather amusing Blog of someone reading through AGoT for the first time here: There aren't spoilers in the blog posts beyond what chapters he was reading at the time, but stay away from the comments. The guy had his friend moderate the comments, and he stayed away from them to try and avoid the spoilers.
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HedgeHodge posted:So I just read the first forty pages or so of A Game of Thrones, and I'm enjoying the world and amount of detail GRRM fits into his writing, but as a newcomer to the series all of the namedropping, inter-family friendships/conflicts and other polity is difficult to visualize and organize this early on. Avoid looking at any references. Perhaps a little later I (or someone) will do a writeup of stuff we should know at each point in the reading. In any case, you'll quickly pick up who is who, based on descriptions and personality. Worry not!
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Contra Calculus posted:George RR Martin must be a really good descriptor of characters because all the art on the OP looks exactly like how I imagined them. Seriously, Jaime Lannister sitting on the iron throne looks exactly how I loving imagined him while reading that section in the book. That's never happened to me in a fantasy story before You know, hard to answer with a fresh perspective. I likely felt sorry for Jon, and rooted for him, liked Eddard for the reasons you like someone who is good and honorable, and enjoyed reading the Tyrion chapters, because Tyrion is pretty funny. Daenerys' chapters were interesting as well, if only for the very exotic features of her story.
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kanonvandekempen posted:We should get some discussion going on the books and this weeks chapters. A year is a standard year. Perhaps the Maesters determined this astronomically. It is also possible that the seasons were not always so screwy. GRRM once indicated the reason for the seasons are all fantasy based, and he intends to clue us in on that at some point. So Spake Martin posted:What is the cycle of a year? Why do they count years when seasons are strange? Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at 16:13 on May 27, 2010 |
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May 27, 2010 16:10
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SilkyP posted:I have only ever read AGOT and I'm rereading it now so I can continue on to the other books but I have a question that I've been wondering. It seems like a lot of the main characters are children and I really can't see kids being bad rear end ever. Will this hinder my reading of the series? The thought of 12 year old kids going postal on people is a little hard for me to buy so, do they get markedly older as the books progress or will I have to suspend my disbelief and pretend like children can be badasses? Aside from people just being less coddled and more active at younger ages in a medieval style setting, I wouldn't worry about that too much. Some may be bad rear end, but not in quite the way you're worried about. They do age, but not dramatically, really, only a few years so far in the whole series. EDIT: Also, more, older characters become POVs in later installments.
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Karter705 posted:I just finished rereading the Bran 2 and Tyrion 1 chapters and I was wondering how the hell Tyrion knows (or seems to know) that Jaime and Cersei were involved with Bran's fall? Did he know that they were at the Old Keep? I think he is more suspicious than knowing, since they are sitting there acting secretive, exchanging glances, and all that. Given the event of note, he may be probing for more information.
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I've read some people have done this for certain characters. For instance, someone was really taken by Daenerys' story, and read all of her chapters. Her's are mostly seperated from the other perspectives, yet there are still details that get given out in the other POVs that kind of set up information you will receive in her POV. You lose a lot due to how the story is crafted. In other words, Hedrigall posted:Don't do this, don't be dumb.
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The funny thing is you end up wanting to know what happens next with whatever POV you are on. Then the next POV starts peeling back the layers, or advancing the plot of other stuff you are interested in. It is all good.
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Quid posted:Finished the first book. That was not how I anticipated things going. Already breaking into the second book. A lot of people don't like her character, but you get most of your Robb info through her, so you're informed of good stuff happening within her chapters. Look at it that way, I guess.
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therapy posted:I have modified your post to fit my opinion. It is known.
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knees of putty posted:Jon 7. Finally, finally something interesting happenned. Ned is the most incredibly dumb character. The trouble is neither Ned or Sansa are in any way believable. Surely noone could be that stupid? The guy sends away all his troops and then refuses the only reliable offer of support he has? Girl is so naive that she runs off to the sworn enemy of the family and kicks off the "poo poo that hits the fan"? Catelyn causes all kinds of "fan making GBS threads" by taking the son of the most powerful guy in the land on the basis of unsubstantiated circumstantial evidence? Urgh, this is a fun read, but I'm perplexed: the good guys are too dumb to root for. Re: Ned - Much is made of Ned's honor, and that especially goes for the whole killing of children thing. Ned remembers the smashed and murdered children of Rhaegar and Elia being presented to Robert. Ned has seen Robert's drive to have Daenerys and her child assassinated. Ned has other fears that have weighed him down, and he cannot abide having this done to more children as a result of Robert's rage. Re: Sansa - Yeah, you kind of want to throttle Sansa after that. But she is naive and dumb. She also doesn't understand that the Queen isn't a good lady, and that Joffrey is really a poo poo. She thinks the problem exists solely with Jaime, who attacked her father. In her ignorance, she thinks she can stay with her beloved prince if only the Queen would intervene. Well, she got her wish!
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Week 2 Recap! I figured I'd give the Tower of the Hand short description of the chapters due for Week 2 to kick start schedule appropriate discussion, with a few comments. Ned 2: En route to King's Landing, Eddard and Robert discuss Jon Snow's mother, Daenerys's wedding, and the appointment of Jaime Lannister as Warden of the East in place of Jon Arryn's son, Robert.
Tyrion 2: En route to the Wall, Tyrion convinces Jon that life in the Night's Watch will be difficult.
Catelyn 3: Catelyn survives an attack by an unknown assailant looking to kill Bran; she decides to take the assassin's dagger to King's Landing to learn who sent the would-be killer.
Sansa 1: Joffrey takes Sansa out riding, where they encounter Arya playing at swords with a boy; a drunk Joffrey challenges the boy, but is attacked by Arya and his arm is mangled by Arya's direwolf Nymeria.
Ned 3: Arya is brought before the king; Cersei demands that Arya and her wolf be punished for hurting the prince, but Nymeria has run off so the queen settles for Sansa's direwolf, Lady, instead; Eddard kills Lady himself.
Bran 3: After several cryptic dreams, Bran finally wakes from his coma; he names his direwolf Summer.
Catelyn 4: Catelyn arrives in King's Landing and secretly meets with Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish; Petyr reveals that the assassin's dagger belonged to Tyrion Lannister.
Jon 3: Jon begins his training at Castle Black; Benjen Stark has gone missing on a ranging beyond the Wall.
Ned 4: Eddard arrives in King's Landing and is shocked to learn that the king wants a tournament held in his honor; Littlefinger takes Eddard to see Catelyn.
Tyrion 3: On his last night with the Night's Watch, Tyrion promises Lord Commander Mormont that he will inform his father about the condition of the Wall and he promises Jon Snow to help Bran as he helped Jon.
Arya 2: Eddard comforts Arya over the death of her friend, the death of Sansa's direwolf, and the abandonment of her own wolf; a resolved Arya begins her first sword lesson with Syrio Forel.
And... here we are. Week 3 schedule now unspoilered. Talk about anything up through this point free of spoiler tags! Next Week: Week 3 Dany 3 Bran 4 Ned 5 Jon 4 Ned 6 Catelyn 5 Sansa 2 Ned 7 Tyrion 4 Previous: Week 1, Monday 24 May Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 14, 2010 |
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It's entirely possible that I'm the one confused. I didn't come up with the time-line (was edited in to my post), and I was assuming those dates were the "due dates". Viconia, are they supposed to be the start dates, or due dates?
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Dendra posted:They're meant to be the start dates. Whelp! On the plus side, there are way worse places to make that kind of mistake!
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Locus posted:poo poo I just read that blog for like an hour instead of working. It's really good, but he (much like GRRM) needs to get back to writing it. Unfortunately you miss out on the ever changing top ten, or power rankings. Seriously, dude needs to get back on this thing.
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knees of putty posted:Not at all. Prophecy is a problem because it's lazy. The author no longer has to provide a motivation apart from "the old crone told me he would be king/emporer/saviour/whatever". Not sure why that was spoilered. In any case, you are kind of assuming that a prophecy means events are set in stone. Perhaps they are reflections of possible futures. Perhaps they have no more power than what people who believe grant them. Perhaps they are partially true, or misinterpreted.
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knees of putty posted:Anyway, finished. Enjoyable light entertainment. I was expecting more lemon cakes though, what gives? There are still over 3,000 pages of the story left for you, my friend, and any number of those pages could have lemon cakes.
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zacd posted:So I just finished the tourney in GoT. Who do you feel is the most talented fighter/warrior at this point? Gregor seems pretty loving scary, with all of the stories/rumors of him killing his family and burning the Hound's face. The Knight of Flowers also seems right up there, mainly because he's smart. Selmy didn't participate in the tourney but Ned said he's pretty dope. Thing is, those sorts of matchups always depend on circumstance. Loras might be the best jouster, for instance, but Jaime would take the boy to school in a sword fight. Does that mean either of them could take The Mountain? His sheer physical size, reach, and armor might render any swordsmanship moot. Anyways, at this point I'd probably say either Drogo or Jaime would be the most talented fighter. Jaime is frequently described as the best sword, and Khal Drogo is the most powerful war leader of a nation of warriors.
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Karter705 posted:Victarion hasn't appeared in the series thus far, though. However, even at this point in GoT, I am hesitant to say that Jaime is the best swordsman; he is certainly the most renowned...but he doesn't actually fight all that often (outside of tournaments, I mean). I would think someone on the Wall or an unknown mercenary, like Bronn, would actually be better since they are constantly in life and death fights. The Kingslayer's history as a warrior hasn't been expounded upon too much at this point in the book, but I'm pretty sure his reputation is deserved. The Night's watch, and mercernaries aren't constantly fighting for their lives either, since it's a relatively peaceful time in the realm. Jaime has had the best training available to him his entire life, and his opponents have tended to be knights who have also had good training available to them. That being said, the Dothraki have a culture centered on warfare, sacking, pillaging, and other -ing's. I think Drogo may be more talented from living a life of warfare, rather than a life of tourney's with the occasional bout sprinkled in.
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That's my intention! You are correct, left a week gap, since I got a little ahead. Also, the teaser is up for HBO's Game of Thrones! http://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones
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Week 3 Recap! Dany 3: As Dany further adapts to the Dothraki lifestyle, she finds herself drifting apart from her rigid brother Viserys; Dany acknowledges that she is pregnant.
Bran 4: Bran listens to Old Nan recount a tale about the Others when Tyrion Lannister returns to Winterfell, bearing a gift for the crippled boy.
Ned 5: Eddard interviews Grand Maester Pycelle about the death of Jon Arryn; later, Littlefinger informs Eddard about people who might have additional information, including Jon Arryn's squire.
Jon 4: Samwell Tarly, a coward forced to join the Night's Watch by his father, arrives at the Wall; Jon convinces the trainees to help Sam avoid mistreatment at the hands of Ser Alliser Thorne.
Ned 6: Eddard's investigation leads him to Gendry, a boy apprenticed to an armorer; Jon Arryn and Stannis Baratheon had previously visited the boy, who, as Eddard discovers, is an unwitting bastard of King Robert.
Catelyn 5: Close to her home in Riverrun, Catelyn decides to spend the night at an inn; Tyrion Lannister arrives at the same inn shortly after, prompting Cat to accuse him of attempted murder and take him captive.
Sansa 2: Sansa attends the Hand's tournament, where she witnesses the death of a young knight during a joust with Gregor Clegane; after the night's feast, Sandor Clegane escorts Sansa back to the Red Keep.
Ned 7: Eddard dissuades the king from participating in the melee; Varys later reveals that Cersei intended to have Robert murdered during the event in an "accident;" Varys also confirms that Jon Arryn was poisoned by the knight who died the previous day.
Tyrion 4: Catelyn Tully is bringing Tyrion to the Eyrie, the residence of her sister Lysa; accompanying them on the dangerous path are various knights and sell-swords and a singer; Tyrion finds a flaw in Littlefinger's story about the dagger.
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drunkenly vents his disdain for knights and their vows. He also lets her know just how he lost half his face to burns: When a young child, he took one of GREGOR's cast aside toys. GREGOR reacted by shoving his face onto a burning brazier.
as ever, and wants to enter the grand melee. Of course, he can't fit into his armor, so that's that.
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Paper Lion posted:Are wild predictions allowed from first time readers in this thread? I have one I want to make about Jon Arryn looking for bastards but I also don't wanna get banned for doing it. Genuine discussion is encouraged! If you are uncomfortable, or don't want to spoil what you think may be something to come, you can always throw it under some spoiler tags and label it as speculation.
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Paper Lion posted:Well, I haven't been spoiled much about these books, only that Sean Bean's reputation for dying will be upheld come 2011 >.> so otherwise this is based purely off what I have read, but I think Jon is looking at bastards because Joffrey an possibly the other kids are actually Jaime's, what with the whole twin loving thing we saw in the tower, so he was seeking some form of rightful heir when he got assassinated to allow the Lannisters full access to the throne. Interesting speculation, though keep in mind that it would be unnecessary to look for an heir in one of Robert's bastards, as the right of succession would pass to one of Robert's brothers. Checking out Robert's bastards must yield something else. 
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Paper Lion posted:Well, his brothers aren't anything a little Tears of Lys couldn't fix... The author, GRRM, hasn't been very timely with the release of this next book. Aside from going on at length in his blogs about football, or this, or that... it seemed the only work he was doing was editing and releasing stories in the shared universe of "Wild Cards". In a fit of self loathing, we collectively saw it fit to brand ourselves with such a tag. Mex posted:I don't know what you did or if Opera doesn't process "spoiler" tags correctly, but the spoiler you posted was in black background and white letters, ie not hidden at all, and I just read it. Spoiler tags are black text on black background, which turn white when you hover over them - and that's how what you quoted appears to be behaving. Opera may not have processed them correctly. I wouldn't sweat what you read. Just avoid spoilers - there's plenty of stuff that goes on in these books to keep you happy.
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Bizob posted:He also doesn't really have notes / an outline and everything is getting written on some ancient computer with each chapter on its own floppy disk or something. Each POV is on it's own floppy disk... 
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Jun 16, 2010 20:10
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Ryouga Inverse posted:I have a feeling this is heading to bad thread territory and I'm not even trying... Probably right. Let us converse about the books that actually exist!
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the last signal... posted:Small question. Name day is just the westeros analog to birthday. Though you may save yourself some  if you pretend they are all a few years older.Also, bran is just a kid, and all kids think they are more mature than they really are. edit: Nerd Watch posted:Yeah, my bad on contributing to the derail there. Since there is no genetic testing, analyzing the results of Baratheon offspring (especially with Lannister) was the way they tried to determine if Joffrey and his siblings were actually Robert's. Since Robert's bastards looked like him, they were going to use them to reinforce the claim that Joffrey was not Robert's son. Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jun 17, 2010 |
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jassi007 posted:One thing I find curious is that there don't seem to be many titles in this feudal society. There is King/Queen, Lord/Lady, and Ser. From what I can figure there doesn't seem to be a hierarchy like duke, baron, etc. Having trouble coming up with the source, but in an interview GRRM mentioned how at certain points in Europe's feudal societies there weren't as many titles. As time went on, more were added to the mix.
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