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AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Kontradaz posted:

So guys, I was wondering if you knew anything about the whole "Analyst Boot Camp" 10-week program offered by ATIC. Plop down 10k for the program, and by the end (if you arent a criminal) you get a TS clearance as well as intelligence training. I don't know how legit this is or if it's a remotely good idea, but I'd welcome some advice.

http://www.atichcd.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=16&Itemid=28

ATIC reminds me of New Horizons, and not in a good way.

There are certainly some people there that know their stuff and are invested in trying to convey that knowledge to the students? But for the most part, it just seems like one of the many organizations trying to position themselves to receive some of that sweet, sweet training budget spending from the federal gov't and contractors.

They do have partnerships with two local community colleges (Sinclair and Clark State) that seem to be working well as a pipeline for retraining people, and funneling into lower level contractor jobs around WPAFB.

AntennaGeek fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Mar 23, 2012

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AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Justus posted:

That's my uncertainty - how broadly it's interpreted. I think the spirit of it at least would be to prevent a situation where I could be bribed with a plum position into say improperly approving high value contracts. Like I said, I don't have that kind of direct financial authority, although some people in my agency definitely do, and those people technically do depend on my input, so I suppose it's a bit of a gray area. I mean, Raytheon is clearly not bribing me, but is just really hard up for people with FPGA skills. But yeah, I should definitely talk to our counselor. I know avoiding bribery is only part A of why these rules exists, and part B is avoiding even the appearance of impropriety in the government.

Yes, it's worth getting Official Guidance ASAP.

The amount of crap that can ensue if you don't check the boxes and fill the ovals in the correct order in this sort of situation is probably not something you'd want to deal with.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

rockamiclikeavandal posted:

This is the 5/15 I was looking at.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/420075300

Just seems crazy you can swing ay that much in 5 years.

That's a recurring cattle-call posting for 0801-series engineers --- there is no ladder to 15.
( My office occasionally goes to the well of resumes generated by that cattle call posting. )

We used to be able to get promoted to -13 via 'accretion of duties', but now the AF is shifting to rank-in-position, not person. The only way for me to get a promotion in my current office is for someone to die or retire, unless the Billet Fairy turns one of the empty developmental billets (9->12 ladder) into a 'structured 13' position.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Blindeye posted:

How much of a pain is it for exempted federal employees to parlay their experience applying for a job in another agency? I know a few people who are trying to break out of their jobs into something different and are not on a GS scale but at my job people say if you are exempted it is like having no federal service in your favor.

It seems to depend on the career field; many of the unhappy 0800-series coworkers I've worked with have had decent luck jumping to competitive service GS jobs.

General office-work type career fields, or things more generalized like the 2210 IT Specialists? Yeah, good luck with that.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

e_wraith posted:

STOP COMPETING WITH ME FOR OPRES PEOPLE, FDA!

Ahem. Sorry. In big demand lately, it seems.

Any operational research/systems analyst/developers looking to get into government and have the patience of Job to get through a slow as hell hiring process and an HR that really, truly wants you to know how little they care?

Where at, and at what grade level?

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Is there any sort of consistent time frame between getting Referred and hearing about an interview/hearing you weren't selected? I vaguely remember getting Referred for a job years ago and not hearing anything for like 16 months before it finally told me I had not been chosen for an interview.

I'm still showing as 'referred' for a postion 4 years after the fact, despite knowing they hired someone else, and then decided to just eliminate the position entirely.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Artificer posted:

What happened to the poor guy who got hired?

He was never given a start date after the CJO.

Personnel office wound up dealing with it,. since the hiring manager refused to accept that his headcount for direct reports got reduced.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

thechosenone posted:

So what is with all the Navy openings on USA Jobs? They seem pretty vague, not asking specific details, and having ranges for everything from grade 5 to 15. If one has a math degree, is it possible that one might get referred or otherwise contacted if one applied to them? I doubt they really have anything going on in southern Indiana do they? Besides maybe a little something at Louisville perhaps.

Naval Support Activity Crane is about 40 miles SW of Bloomington, and is the 3rd largest naval installation by area... they have a lot of STEM work there.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Discendo Vox posted:

I see, it's every single intra-page hyperlink that's broken. Also large sections of the site are perfunctory or missing. The "News" link is forbidden, and there's no actual description of currently open jobs, just generic material and the usual circular filing bin "give us your resume" page.

...and USAjobs says there's a total of 13 openings, all non-public, anyways. sigh. And here I thought I'd found a place to mouthbreathe my way to success...

What series jobs are you looking for?

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Al Capwn posted:

I'm an IT in the Navy and will leave with 4 years of experience. I primarily did Radio and some IA experience. I'm thinking about doing MSSA and not sure if I want to do Server Cloud Administration or Cyber Security Specialist, and I aim to get sec+ & A+ this summer. With all that being said, what would my chances be for applying and getting a IT Specialist job via usajobs.gov ? What's enticing is their preference for veterans and points for preference for veterans who have a disability.

Thanks in advance.

Prior-service with actual IA experience? Someone whose eyes won't glaze over at the mention of paperwork for ATOs?

Yeah, you'd jump right to the front of the line for 2210s at my place.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Discendo Vox posted:

I cannot begin to describe how counterproductive it is that they did this instead of actually fighting their HR people over wording, but it's worth bearing in mind; other groups with the feds appear to be doing the same thing through linkedin and other portals.

My group's going full-tilt with Indeed for the 'must hire fast' positions after a year-long battle with legal. It's working out so far.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

I'm separating from the gov't at the end of this month to join a filthy contractor; if I decide to come back later, do I get to come back at my current FERS rate, or will I be stuck at whatever Further Revised Till We Make It Suck rate FERS adopts at that time?

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Howard Phillips posted:

What made you jump ship?

I'm at month 5 of waiting for a government job to come through and just about tired of waiting. In talks with a recruiter for an OSD contractor job. :smith: back to that contractor lifestyle.

I'm actively penalized for wanting to remain technical instead of managing contractors and doing financial reports.

I'm getting a 40% pay increase going to my new gig in an entirely different building.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Howard Phillips posted:

The Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) for a TS/SCI is valid for 5 years, so I wouldn't worry about the clearance too much. I would recommend having an honest discussion with the hiring manager about your situation. If they really need you ask them if it's possible for you to start part time so that you can finish your PhD.

SSBIs are valid for six years now for TS/SCI.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Communist Walrus posted:

Where I work your old office can delay your start date at your new office by up to 30 days. If they can quash the move completely then that's news to me, and also a little insane.

My lateral move as a -12 was blocked for 92 days, and my gaining office had to invoke two O-6s to get my manager to cut me loose.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

Oyak posted:

On another note, has anybody else explored tspcenter.com? It is fascinating, it's an echo chamber for thousands of misinformed boomers to try and time the market together. I had a hearty LOL when 100s of people BOUGHT THE S FUND earlier this week on the grounds that a pre-determined "seasonal investing" schedule told them to.

At one point, I had 50 people 'watching' my FantasyTSP transactions on tspcenter because no one could explain how I hit the leaderboard a few times without subscribing to their seasonal investment nonsense. They're so earnest about their beliefs in back-testing, etc, it's almost adorable. I moved everything into the L2040 fund before I left gov't last fall.

My new employer's 403b has too many options -- I just picked an index fund timed for my retirement date and maxed out my contributions at 13%. Employer has a separate 'non-contributory' account that gets 5% dropped in per paycheck, but I won't vest in that account for another 2 years and 9 months. Going from 13 step 2 to mid-15 equivalent pay has been lifechanging.


... I'll still go back if they get rid of the two -14s that made my life hell.

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AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011

thechosenone posted:

Oh I have a four year math degree, but was thinking I could just supplement it with a few more programming classes. The idea of getting some certifications might be good. Two or three of those might help. The A plus certification is still the most basic one right? I could start with that, them get two more, and that might be a good start.

Oh my god, my last gov't job had career ladders for STEM majors -- GS 09 - 12 in four years.

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