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Zombie Lincoln posted:Perhaps the other thread should be prepended with [SPOILERS!]. Not nearly accurate enough. [SPOILED!] might work.
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Quid posted:Started it today, I'm up to a Bran chapter. I have a question, Daenerys' interaction with her brother came off as a little creepy and the OP mentioned sex and rape. How much worse is it gonna get? If this many people like it I'm assuming it doesn't come off as too creepy, right? Ah....Viserys/Daenerys or generally? Also are you on the chapter where Bran climbs things? (don't think that's a spoiler, but dunno) also: could we come up with a way to refer to chapters other than by number (I can't remember numbers for the life of me) that doesn't spoil things whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 04:03 on May 20, 2010 |
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May 20, 2010 04:01
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ah...I can only really think of one non-prologue one?
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mind the walrus posted:Of course I mean Little Arryn. I thought that would be self-evident. not quite, I know someone who finds said character really really creepy. She gets such a strong rapist vibe she can't see the awesome parts of engineering a two-decade plot to rape the daughter of the girl you were in love...with....ok, she has a point. on topic: Stannis is a man who would be king in a just world, ensuring that the lords actually fulfilled their obligations to their people. Course, that just means he's a more awesome Eddard. The Catelyn chapter in question is why I think she gets a horrible rap. I mean, sure, she caused all this, but when you're the only person known to the reader who thinks that (spoilering this in case simply calling it out as a bad idea gives the game away) sending the only leverage over the Krakens right to their door might not be the most awesome of ideas, and who is witness to a vassal who thinks that it's better to drag out a war than to make sure that nobody else's sons die...it's kinda hard to not see her as the second most rational person in the North, other than the Blackfish (and the Boltons). Also, obligatory "gently caress yeah, Tyrion!" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Aug 10, 2010 |
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Aug 9, 2010 19:54
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drat you Lost. Wasting our time for six seasons and stealing away the power of one of the best lines of the series 
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Jun 27, 2011 19:14
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Oh, dammit. I hope the ebook versions haven't leaked or we're really done for.
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Jun 27, 2011 20:42
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bandano posted:A friend was reading the books and told me that he would just skip the Sansa chapters because he hated her so much. While I also couldn't stand her, I managed to read 'em. From my stance, you're truly an oddball. How far have you gotten in the series? Won't go in any detail, but count me as another non-hater of Sansa. She gets a bad rap due to the first book.
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Jul 6, 2011 18:07
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KingKapalone posted:Before I venture into the Book Spoiler thread I'm wondering if there are spoilers that are ADWD related? Yes. Don't go there until you've finished aDwD.
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Jul 6, 2011 18:20
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Right, spoilers for those who haven't through ASOS I think Catelyn is portrayed as mostly having stopped giving a gently caress after learning that Bran and Rickon were "killed". Up until then she was very reasonable. The Tyrion thing was a snap decision when she thought that Tyrion was an evil attempted murderer who would stop at nothing to support his family's ambitions. Him seeing her travelling incognito would, she feared, cause the Lannisters to go into overdrive and kill everybody. At least this way she would have a bargaining chip. So far as I remember it she didn't intend to put Tyrion to trial immediately, but Lysa was insane and Robert wanted to make the bad man fly. She negotiated the crossing because she was the most expendable, and she got a decent price for it, considering that they were over a barrel. She warned Robb not to send Theon back to the Greyjoys, but Robb wouldn't listen. She didn't really have time to negotiate with Renly, and the North was dead set against bending the knee again so she didn't have much to bargain with. Even after returning and learning about the death of her sons, she had one moment of (incredible, unforgivable) idiocy, but was still only undone by her trust in a sacred tradition of hospitality, kept to by virtually everyone. You'll note that the Freys were completely scorned afterwards for violating said tradition. whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jul 7, 2011 |
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Jul 7, 2011 15:17
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Still on Catelyn being stupid, AGOT spoilers, though probably everyone here's read/seen it. Robb needed to cross immediately. As minimal a delay as possible. Frey could stonewall all he wanted because any siege would be broken by Twin Lannister's army within a week or two, and he wouldn't even suffer a loss of supplies due to the whole, y'know, being two forts connected by a bridge thing. the Starks had no real leverage.
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Jul 7, 2011 17:01
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Reckless, yes, but not without calculation. I find her far less stupid than Robb, who literally marries against his own interests for honor, while she makes her stupid decisions with the calculation that they're her best moves available.
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Jul 7, 2011 20:44
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The Eyrie is Im-PREG-nable. And if you look at the map it's much, much faster to move to the Eyrie instead of Riverrun. Plus Tywin has no armies that can rush there like he does with Riverrun.
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Jul 7, 2011 21:33
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Not enough people in the Thread-Formerly-Known-As-The-Bad-Thread have read it for there to be an opinion based on anything except cynicism, but the reviews out so far are pretty overwhelmingly positive (not linking because they do have some spoilers in them).
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Jul 8, 2011 06:44
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Because Loosechanj killed the bad thread and it's now a more cynical, embittered version of this thread only with no spoiler tags and including Dance with Dragons.
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Charlie Mopps posted:Still dont see a reason to read the thread. Not that there is, just saying that it's not the Bad Thread anymore.
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Jul 8, 2011 14:05
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re: ACOK spoilers I'm just not seeing it. The North is pretty empty, but how could a Dragon old enough to be heating Winterfell for however many hundreds/thousands of years escape without being noticed by anybody other than people who hid in Winterfell for a few hours after the Boltons left?
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Jul 8, 2011 15:26
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REALLY major fan speculation/spoiler for the entire series: Generally it's interpreted to mean that there's a secret about the Dragons in the crypts. Usually it's used to bolster the R+L=J theory because, well, a Dragon came from someone currently inside the crypts if Jon really is Rhaegar's son.
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Jul 8, 2011 15:53
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You're gonna be...kinda disappointed, especially if you think ASOS is slow going.
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Jul 8, 2011 16:13
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ASOS and TV show: they'd better be playing it at least once or twice next season and the season after that so that the change in song hits really hard
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Jul 8, 2011 17:18
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It's because we waited five years for that, were promised ADWD the next year, and then waited another six.
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Jul 9, 2011 06:13
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it's supposed to be ambiguous. e: whoops. for some idiotic reason accidentally used italics instead of spoilers. whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jul 10, 2011 |
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Jul 9, 2011 07:56
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You'll miss quite a bit, actually. characters get their storylines continued because ADWD isn't fully coterminous with AFFC. It continues a bit beyond and AFFC characters pop back up and you'll have no idea why they're where they are.
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Jul 15, 2011 19:56
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^^^ here's what you need to know: adwd Shakaz is Shavepate and awesome. adwd gently caress everyone else
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Jul 25, 2011 19:39
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Uh, you mean ACOK, zacpol, not AFFC.
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Jul 31, 2011 00:53
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At Helldiver: (all spoilers up until the end of ADWD) Jon: Didn't you catch that wargs go into one of their creatures after they die? I'd say that it's likely Jon slips into Ghost, at least for a little bit. Also I'd spoiler the people you're talking about, as new people don't know anything about who appears in the books and who dies
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Hedrigall posted:My favourite new character is Jon Connington. Does anyone else get the feeling he's gay and was in love with Rhaegar? I'm going off all the fond memories he has of Rhaegar during the chapter "The Griffin Reborn", as well as the fact that he never got married. Plus according to Reddit, GRRM said in some interview that one of the new POVs in the book is a gay character. ADWD: He's the most obviously gay character in the books since we get his POV. Especially his ~*~*My Silver Prince~*~* bits. Even if GRRM always only hints at gay men -- while writing lesbian sex scenes wherever possible -- at least the vast majority of his gay men have been portrayed as people instead of stereotypes (that Qartheen merchant prince aside).
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Aug 3, 2011 15:20
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ASOS wait, you think Sansa did it?
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Aug 15, 2011 06:21
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BjornOfBorg posted:tl;dr: Why didn't Bran, Jojen and Meera travel to Castle Black together with Sam and Gilly? ASOS: They weren't going to the same place. Coldhands (warrior on a moose) was waiting for Bran, and couldn't cross the Wall himself. Hence the salvation of Sam/Gilly.
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Oct 8, 2011 21:14
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I finished ADWD on the bus on the way in today The way I found it better was by interpreting it as a spirit journey of sorts in which she realizes that what she's good at is murdering fools and conquering poo poo, not trying to rule things she doesn't understand. The end is her embracing this role
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Oct 24, 2011 23:03
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If you really want to know, the short answer* is yes. *for Game of Thrones only, although this answer doesn't indicate anything one way or another about the subsequent novels.
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I'm always surprised at the people who think otherwise, but yes.
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Wallrod posted:I actually had to double check against my memory of the TV show, as there wasn't any explicit mention of Loras' preferences, and around the time of Sansa's marriage there was all the talk of heirs and lands. I had thought that Loras would've been a strong piece to play for securing lands etc., and being on the kingsguard would've made a convenient excuse, as well as giving him sufficient prestige I'm afraid I don't follow what you're saying. A strong piece[price?] to play for what? Plus: “Now sheathe your bloody sword, or I'll take it from you and shove it up some place even Renly never found.” is a pretty explicit statement of his preferences.
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Jun 27, 2012 18:31
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That said, in the North at least it's not uncommon for the lord to gift his younger sons/brothers with castles of their own.
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Jun 28, 2012 08:25
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The problem is that those chapters are some of the best in the book. As for ASOS: the chapter you're despairing at is the beginning of the half a book that everyone agrees is the best part of the series thus far.
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Jul 1, 2012 05:08
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knox posted:Was waiting for that next part of the second half of book 3 that I could sense people pointing at/hinting to without saying much, other than poo poo GOES DOWN. And yeah, from a character I hated in both the books and the show: "The only game." How far have you gotten in book 3? Is that quote as far as you've gotten?
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Jul 3, 2012 05:02
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Elevator posted:People have been speculating about that for awhile, but I guess he could be saving up some finale where all the kids sans Sansa warg out with their wolves or Bran becomes all the weirdwoods or some crazy balls-tripping poo poo. There's options, but it'd be nice to have an idea of what the hell is going on. We do. Remember that (ADWD) the prologue stated both that Jon was a warg and that wargs inhabit their animals when they die. Assuming Jon died and he's not going to make a miraculous recovery, that's where he is right now.
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Jul 8, 2012 21:09
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Because you're outside the USA and they're weird like that. In the USA it was published as a single book.
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Jul 10, 2012 08:52
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I KNOW. In spoilers, please answer: Which bit surprised you the most? How awesome is Littlefinger now that you know he's the reason for almost everything happening? Which part of Tyrion's final chapter punched you in the gut hardest? etc. etc.
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Jul 12, 2012 04:03
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on ASOS I always found him murdering Shae to be more shocking than Tysha, but both are shocking. And yeah, I'm really hoping the show manages the transition of Littlefinger, creepy little weaselly poo poo to Littlefinger, loving AWESOME creepy little weaselly poo poo. As for a character appearing in AFFC: Arya does appear, don't worry.
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Halloween Jack posted:[spoiler Book 3, still: why is his primary motivation romantic obsession? How did pretty much any of his moves further that cause? I can see obsession with Sansa being a motive, but not obsession with Catelyn.
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