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I had an 05 GT which I loved, but I still owed money on it and the interest rate was murder because I bought the car when my credit was only so-so. I decided that I liked the new 2013 restyle so I picked one up last week after test driving it. The test drive went well -- the car has 3.73 gears in it and seemed peppy, but I wasn't driving a car I owned so I just kept it at normal speeds and acceleration. I buy the car and get it home. I've had it for about six days now and I gotta say... this is a car that has a great engine but a horrible transmission. The gear box is so awful at high RPM that I cant even begin to describe the feeling of dread that I get when driving it. Some of the time, the car doesn't like going into 3rd gear from second, and even worse are the times that the shifter gets deflected when shifting quickly out of second and into third, but because of the awful gearbox it goes back into first instead. Ouch. When the car does find 3rd, it takes longer than I'd like so I lose a bit of momentum. Despite the 100 HP difference between the cars, my 2005 GT just felt faster. The biggest reason was because of this gearbox. It's just junk. I'm stuck with the car now (it's really a beautiful car just the performance isn't quite what I want due to the shifting) for at least three years, so I'll probably get a short throw kit for it. Probably the MGW model. Frustrates me that I have to drop an extra $500 on this car before I can enjoy driving it. Oh well.
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optikalus posted:I don't think this is a problem common to the transmission in our cars. The Internet seems to disagree with you on this. As far as taking it to the dealer, the problem only is noticeable when going from second to third. Also third to fourth at higher RPM, fourth sometimes seems locked out. Other than that however I really just don't like the way the thing feels when I'm shifting it. It feels cheap to me. If a short throw is going to make me like the car better, I'm all for it. Right now it's an expensive outlay that I don't really enjoy driving. I keep thinking "man if this car shifted like my 05 it would be so much better." It nags at me. My other complaints with the car are pretty minor -- quality of the stock speakers is low but livable, exhaust note sounds pathetic, stuff like that. Stuff I can take measures to fix. The shifter replacement is aggravating because it's not a mod I'd normally make and the throw is actually short enough on the stock shifter, it just feels like crap. It's not a $500 purchase I would make in order to have the car be more personalized to me, it's a purchase I would make in order to make the car not suck. That's a pretty big distinction. I don't think taking the car to the dealer is going to do me any good especially on a warranty claim because I'm pretty sure that'll just end up being a pissing contest and I absolutely hate dealing with dealership service departments.
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I have a 13 5.0. I had a 05 4.6 before that. I've had the car since last July. I have just started with the mods and I think I'm going to keep in subdued somewhat because I like the sleeper look. The problem I've been having so far is with the gearshift -- these are garbage. There's many threads on other forums about how lovely the transmissions are in these cars, and that's definitely the truth. Car has not even 7000 miles on it and every time I shift into 3rd gear it's an adventure. Will it go in without clunking? Will I get locked out of 3rd completely? (happens at high RPM sometimes and it really sucks.) Just sort of frustrating stuff like that. The sound system is also terrible. It comes with Sirius radio which is already served up at a crappy bitrate to begin with, but it somehow sounds worse in this car than any other Sirius setup I've heard before. I bought a diablosport intune tuner and ordered custom tunes from BAMA (American Muscle) and I got the tune files. When I tried to import them into the tuner it couldn't recognize them. Still working with Bama to sort that out. Also all sorts of "bad luck" stuff -- like when I was installing the hood struts on the car (prop rod on a 36K car is not cheapskate at all, Ford) I accidentally dropped a hood bolt into one of the engine compartment's many "mystery holes." Mystery holes are fine usually but the problem is that these cars have a plastic cover on the bottom that runs all the way to the tranny. So once it fell down into there the only way to get the bolt out was to take off the plastic underside crap. No way, Jose. Replacement hood bolt was something like $1.80. Silly stuff I've done too -- I backed into my garage once and later had to leave to go somewhere. Well reverse on the 6 speed is "push down the shifter and move it to the left of first gear" which is fine on paper but sort of sucks in practical application. So while I was still getting used to the gear shift, I went to pull the car out of the garage but had it in reverse instead of first gear... backed up a little -- just a few feet before I stopped. This was not before backing into an old foosball table I have in the garage. One of those peg things punched a hole in my tail light. Ouch -- not a huge deal though, right? I remember buying replacement tail lights for my 2005 and it was like $200. Not the 2013. The slights are all LED and you can't just replace the housing -- it's the whole kit and caboodle. Price for one tail light? $1000. So for a "working man's sports car" it's not so hot. You can't have $1000 tail lights on a car and say that it's an everyman mobile. It's just not. Anyway if I had it to do over again, knowing how this car is, I would have probably gotten the SHO instead. I like the car, but there are things about it that I really don't like. Maybe I just wish the gearshift didnt' suck so bad. Maybe I wish I would have ponied up the bucks for the Boss 302.
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PT6A posted:Did you accidentally shift it into reverse, or did you leave it parked in reverse and forgot to shift it into first? I've never really had this problem, but I think a big part of that is that I got the backup camera option, so I get an additional visual indication of "hey, you're in reverse". Ultimately, I think no matter how the gearshift is laid out, you should either get in the habit of parking in first gear or make sure to always put the car in neutral and shift to first before starting to drive. No - I had the car in 2nd gear (I usually leave the car parked in 2nd or 4th -- just a personal preference.) I accidentally shifted into reverse like a derp. Before I got used to the gearbox I would reflexively always push down a little on the shifter when changing gears. Doing this when going into first gear from a stop will put the car in reverse quite often. I've changed the way I deal with it now, but it was a bit of a learning curve which is surprising since I've been driving standards for over 20 years now. I do see your point though. I've found the best way to ensure that you're in 1st from a stop in these cars is to shift into 2nd first (easy enough) and then just slide it up to first. I don't have to do it often now as I've gotten pretty good with the gearbox but when in doubt that's the method I use. Also for hard shifts into 3rd it helps if I let the spring snap the shifter to the middle right before and just press up into 3rd rather than manhandling it from 2 to 3 like I used to be able to in my 05. That said, I did get the BAMA tune on today and the thing is noticeably peppier. I went from the canned diablosport tune back to the stocker and then on to the 93 racing tune and there is a substantial difference in power across the band between the three, like they said there would be. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 10+ HP gain on a dyno. Worth it for a cheap mod that's just adjusting software parameters. I know that the MGW shifter has a stiffer spring which makes this less of an issue. The Hurst shifter offered for these doesn't have the spring at all. I don't know HOW they manage that without drama.
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Yeah there is very little chance I keep the car after the B2B warranty expires because I have no interest in paying out of pocket for crap like tail lights that cost a grand.
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Krakkles posted:Oh, almost forgot ... when you're shifting, do you put your hand on top of the shifter? Try grabbing it from the side (like, you know, you might grab ... something similarly shaped ...) instead. It might keep you from inadvertently pressuring it downward. Heh it's funny you should mention that because changing the shift ball changed the way I shift where I grab the shifter from the side. On the stock one because of the way it was shaped I found myself grabbing it more from the top which I think was a big part of the problem.
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Bumming Your Scene posted:Speaking of shifters.. I wanna get an MGW for my 13 GT. How big of a pain in the rear end is getting to the stuff under the car with ramps or jack stands? Maybe take it to a shop instead? I'm going to get an MGW as well. I have the barton one post bracket already but I want to just get rid of the whole POS shifter. The youtube videos I've watched on the install seem relatively straight forward, but honestly I'm not really interested in screwing with it for hours and I'd just rather pay the shop to put it in. Edit: however I did install my one-post bracket and I did it with ramps on the back wheels. It's better to have a friend and a lift maybe because it was a real bitch getting it around the driveshaft -- you just don't have a lot of room to work with there.
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I saw those for sale at the dealership parts counter when I went to pick up my hood bolt. Also, my mother got me a mustang hoodie for xmas last year. I wear it because it's a really comfortable hoody but I feel really dumb driving in a mustang with a hoody that says mustang on it drinking coffee from my stainless steel mustang engraved mug (also a gift from mom  ) It's like last year at the Megadeth show when Dave comes out wearing a Megadeth shirt. We get it, you're in Megadeth. We get it, you drive a Mustang.
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I spent hours washing, waxing, and vacuuming my 2013 today. Afterward, I loaded up the race tune and decided to go out for a stroll and see if I could get my 0-60 times down on the track apps (I know it's a gimmicky feature but it's fun to play with sometimes.) At this point, I'm pretty convinced that my MT-82 is one of the problem children. It used to be that 2nd to 3rd at high RPM was no problem and I would normally get in the 4.2-4.3 range with my 0-60. Now whenever I want to go from 2nd to 3rd (I have 3.73s so I need to make the shift or I'll trap before I hit 60 mph) at any RPM over 6k it grinds and almost completely locks me out. Sometimes I can force it up in there with a whine and a clunk, but that's one scary sound. So I guess I can't drive my car the way I want to? I am going to take it to the dealer and see what they say but I'm pretty sure -- since it's a dealer -- they'll tell me that I'm "shifting too fast" or that "the car was not designed to be shifted over 6,000 RPM" or some such rubbish. Can't wait for that. If the synchros are in fact fried than all the bolt-on shifter mods in the world isn't going to save that transmission. If it's just an issue with the lovely K-Mart shifter, maybe I'll pull the trigger on the MGW shifter and JHR clutch line with royal purple clutch fluid. I've read that some people have seen improvements in the MT-82's with this combo. The problem is that there's some confusion as to whether or not they'll void your warranty if you use royal purple clutch fluid since it's a friction modifier. I know the MGW is covered under Magnuson-Moss so I'm not worried too much about that. Anyway, it was fun to spend hours washing my pony just to take it out and be disappointed that I can't really get on it from 2nd-3rd anymore now that the vehicle has 7,000 whole miles on it. I will report that the mail order tune I put on the car does make it quite a bit more responsive, so that's something I guess. To wrap up though, I'd like to evangelize the Blendmount radar detector mount. They make them for the Beltronics/Escort and for the V1. I bought it when I had my previous mustang (a 2005 with no shifting issues I might add) and transferred it over to the 13 when I got her last year. If you have the auto-dimming mirrors, these cars come stock with an ugly wire that comes from the headliner and goes to the rearview mirror. You can get a plastic piece that covers that pretty well from them, and a wiring harness that plugs directly into the back of the mirror. It actually looks pretty slick (yes the plastic wire cover is centered, it just looks off because of the photo angle.) Here's a pic of how it looks if you're on the fence. Yes I know I have a $100 radar detector and a $100 radar detector mount. Both do the job: 
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Called the dealer and they said that they know that the synchro for 3rd gear is toast on the car, but that they can't take it apart and fix it because Ford's warranty department hasn't given them the green light yet. They've had the car since Monday. So... I think this might be my last Ford, unless it's something vintage. I don't understand what the holdup would be on a car with 7,000 miles on it with a failed transmission. I shouldn't complain since no one likes that but honestly it's frustrating and I can't believe Ford's customer service has gotten as awful as it has.
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It is what it is right? They'll fix it under warranty eventually. It'll probably just take 2 weeks to a month. There's tons of people that have had this issue and I should really have researched the trans on these cars before I bought this one. Without FI the T-56's gears seem too tall even with 3.73's. I like my car and I'll ride it out with it but I'm disappointed at the low quality and high rate of failure. Should have gotten a Shelby, but I was afraid of the payment. E: yeah this would be covered by the lemon laws here. However I'm 90% certain they'll fix it because they have for others with the same issue, or so says the Internet.
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Indeed -- one of the reasons I've always loved Mustangs was because they were so customizable and parts were cheap. Not anymore. When I'd had the car for only a month or two, I was backing into my garage and accidentally bumped up against an old foosball table. One of the arms of the table poked a hole in the tail light. I called the service counter for a replacement - $940. For a tail light. I couldn't believe it. Parts for my 05 were available all day for super cheap. It was my introduction that the Mustang really isn't the working man's toy that it once was in a lot of ways. Considering what the model will be next year, it's the end of an era and that makes me pretty sad as I'm sure it does other folks who have loved the Mustang in this way forever.
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I really appreciate that advice and I'll do just that. I am thinking it will probably take 2-3 weeks for them to do the repair. The shop guy said it would be a week, but that was before the holdup with the warranty. It could get even longer because they're actually taking apart the transmission to fix it. Who knows what else they find. I think the remote shifter is a terrible idea and had I done my homework on this transmission I wouldn't have bought the car because of the remote shifter setup. I just figured heck the tremec in my 05 was rock solid so the 6 speed should be even better, right? Oops. E: I just checked and my state (MI) is 30 days in the shop or 4 or more visits for the same thing. I don't think we'll get to that. I just wonder how much this repair hurts the ol' carfax if I ever decide to upgrade to something better. Who knows maybe I will like the 2015 -- I have a friend who works at Flat Rock and he seems pretty excited. Then again he's been building Mustangs since they moved production there for the S197 and yet he drives a focus, so I dunno. Independent rear suspension appeals to me and he says they are going to get even more power out of the coyote platform. He mentioned 475 HP and while that's only 50 more than what the current 5.0 puts out I didn't know you could get the coyote platform that much higher naturally aspirated. I'm intrigued to see what they do there at least. I still think it's ugly vs. the current body style but up close it might look better. Looks like a meaner Focus in drawings I've seen. Maybe that's why my buddy likes it? E2: I'm truly sorry about your issues mattwhoo. And AWWNAW if it's grinding when you try to put it in gear over 3k RPM like me then you have a bad syncrho and the longer you wait the more damage you can do to the car. Also keep in mind that while Ford warranty service is centralized and they are the gatekeepers for repairs, the dealership mechanics do vary in quality and integrity. At least in my experience in the past (though not with these guys yet as this is my first car with them.) roger wilco fucked around with this message at 01:56 on May 17, 2013 |
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Lord Gaga posted:This is a pretty stupid statement. While you're right to be frustrated with your transmission issues, which are pretty shocking, you bought a brand new car and broke a cosmetic part that has been in production for less than a year. The likely can barely make those tail lights fast enough to keep up with the production of the cars. A 2012 Mustang tail light can be had for $140 n eBay and once the 2013 is 5 years old (because the tail lights for a 2012 are also fitted on earlier MYs) it'll be the same story with that. Name some cheaper 13 second factory cars than the Mustang. Actually, the 10-12 tail light assemblies are in the $450 range each. The reason the 13's are so expensive is yes because they are new in production but also because they are frankly over-engineered with LED logic. Sequential only when turning but not when hazards are on or while braking. That's a nice feature sure but I don't think it's worth over $900. Then again I should have known better if I wanted cheap parts, I guess I should have bought a cheaper car. I feel like I kind of came off as bitchy here about the whole thing and that's not what I was going for. I have love for Mustangs -- even if mine's in the shop because they decided to go with a silly remote shifter assembly that shreds the cheap Chinese made transmissions. And any of my whining about going off Ford is just me talking out of school. It would take a lot for me to buy something else. The only reason we bought the Town and Country was because we needed a minivan at the time and Ford didn't make one at that point... and the Flex is oogly.
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Lord Gaga posted:Brand new they are. Used there's a bunch in the sub $200 range on eBay. Just like every other Mustang ever, the MASSIVE production numbers will have someone come up with a tail light that fits and works like the original for a fraction of the ridiculous price. Right but there will only be two production years of this particular tail light. I doubt they'll carry over to the S550, so I don't really see "massive" production numbers, but there will be a good deal available cheaper in a few years sure. Maybe Raxiom will come out with something aftermarket as well. I guess no matter what I say you're going to counter that $900 is a reasonable price to pay for a tail light on a Mustang, so I really know what else to say. I think they cost too much, you don't seem to think they cost too much, or at least can justify the insane price. Okay fair enough. The biggest mistake I made there was being so pissed over it that I put in a claim in on my insurance to have it done for half the price. The problem for that was, of course, when my renewal period hit. Gotta love Geico.
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The newer v6 cars are okay and there sure are a ton of them around here. I don't see many post 2011 GTs (though they could all be getting their transmissions rebuilt.) As for the 4.0 badges I always though those a bit silly - but then again I am not a huge fan of aftermarket badges at all and I think they look bad consistently every time. Still, I tend to respect someone that puts work into their car, even if it turns out like poo poo after the fact. I don't scoff at V6 mustang owners because I feel that's douchey, but I personally wouldn't go that route and for what it's worth my wife said she wanted "a mustang like [mine] only less powerful" which meant a v6 and I told her no. I'm not paying for one unless I can get it super cheap. There's just better options out there -- like a nice used PI crown vic, for instance.
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I am tired of talking about my depressing transmission saga, and I really do apologize to those of you who are just as sick of hearing about it. Unfortunately someone asked me to keep the thread updated with the latest so here's a depressing update: Today is day 9 they have had the car. I decided that I was just going to get a short throw shifter (I already had the bracket I think I've mentioned this, it's a V1 Barton but whatever.) AM is doing a special on the Barton so I bought one, and while I'm more than capable of doing the job on a Saturday afternoon I figured it'd be an hour labor at the most and they'd just do it and save me the trouble. My weekend time is worth more than $70 I guess. I've been looking at doing the shifter upgrade even before the synchro problem. I already did the shift ball. I asked the man on the phone if they'd do it and he told me that it would void my PT warranty. I know for a fact shifter upgrades do NOT void PT warranties. So either this person was 1) incompetent or 2) blatantly lying to me. I became irritated and said something like "well you would have to prove that in court." I hate being snarky to someone who works a customer service job because I know how that feels on the other end. On the other hand I was starting to honestly get a little upset over being falsely told my Barton shifter would void my warranty. I felt like Ford was trying to give me the business. "I guess I have my answer. Let's move on -- tell me about my car." Unfortunately, the story only gets worse from there. Clem (I am horrible with names and don't remember what his name actually was because he said it too fast anyway when he answered the phone, and in retrospect I sort of hate him, so he gets to be Clem) then proceeds to tell a sad story about how the car's repair has been delayed further because the "tool required per the service manual to remove a titanium pin from the transmission doesn't seem to exist." I wish I were making that up, but sadly Clem did speak those very words. At this point, I'm dumbfounded and quiet. Clem, however, is just getting warmed up. He continues to tell me with poorly-veiled glee that since they have not been able to locate the tool by today, it is highly unlikely that they will be able to get to it at all this week. Even if they did get the tool they needed, unfortunately "their transmission guy" is going to be attending a mandated training all next week, so Clem says the car won't even be touched again until "at the earliest" the following Monday, which by my count is day 22. Then it's no telling how long the repair will take, or whether they even have the magical tool, or whatever other BS reason they can think up. I was (hopefully) understandably a little angry at this point in the conversation. I tell Clem his timetable is getting really close to the limit for days in the shop, and that MI law is 30 days. I told him that if it went over thirty days, I was going to make a claim under the lemon law. "What?" Said Clem, confused. "I'll sue you!" I said back. This is the first time I've ever said that to anyone and must say I did not like it one bit. I'm just not that type of person, but I was very angry. Clem just goes "Wow." and I hang up on him. I felt horrible for that too, but at that point I was starting to get a little more worried about what I would have said to poor Clem had our phone conversation continued. I took a moment. I needed one. I went back to work. About a half hour later I was free for a second so I called the guy who sold me the car. I got his voicemail, so I told him a brief synopsis of what was going on and that the dealership has lost my business and the business of anyone who hears my rime. He did call me back but when he did he got my voicemail since I was also working. I'm at a loss at this point and feel like I just have to wait it out. When the car is done, I'm going to see what I can get for it in trade from another dealership. I just won't trust the car after these clowns get done "fixing" my transmission. I'll never buy another car with an MT82 again -- I've learned my lesson. Edited to add: no loaner car either. roger wilco fucked around with this message at 03:53 on May 23, 2013 |
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I learned stick on my mom's 84 escort diesel. I took my driving test with a manual. All my driving life I've tried to own a manual whenever possible. Maybe it's my fault that the car is roached. I did drive it like i meant it, and others have too and haven't had the problem. You start to doubt yourself when you go through something like this. I honestly believe it's the remote shifter design -- lots of people have had issues with it, so I can't really kick myself too much. Anyway I'm done because this is starting to sound like a post in E/I. 
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May 23, 2013 16:53
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Oh I agree I probably goofed up. Point of fact too is that I don't really want to sue anyone but I will if I absolutely have to. I am going to end up buying a used GT-500 and trading in my GT for something else -- a replacement for my wife's minivan probably. My payment will be a little higher, but the car is a LOT better. Seems like a good solution to this problem that will make everyone happy. Never using the dealer that I got the car from again though.
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Tide posted:really great stuff This is awesome. I'm going to do this stuff but I'm so embittered with the dealer and process at this moment that I haven't really thought much about calling Ford to complain since yesterday's debacle. I just didn't see what good it would do, but a transferable extended warranty really appeals to me because it will be worth more in resale. As for a loaner, yeah it grinds my gears that I didn't get one, but at the same time I have no desire to work with the dealer at all right now. I'm getting by with the wife's minivan, other than I hate driving it. She doesn't mind thankfully. Meanwhile, I was bumping around today on autotrader and I found this absolutely beautiful 2012 Shelby. It's black and has the stripe delete (I personally dislike the way stripes on cars look.) The car is almost brand new with 3000 miles on the clock. Guy had bought it new from the same dealer 8 months ago but didn't want the payment anymore (he was really upside down on it because he rolled a bunch of negative equity into the car.) They are asking 47 for it because they are a dealer trying to get top dollar of course. Car is worth 45 I think, and should be able to be sold for less than that because it's a 2012 and everyone wants the big 5.8. Me? I'll take the 351 and smile. More power than my 13 but not too much more. Rock solid platform. Tremec 6 speed with reverse in the correct place and not made in China. SVT perf pkg. I called my CU and they gave me the green light on the loan (used car interest rates suck.) Still would need to get the dealer who has the car to give me a fair price on the car, and they're having a hard time doing it. Plus if I do this I'd have to get rid of the GT somehow -- I'd sell it obviously. At any rate, I'm still going to do all the Ford Customer Service stuff, but the fact of the matter is that I will not trust the trans when I get the car back anyway, and if I can't trust it, I'm not going to get on it. If I'm not going to get on it... what the hell am I doing driving a mustang? Heh. Check the Shelby out - it's pretty nice. Very tempting -- even with the increased car payment. I'll make my mind up tomorrow.
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I called the customer service line today and spoke to a very nice lady for about a half hour and told her the story. About twenty minutes after that my service rep called me from the dealership and said "hey man you need a car?" So they'll provide a loaner at this point. If I don't go buy the shelby today, I'll probably take them up on it.
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May 24, 2013 17:15
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Also - I was working with the salesman with the shelby today and talking price and someone came in to another salesperson and they sold it out from under me. I thought that was a crap move, but hey business is business, and they won't get mine. I probably should have put a deposit down yesterday, but oh well. I guess the guy who wants to buy the car is willing to dump a whole bunch of negative equity into it and get financed through the dealer which makes me laugh my rear end off, but whatever. They're making more money from that guy, selling it at sticker with their in-house ripoff financing. They'll never see my face again, but something tells me they don't care that much.
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May 24, 2013 18:25
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Nope I totally understand and don't begrudge the dealership in making the sale out from under me. It would have been easily solved with a deposit on my end. They are well within their rights to get the most they can for the car. I am also well within my rights to not do business with them on any level after pulling that. I was actively negotiating a price in good faith. However yes, I get how things work and I don't feel slighted, just sort of feel like the dealership didn't earn my business. No harm, no foul.
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coolskillrex remix posted:$42,000 gets you a lot of different cars. The shelby is awesome but really i would test drive M3s, c63s, porsche 911s/caymans (poo poo maybe even try the jaguar xkr supercharged out). MORE POWAAA is great and all but going around the twisties with a 4000lb car that has a live rear axle is not exactly the most ideal setup. I would consider it a sign that if you want to drop that kind of cash on a used car to properly test drive every single possible option. Thanks for the advice. I only buy Ford.
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May 24, 2013 18:43
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Sure, but Ford doesn't own Jaguar any more and they don't produce a vehicle which has a VIN that starts with 1.
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May 24, 2013 19:15
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I am fully willing to admit that it is a bit silly but I can't shake it. I've tried believe me.
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Bumming Your Scene posted:I'm getting my MGW shifter in, but I'm losing interest in installing it... Yeah the MGW install vs. Barton + Bracket ultimately made me go with the Barton. I don't know what sort of level car wizard you are, but I'm just a guy who knows about cars and works on them sometimes. If a job is too big i'm not too proud to have a shop do it. The barton install just seemed frankly easier and while reviews generally agree that the MGW is the superior product as it is a complete shifter + linkage replacement (plus that nifty heat shield!) where the Barton/Steeda/FR is just shifter+bracket, it's not like the barton gets panned -- people generally like them, and the throw looked just right to me. Plus (and this was important to me personally) install can be something that a rusty knuckle busting bolt dropper like me and my 16 year old kid can do together on a saturday for an hour or two. I still haven't been able to install the barton stuff yet though since the car is still at the dealer getting fixed blah blah blah but once I get it back I'll put it in and report back. If she ever comes back to me, that is.
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Day 25. They say it will be done tomorrow. I was out and close to the dealership so I pulled in and saw my car just out with the hood popped (but not up) and the center console / shifter out. The console was laying on the floor. This car had been garaged every night since I brought it home, and here it was being blasted by the sun for almost a month. There was a layer of dust on it. It sort of made me sick/sad. I knew too that the whole transmission wasn't even on the car. I felt sick looking at it. There was a pair of channel locks sitting on the seat for crying out loud.
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Jun 6, 2013 03:19
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yeah I washed the sand out of my chocha and feel a bit better about things now. They still have the car, but I think while they were monkeyinga round with the trans they broke something because they decided friday to just put in a whole new transmission. I have no idea why they didn't just decide this 3 weeks ago, but whatever. I should get the car back tomorrow or Wednesday. With the new trans I don't expect any further issues. Probably just got a dud from the factory. In the meantime I bought a focus ST and I've been tearing it up with that bad boy Mario Kart style while I wait for my stang. Then I'll drive the Mustang and let the wife drive the ST, which is cool because she loves it and I can finally get rid of that dreaded minivan.
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Jun 10, 2013 20:56
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hate to double post but ford says they are willing to do a buyback on the car. I just want them to eat the loan at this point. Anyone had any experience with Ford buybacks?
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Jun 11, 2013 20:29
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now they've changed the story. Since the trans was backordered until July they ordered the new bearing and were able to get the car back together again. They are "driving it now" and said it should be ready either late today or tomorrow. I don't want to wait any longer -- I'm tired of waiting and I'm upset that the whole trans wasn't replaced. I'm upset because now I'll have no faith in the trans for the entire time I've owned the car since they "fixed it" and didn't replace it. Also I know now that if I install the barton + bracket that I have waiting then they will do everything they can to void my warranty. I can't really risk that with a car that's already had trans issues. So now I'll be stuck with those long-rear end stock throws forever, and that was always something I'd planned on replacing. Such BS. Now my panties are in a twist thinking about the whole thing and I'm in sperg mode so I'll stop.
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Jun 12, 2013 17:58
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this morning the guy at the dealership called me and said that actually they do have a trans they can put in, but it doesn't have some "lock out" component in it that the MT82 that my car has came with. He said other than that it's the same trans. I said "You mean like when it locks me out from 2nd to 3rd sometimes?" (a LOT of people complain about this) and he goes "yep." So I think they put something in the trans that closes the gate the 3rd under certain circumstances. I also can't help but wonder if it wasn't part of the reason the synchro went. As for the car, Once I get it back they have offered to make a car payment and do the 5 year - 125k mile platinum care plan for the car. The thought of never paying for another oil change appeals to me, but the thought of having another trans issue with a different trans does not. Luckily I'm waaaay past lemon law at this point so if the car has to go in the shop for ANY OTHER ISSUE - not trans - I can claim relief under the lemon law since they've had the car for so long at this point: MI Lemon Law posted:Q. What is considered a reasonable number of repair attempts? So no matter what I think I'm in good footing here. If they put a new trans in it and it works fine for the rest of the time i own the car, no harm no foul I guess. Just pay the payments I had to make while the car was in service + the warranty. Seems fair.
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Jun 13, 2013 20:14
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it's funny you mention that -- the 2011 and 2012 Mustangs featured skip shift technology (late model vettes have this too, don't know about camaros because lol camaros) but they took it out of both the V6 and GT for 2013 because people hated it. you can also bypass skip shift through software with a tuner. I think what he was talking about is something else actually. Not quite sure what the point is of locking you out of 3rd. Especially since you consider that skip shift was meant for low RPM applications (putting around town at normal speeds) whereas the "lockout" problem I experienced (and later the grinding when going into gear) was only at higher RPM (though the grinding did get worse over time to the point where it wouldn't go into 3rd gear unless the engine was < 3000 RPM.)
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Jun 13, 2013 20:47
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Final update -- I got my car back. It's fine. The dealer installed a short throw shifter as a mea culpa but will not openly admit it as it was technically a warranty repair. I guess I'll sell the barton and bracket I have. I will be getting under the car to inspect what they actually did, but the throws are much shorter and the new trans shifts much better than the original one did even the car was brand new. The car is completely different now. Sufficed to say happy ending, plus Ford is going to make a payment or two on the car and give it the gold 120k extended warranty or whatever. I'll iron out the final details with them next week, but I am very happy with the car and they took care of me after all. Don't expect them to add parts to your car if you have a trans issue, I just got lucky... and went 6 weeks without my car, and didn't sue them. At least now you fine folks won't have to listen to me whine about the car anymore. I'm as happy as a priest in an orphanage.
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Jun 21, 2013 21:00
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I wanted to chirp in here too and just mention that everything is fully resolved at this point with the car and Ford did right by me for the inconvenience the failure caused. It was a huge mess and I know when I first started posting about it I was really tweaking out about it for a while but all is right in the universe once more. Sometimes things just happen. Thanks for the blanket and cocoa when I was going through all that, thread participants. I've been back on the road for a couple of weeks and she feels great.
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Jul 7, 2013 09:43
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kimbo305 posted:What steps did you take and how did Ford accommodate you? I really only had to call Ford once to get the ball rolling. Used the same number they give you for roadside assistance. The dealership broke the transmission trying to reassemble it. When they tried to order a replacement, they were told it was back-ordered 2 months. Ford offered at that time to do the buyback, but then the next day the dealership called me directly and said that there was a transmission available after all, but it was a non-production mt-82 that was "improved" but would still be covered fully. Okay whatever go ahead. I've had the car back for about 3 weeks but don't really drive it much. Ford asked me if I wanted either one month's car payment or the gold ESP on the car. I told them I wanted 2 months of car payment instead. My CSR said they wouldn't do that but I told her to please ask anyway. She came back to me last Friday and said they agreed with me, so they'll be picking up my next two payments. Last night, after I'd stupidly made that post about how great things were, I was running late to something and decided to lean into it a little. They were right about this mt-82 being improved -- third gear is no problem now but I did have a problem with second gear last night. I'm not going through this again.
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Jul 9, 2013 02:31
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The Midniter posted:What kind of problem did you have with 2nd? Don't Mustangs have a skip-shift type thing for fuel economy, could that be it? I've made it a point to drive it pretty hard to test since then with no issues, so I dunno what was going on there. The 2013s do not feature skip shift, and even if they had it I would have tuned it out (you can disable it with a tune)
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Jul 12, 2013 15:19
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bowling 4 buttcoins posted:If it makes you feel any better I'm still dealing with skip shift issues, even after MGW install. Are you sure we can disable this via a tune for all 2011+? Yes - but take it from someone who just had their transmission replaced under warranty - use the trinity or intune. I am living proof that they truly aren't detectable. I flashed it back to stock a little before taking it back and didn't have any issues past my shift knob in terms of warranty. Believe me, they did try very hard to find a reason not to eat thousands of dollars in costs. I cannot speak to the SCT tuners, but I know that they are detectable under the methods ford uses to check these things. Check the TSB -- they're not interested in fixing these trans issues. roger wilco fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Jul 12, 2013 20:54
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wait though -- pretty sure they only use the getrag mt82 in mustangs. They use a different getrag transmission in the Focus and Fusion. I don't know what they use in the standard transmission F150s... My new mt82 is breaking in nicely, but I'm still strongly considering selling the car.
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mattwhoo posted:So question for you guys. I have a 2012 Black California Special with about 21k on the clock. Needless to say I have had a ton of problems with it. Lower control arms have been replaced twice, they just got done rebuilding the rear end for some metal on metal sound I have had for a while(they told me it was normal the first three times I took it in) and one blown engine. The car has been in the shop for over 40 days and counting(they told me it will be done Tuesday) in the last 11 months or so. Any way to make a long story short I have a lawyer and and trying to get ford to repurchase the car under the NC lemon law. The law is 20 business days out of service or 4 or more attempts to fix the same issue. So far they offered my 6k in cash and I keep the car. I told them to take a flying leap. Under the law if they have to repurchase the car I will get 32k - the 26k I still owe on it. I figure on a good day I would get 24 or so for a trade probably 22 on the low end. So that 6k offer leaves me with about 2-4k. I have no real idea on the auction value on this thing but I'm guessing if they had to repurchase the car it would probably cost them about 12-15k or so to do it. So AI how much would you hold out for or am I totally off on what they would they would sell the car for at auction? I had much easier of a time getting Ford to offer to buy my car back, and I think it's because I didn't involve a lawyer. I know that's lovely but there it is. In the end I kept my car, but if there was ever a case for a buyback, this is it.
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