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Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
Anyone have recommended resources for learning SharePoint Online? I'm not trying to be an administrator but I need to better understand the functionality and how I can use it with Power Apps, Power BI, and Power Automate.

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Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


If it gets deep, you are basically a librarian. I'm not joking either, it gets real serious managing documents. In reality, it's a super fancy complex web frontend for mapped drives.

klosterdev
Oct 10, 2006

Na na na na na na na na Batman!
I just learned by doing, and making a million M365 tickets asking how to do x as I went.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Hughmoris posted:

Anyone have recommended resources for learning SharePoint Online? I'm not trying to be an administrator but I need to better understand the functionality and how I can use it with Power Apps, Power BI, and Power Automate.


I'm actually digging into power automate right now. The use-case i'm championing is getting HRIS data in to my AD and EntraID. I've built out a webhook and api flow to handle onboarding and user changes. I'll be dipping my toes into making a power app (simple user directory for my shipping dept).

Gucci Loafers posted:

If it gets deep, you are basically a librarian. I'm not joking either, it gets real serious managing documents. In reality, it's a super fancy complex web frontend for mapped drives.

This is succinct in every way. There are still needs for sharepoint admins even in 2024.

Aunt Beth
Feb 24, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer
PA can be a nice tool but I still wouldn’t trust it fully for bulk production work like HR/IDM tasks. If you do make sure you include good error handling so something doesn’t get stuck and suddenly everyone’s last name becomes Fitzgerald.

Boogalo
Jul 8, 2012

Meep Meep




We let our developers use power automate once and now they keep trying to make apps that take input via form, process with power automate, and use sharepoint lists as the database and we've had to make them stop this even going so far to get microsoft involved to also tell them stop.

It is cool for users to do workflow stuff but line of business apps should be proper services referring to sql, etc.

I'm our GA and therefore sharepoint admin and we have to beg people please don't do X we wont help you if you break poo poo in the teams or sharepoint back-end and then they do it anyways and welp. The absolute worst is people mucking with permissions in the sharepoint site of a team. Fortunately I just to access control and create bare sites while others have to do the building. (I'm not a webdev :) )

I think if you have the chance to get into sharepoint...don't. It is an extremely cursed system. Though i did recently find an even worse one and that is power platform and dynamics. At least we nuked our onmprem SP setup finally.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

I'm touching O365 SP for the first time in a while, am I crazy or did they change how you apply/change permissions within a doc library/site?

*edit* Never mind seems mostly the same just buried under various levels of bullshit that wasn't there before.

MF_James fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Sep 6, 2024

Boogalo
Jul 8, 2012

Meep Meep




Speaking of not touching sharepoint, if you have processes blowing up today its because MS nuked the PnP powershell multi tenant app id out of AAD.

https://github.com/pnp/powershell/issues/4250

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.

Buglord
I'm about to lose my mind with Intune password policy.

Long story short, we're trying to push out a local admin account with a specific username and password to run a process for a project we're doing***. However, apparently if you have any password policies at all in Intune, whatever local admin account you push out will have the "user must change password at next login" flag checked, and it CAN'T be unchecked. I totally get why, there's no way that Intune could know if the pre-set password meets the criteria of the policies, but oh my god why is it so difficult just to push out a simple username and password to my machines.

***Yes I know LAPS is the better solution, this is just a one time thing and we're removing the account afterward.

Aunt Beth
Feb 24, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer
Is Group Policy an option? You should be able to do it with a GPO, or use Intune to create the user and Group Policy to do the rest.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.

Buglord

Aunt Beth posted:

Is Group Policy an option? You should be able to do it with a GPO, or use Intune to create the user and Group Policy to do the rest.

Most of these machines are remote and never check in with the domain controllers - we're hybrid, so we lean more heavily on the Azure AD side of things.

buffbus
Nov 19, 2012
Just powershell script it and deploy as a win32 app. Intune supports powershell scripts natively too but the basic scripts are kinda rear end and while remediations are really nice, they might be more complexity than you want for this.

tehinternet
Feb 14, 2005

Semantically, "you" is both singular and plural, though syntactically it is always plural. It always takes a verb form that originally marked the word as plural.

Also, there is no plural when the context is an argument with an individual rather than a group. Somfin shouldn't put words in my mouth.

incoherent posted:

I'm actually digging into power automate right now. The use-case i'm championing is getting HRIS data in to my AD and EntraID. I've built out a webhook and api flow to handle onboarding and user changes. I'll be dipping my toes into making a power app (simple user directory for my shipping dept).

This is succinct in every way. There are still needs for sharepoint admins even in 2024.

We’ve used Power Automate/Power Automate Desktop with GraphAPI/PoSh to interface with our ticketing system and HRIS system to automate onboarding and offboarding for employees and some vendors.

There are pros and cons to PA and PAD. They’re very different from each other.

If you’re all Entra ID, once you’ve got your mind wrapped around Graph API it’s not awful to build stuff in PA to do whatever.

My thought when I looked at power apps was “I’d be better off just picking a language and learning to code.” Power Apps are janky as poo poo IMO and should be avoided if possible. It’s also possible I’ve just only ever seen bad Power Apps

tehinternet
Feb 14, 2005

Semantically, "you" is both singular and plural, though syntactically it is always plural. It always takes a verb form that originally marked the word as plural.

Also, there is no plural when the context is an argument with an individual rather than a group. Somfin shouldn't put words in my mouth.

Gucci Loafers posted:

If it gets deep, you are basically a librarian. I'm not joking either, it gets real serious managing documents. In reality, it's a super fancy complex web frontend for mapped drives.

With super fun surprise limitations that you only learn about once you start hitting them. If you’re looking for storage at scale, ABORT ABORT ABORT and find something better.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Count Thrashula posted:

I'm about to lose my mind with Intune password policy.

Long story short, we're trying to push out a local admin account with a specific username and password to run a process for a project we're doing***. However, apparently if you have any password policies at all in Intune, whatever local admin account you push out will have the "user must change password at next login" flag checked, and it CAN'T be unchecked. I totally get why, there's no way that Intune could know if the pre-set password meets the criteria of the policies, but oh my god why is it so difficult just to push out a simple username and password to my machines.

***Yes I know LAPS is the better solution, this is just a one time thing and we're removing the account afterward.

If you're going to do something stupid, they've made it so you have to jump through hoops. If you can't think of another way to do what you want to do, then jump through the hoops.

Aunt Beth
Feb 24, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer

tehinternet posted:

Power Apps are janky as poo poo IMO and should be avoided if possible. It’s also possible I’ve just only ever seen bad Power Apps
No, even the stuff their product team evangelizes is trash. It’s a bad platform.

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nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Count Thrashula posted:

I'm about to lose my mind with Intune password policy.

Long story short, we're trying to push out a local admin account with a specific username and password to run a process for a project we're doing***. However, apparently if you have any password policies at all in Intune, whatever local admin account you push out will have the "user must change password at next login" flag checked, and it CAN'T be unchecked. I totally get why, there's no way that Intune could know if the pre-set password meets the criteria of the policies, but oh my god why is it so difficult just to push out a simple username and password to my machines.

***Yes I know LAPS is the better solution, this is just a one time thing and we're removing the account afterward.

Are you pushing out a domain/Entra account, or a machine local account? Does whatever you want to run need a network identity or a cloud identity, or does it just need to run on the local machine and not identify with external services as that account?
If you can make do with a machine local user, then look into pushing out a PowerShell script that uses the Microsoft.PowerShell.LocalAccounts module to create/manage a local user for the purpose.

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