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quote:Episode Threads: The most hotly debated thing about Lost right now is that a lot of questions weren't ever explicitly addressed. Some people think it was sloppy writing, and that we got teased with tantalizing mysteries that at times ended up getting dropped or not making sense. Others think even if that happened at times, that there's enough clues to figure most of these things out, and that other parts are meant to be ambiguous. If you wanna hash out the leftover questions and what the answers seem to be let's do it here. I'll try to update this post with a bunch of questions, answers to them, and if this thread gets long I'll try to link to the discussion. This video is an example of a lot of questions some people think still need to be answered that we can talk about here. Why did Juliet say 'it worked'? As she was dying, she was able to see into the purgatory world, where the plane never crashed and they all were living different lives, and assumed the nuke worked in creating a new timeline. She also says 'it works' in that world when she helps Sawyer get the Apollo bar from the vending machine. So what did the nuke do? The nuke and/or Dharma's drilling into the electromagnetic pocket created The Incident. Whatever happened, happened, and they caused what they were trying to prevent. As a result of The Incident, the hatch was built, where entering the numbers safely manages the electromagnetic energy pocket, and turning the key is the more unknown "failsafe." Who was in the other OUTRIGGER? There was a deliberate decision that this wasn't worth answering on screen. However, the water bottles place the time travelers at some point after the Ajira flight landed. We know Widmore's people journeyed from the main island to Hydra island through some means, possibly using the outrigger boats. Therefore, it's reasonable to believe that during one of these trips, they opened fire on the time travelers. Why did Jack let MIB do what he wanted with Desmond and the light? Jack trusted that Desmond was brought to the island by Jacob for a reason. Ultimately, both he and MIB were right: Desmond was able to extinguish the light, which could help MIB escape by conventional means, but without the light, MIB had no special powers and was able to finally be killed. Jack's trust was rewarded, MIB was thwarted, and Jack was able to replace the "cork" and restore the light. What was MIB's name? "Samuel" was used in the casting call and early scripts, but it was eventually dropped, because thematically it was thought it worked better if he remained nameless. What's the deal with all the Egyptian stuff? We know the island has existed for a very long time. During that time, many have found it. Some, like Dharma, take a scientific approach. Others, like the Egyptians, built religious monuments, such as the Tawaret statue and the temple. This could have been done under an island guardian before Jacob, or during his reign. If Jacob/MIB came after the Egyptians, that probably means MIB is not the first smoke monster, as the Egyptians depicted him alongside the guardian of the afterlife in some of their engravings. This may have some basis since we know the Egyptians played some part in the stone work at the source and we've seen skeletons down there. Alternatively, the struggle between Jacob and MIB could have begun before the Egyptians arrived, as a date was never given. Why wasn't character X in the church in the alt-purgatory? Some characters like Michael were dead and stuck on the island as ghosts. Other characters were allowed to take part in the purgatory, but they were not ready to move on (see Ana Lucia and Ben, perhaps wishing to atone for past mistakes). For some, their island connections may not have been the most important in their lives, and they may be moving on with other people. Who ran the Others: Ben or Dogen? The Others were run by Ben, who was advised by Richard who had some contact with Jacob over the years. Ben took over leadership in the 90s when he had Widmore banished. During this time MIB began appearing to Ben, manipulating him into doing his bidding. Dogen lost his son and was brought to the island at some point, probably in the 90s. He was put in charge of the Temple, which appears to have been used as the Others home base prior to taking over Dharmaville. The Temple was protected by a special ring of ash, and Dharmaville was protected by sonar pylons. The Others seem to have accumulated a chunk of island lore: they understand the healing water imbued with light works and its side effects, they know some variation of the story of MIB's knife, and they are following some interpretation of the rule that MIB and Jacob cannot kill each other. Why couldn't Ben kill Widmore? Just as Jacob and MIB could not kill each other, and MIB could not directly kill candidates, one of the rules the Others followed was that they could not kill each other. Juliet was banished for killing a normal other. Alex was also killed by one of Widmore's men, shattering Ben's illusion that these rules held (at least for the Others). Furious, and sought revenge by attempting to kill Penny, and by the time Ben kills Widmore, Ben has completely abandoned Jacob and his rules, having already killed Jacob earlier. Where did the Dharma food drop come from? We saw Daniel testing a rocket from the freighter, and how it arrived 20 minutes after it should have. We later saw the dead doctor from the freighter arrive at the Island before he was killed by Keamy. So we see - there's some sort of time distortion field around the Island, and it's unpredictable. This explains why no airplane was seen at the time of the drop. The food drops also may have been made on a specific trajectory that put it on a very, very long time delay. Many drops could have been made as much as 20 years earlier. Additionally, in The Lost Experience, Alvar Hanso promises the food will be dropped in perpetuity. Somebody fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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DrVenkman posted:Most frustrating of all is the Dharma initiative. They got to be such a big part of the show that it's going to hurt future viewings knowing it'll go loving nowhere. The bigger problem? Half the cast spend 3 YEARS with them and we don't learn a loving thing. Kind of time paradoxy but I guess when Jacob touched them they were just fated to end up going there. Like with Claire, she was just kind of fated to go to the island as well, and the psychic was a tool to get her on that flight.
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May 26, 2010 20:14
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Sucrose posted:I don't think Jughead did anything. "The Incident" was caused by DHARMA drilling down into the pocket of energy, and it caused one last time-flash that sent everyone back to the present. Jughead didn't actually go off.
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May 26, 2010 20:23
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Robotnik DDS posted:It was never explained. Some of the theories include The Incident caused it, the Island doing a form of population control, and one of Jacob's rules gone horribly wrong. I think it might be retribution or a side effect of The Purge.
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May 26, 2010 21:03
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Ottermotive Insanity posted:Alright, I think the smoke monster was under the plug, and had the ability to look like people. When Jacob's brother is thrown down the cave, the light goes off, smoke monster leaves, the light goes on, and his dead body reappears somewhere. Later, after Desmond removes the cork, the light goes out, and the smoke monster is killable. It's only when Jack puts the cork back when the light returns, and then his body (though not dead) reappears in the same place Jacob's brother did.
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May 26, 2010 21:07
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Robotnik DDS posted:Well the trouble didn't start until some unspecified time post Ethan's birth as far as we know. Plus, they specifically say the island gives you super powered sperm it just won't let women who conceive on island survive the third trimester. edit: nm I read Lostpedia, she was with Horace so that was probably all on island. I guess it was the Incident that did it! Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 21:12 on May 26, 2010 |
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May 26, 2010 21:09
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ashpanash posted:Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Hurley were zapped from the Ajira flight while Sun, Ben, and Frank weren't. Ok, I sorta get it, although Kate wasn't a candidate at that point (even though as Jacob says, it's just a line of chalk) presumably for the same reason Sun wasn't? (Being a mother) But some things you have to let fly.
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May 26, 2010 21:29
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Ravel posted:Ben didn't flash either. He was a candidate at some point.
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May 26, 2010 21:35
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dyzzy posted:My hand-wavy rationalization is that the people who flashed back had a role to play in the past, and those who didn't, didn't. For all we know Jacob pulled his strings to send them back.
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May 26, 2010 21:37
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One thing that's weird to me is 4 8 15 16 23 42 are the special Lost numbers and all, and Kate was NEVER one of those. She was #51, the only main character who wasn't one of the numbers.
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May 26, 2010 21:48
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Robotnik DDS posted:No lots of people from oceanic weren't the numbers like Michael or Shannon for instance. Also half of the "numbered" candidates were dead when it was go time, anyway. It's important to see the final candidates not as the source of the numbers but just another manifestation of them.
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May 26, 2010 21:56
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I agree with that line of thought. Also, whatever they were thinking, Jacob was introduced in season 2.
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May 26, 2010 22:00
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Woo, thanks! You must have just tried to read through the aftermath thread.  I'm going to try and update the OP a bit with some other "answers." If anyone has any objections to the questions/explanations I add (so far mostly the ones posted by Teek) let me know so we can hone them.
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May 27, 2010 01:48
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MariusMS posted:I think this is wrong and overthinking things. We know that some arm of the Dharma Initiative still exists and is sending people to man the Swan Station. Kelvin got recruited post Desert Storm, and was expecting a replacement. They probably just drop food occasionally for the poor suckers that get tricked into pushing a button to stop a mistake that the DI made 30 years prior. (1992 sounds late for the purge, but from Lostpedia, "The exact year the Purge occurred was not mentioned during Ben's flashback in 'The Man Behind the Curtain'; however, Horace Goodspeed told Locke in a dream that he had been dead for twelve years. Assuming Locke's dream was supposed to take place in 2004, it places the Purge in 1992. ('Cabin Fever')").
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May 27, 2010 02:49
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ITILPrince posted:Eloise Hawking says The Lamppost pendulum was created by a brilliant man. Tom Friendly describes Alvar Hanso as a brilliant man. Sounds credible enough for Lost - Hanso built the Lamppost pendulum. The DeGroots probably built The Lamppost station itself. That would also imply that the DeGroots were the scientists, and Hanso was the mystic. Somewhat related, how could anyone carve hieroglyphics on the cork? Seems like there'd have to have been an Egyptian Desmond or it was done by some kind of god. Or the protector/smoke can go down there, and an Egyptian protector/smoke did it.
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May 27, 2010 02:58
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ozzie314 posted:I was thinking this too. The only possible contradiction to this would be why couldn't Sayid kill the MIB. Sayid listened to Dogan and straight up stabbed MIB the second he appeared to Sayid before the MIB said anything to Sayid. But.... Sayid was "claimed" by the MIB and that may have been a rule that was set as to the "followers" or "candidates" or whatever of the MIB can't kill their "leader". qa6 posted:I mostly like to think that even among the earliest people to reach the island, there was some Jack/Dharma Initiative type who decided to dig at the source of pretty light, then went "oh poo poo" at the result and fixed it by stuffing a big rock in the ground.  and could indeed be a human source for the "cork."
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May 27, 2010 05:09
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Hardflip posted:The circle of ash was broken a long time ago. That's why Jacob no longer used it, and MiB was able to get in. Speaking of the Ajira people, here's my theory on them: Jacob wants his replacements to have free will, and he doesn't want to talk to them or influence them directly, hence posting Richard as just an "advisor" to them. But just in case things went wrong, he recruited these people to use as the muscle if necessary. Since they're not candidates he probably even interacted with them (Ilana, Bram, etc.). I guess this isn't that original of a theory or anything since I just read MIB actually called them "Jacob's bodyguards" at one point. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 16:54 on May 27, 2010 |
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May 27, 2010 16:52
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Man the Lost finale was one of the best finales ever.
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Apr 5, 2014 03:23
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Mr. Boogie posted:Or I guess it could be what I always thought when initially viewing these episodes, which is that the Island actually has a mind/spirit of its own, and that all the visions in the show are coming from the island itself.
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Aug 8, 2014 17:37
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Nah they all died at different times and chilled in the sideways world until they were Ready to go hit up church together. Richard wasn't really part of their krew tho so his little meet up was with other people in some other world I guess. edit: Actually I think I misunderstood your question, when you say the premise you mean like the initial fake-out justification for it? In that case I don't remember.
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