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wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Have I already posted in this thread that I loving LOVED TWoK? MAN I am salivating for the next one. Mistborn was pretty inconstant, with parts being loving awesome, and other parts being a chore with plastic characters, but TWoK is just a solid-rear end book. Other than Kelsier I mean Kaladin being just a little too capable of rallying no matter how many times he's beaten down, I loved every last word.

Unnnnnfff just leavin a little thread jizz in here.

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wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Streebs posted:

Haha what the gently caress

BrandSanderson
A note from @sleepinghour: "Found some Japanese fanart of @BrandSanderson's "Mistborn": http://bit.ly/hiXy30 "

ugh, I can just picture that anime creeper drawing it up and paying special attention to get the camel toe juuust right. Not overstated, but if she's going to wear a skin-tight whatever the gently caress that is, clearly she's going to have a camel toe. I mean it's just unrealistic otherwise.

Also, she's always described as extremely young, or boyish even, so don't go overboard on the tits. A classy "D" is plenty, as long as they're popping the gently caress out of her straining bustier.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Democratic Pirate posted:

Re: Sanderson's Anime/Movie writing.

While I love the WoT One Power fighting scenes in books, they don't quite translate over in my head as well as most of the fighting in TWoK did. It is a lot easier for me to imagine a group of screenwriters being able to make a dude running around on walls, giant suits of armor with power swords that can kill 3+ people in one swing, and a guy running around on walls stabbing people with a spear + possibly flying eventually look way better in a live action movie than people concentrating while weaving threads that end up exploding.

Fantasy doesn't make good movies. I feel confident saying that categorically, and yes, I'm including LoTR.

Maybe ASoIaF will be okay, I got more than halfway through the first book and there was like, 10 minutes of magic time in the movies. But that's about the only example I can think of.

WoT would be a horrible movie. At least, for me. Maybe they could make it a good movie if it wasn't the same story anymore, I dunno.

But there is a recent development--the accents used in Your Highness. Those things are fantasy enough, and yet not clearly some british dialect. If they could restrain themselves to using those, or others on that level, I'd give it a shot.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Yeah. That'd suck though, because even though I'd know I wouldn't enjoy it, until I did see it I'd spend every day quivering and sweating in a pointless effort of self-control.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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IRQ posted:

Yeah I'm sure the ancient Chinese had a different word for earth than the Romans too...

I think we may just all have to agree to disagree; you guys are dead set against the idea that they're the same world, but your arguments aren't at all convincing.

Read some Sanderson interviews, he's explicitly stated it.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Mahlertov Cocktail posted:

To be fair, if I could raise one eyebrow I would all the time.

You might think that's hyperbole, but I can and I do.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Democratic Pirate posted:

My friend and I had the same reaction to WoK: we thought it was interesting and would read a few chapters before putting it down. Suddenly, we both hit points around halfway through the book and couldn't put the book down until we finished it at like 3am. This was also on Kindle so it made it a bit more difficult to flip around to review parts of a characters storyline though.

This was my reaction exactly.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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No way, I loved the flashbacks exactly as they were. The pacing of the story was one long, dark, hopeless introduction. If it wasn't frequently broken up, it would have been so oppressive I would have stopped reading. As it was, I thought they added a lot of tension, and almost the entire book it was driving me crazy that I didn't know why or how he refused the shardblade. Literally every single flashback, I was thinking, "ok NOW we're going to find out how he won a shardblade and why he gave it up". Yeah, we knew the end result, but come on, you'd have to be loving crazy to turn that down. The flashbacks told us why he was that crazy.

By the same token, if it had started from him being a child, I think that story would have gotten boring quickly when it's not constantly answering questions. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if this is something Brandon Sanderson comes out and says he'd change if he could, but I loved it exactly as it was.

The only thing I'd have changed is, I wouldn't have given Szeth a POV right at the beginning. I think it would have been much better if we could have watched from inside as the king's initial contempt turned to fear when he realized he was going to get killed by this thing straight out of The Matrix, and then it switched to Szeth as the king died and tried to pass on his message.

Plus that way he wouldn't have had to explain Lashings so much right at the beginning, which was a little stilted.

e: Also, I have to stop myself from saying "shartblade" every. single. time. I mean it's just begging for it.

wellwhoopdedooo fucked around with this message at 18:38 on May 8, 2011

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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senae posted:

I agree with everything you said, but I think you mean Szeth, not Sazed.

derp! Thanks.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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IRQ posted:

WoK was pretty weak (for Sanderson) standing on its own so yeah go ahead and get everything else.

On the other hand, I thought WoK was fantastic, and if I was going to buy only one Brandon Sanderson book it'd be WoK.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Abercrombie has a way to go before he's one of the greats. Finishing a story would be a good start--all we've got are bits and pieces, you never know, he could Steven King us. He's pretty good though, I don't think he's actually going to make a spider eat Bayaz, and I like his work more than I like "better" writers'.

Sanderson? Well, WoK was loving incredible. If he can do an entire series of 10 books (gently caress, they start calling it a cycle at that point, don't they?) at that level of quality, with a strong story that covers the entire thing, it'll easily be up there with WoT and LotR. Of course, he's been working on that book for 10 years or something, so I guess we'll see how much of that quality was the result of long percolation when the next one comes out in ... 2012?

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Steven King is on there. Twice. David. loving. Eddings is on that list.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Cartoon Man posted:

Let the popularity contest begin. (Its all for charity.)


http://t.co/r3Oeajl

At least Sanderson and Butcher are both currently fetching higher bids than the GRRM...

Why is the auction for Towers of Midnight showing him holding up Way of Kings?

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Umph posted:

Just loving tore up the mistborn trilogy, felt hollow inside when it ended, palm slammed Way of Kings in like a week, fistpumping at the ending, and now I realy don't know what to do.

I was thinking maybe Amercrombie next.. I guess.

This guy is fantastic. I had been warned he was a little dragon-ball-z-ingy, but if he was a tad overkill on Mistborn he loving nailed it in the first Stormlight book. I can't wait for more!

How are his stand alone novels? I can't remember ever staying up all night with a book because I was too excited to stop since I was a kid. Sanderson is a legend in the making.

Agreeing with the other posters on Elantris, it's pretty good. I didn't really care for Warbreaker that much, a couple of the main characters just completely flopped for me. But, if you enjoy Sanderson's ... unique ... :airquote: sense of humor :airquote:, you'll love the characters I was bored to tears by.

As for Abercrombie, I highly recommend reading everything he's ever written. He tells stories in a very different way, extremely character-driven vs. Sanderson's plot-driven style, but his characters are so alive you can't help but love each and every one of them (except maybe Ferro) no matter what kind of horrible bastards they are (and they are).

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Clinton1011 posted:

I would agree that Warbreaker is my least favorite book of his but It is still a really good book. The sequel to that book is the one I am most looking forward to though.

Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to the sequel, the two characters I actually liked look like they'll be the stars, the two incredibly annoying characters are dead, and the two meh characters will hopefully be taking a back seat.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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I only like watching the very roundest eyeballs vibrate for a half hour.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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I gotta say, he's made massive strides in humor in this book. It feels much less forced, like instead of trying to make me laugh out loud he's happy to get a genuine smile.

Oh, there's still been a time or maybe even two times where I wanted to cringe (I'm about halfway through now) but on the whole, I think he's finally starting to get it. And the rest of his writing is getting really good too, he's going from a writer with really interesting ideas whose prose was pretty rough at times, to a just plain excellent writer. Can't wait to read absolutely everything he ever writes, but I'm practically drooling over the modern times Mistborn and next Stormlight book.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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veekie posted:

Nice Parshendi

Craaaaaaaaaaaaab people

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Kruller posted:

I'd try out Mistborn, then. It's a quick, easy read, is still pretty early in his work, and the trilogy is "complete" in a way. Way of Kings is supposed to be Wheel of Time long, and it just started, so you'd get a better idea of how he's able to construct a mythos better with Mistborn. Plus they're pretty cool.

Hell, the first book is "complete". If he hadn't written another word of Mistborn, I wouldn't have felt cheated by the ending. No need to slog through the whole trilogy if you don't like the first book.

The big battle toward the end of Mistborn really gives you a good idea of what he can do as far as a fight scene. You'll know which one I'm talking about when you read it. I'm biased, but if you like fantasy novels I feel like you owe it to yourself to read that. If you can't picture it in your head down to the last coin, his writing style just ain't working for you.

One caveat is that although he says he's very proud of the IB:A stuff he wrote and is extremely happy with how it came out, he's not always the best judge of when he's doing a good job. He also thinks that Warbreaker was one of his funniest books ever, and Lightsong is one of his funniest characters, when in reality the humor consistently cringe-inducing. I honestly don't understand how he just keeps on improving when being able to realistically self-assess is pretty vital to getting better, but it's a fact that he's consistently improved in every book he puts out (except for the "humor" in Warbreaker. Jesus God in heaven.)

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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IRQ posted:

No I don't think that's true at all, have you really dug around his website? He's actually pretty critical of a lot of his work and at the very least is pretty well aware of (some of) his shortcomings. I'm not sure if he knows his witty/funny stuff is very much neither of the two, but it was a lot better in Alloy of Law so maybe he is.

Read the annotations for Warbreaker. Chapter 5 part 2 is the first example I saw that mentions the "humor", but it's a number of times throughout the whole thing. It's pretty clear he thinks it's actually funny, at least when he wrote the annotations he did.

I don't want to rag on the guy (again) though, because I really, really like his books, but I wasn't talking out of my rear end there. There's no doubt he's improved, so I don't know if it's true anymore, nor do I care, I just want him to write more books.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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If you gloss over the backstory and main story segments that make the badguy bad, ignore the intentional moral ambiguity, and invent not even implied backstories for the henchmen where they're just doing it to feed their staving families, sure, you can invert just about any story.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Oh that would just be the most bad-rear end thing ever.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Kaladin is my favorite character. I don't give a gently caress how conventional, or trite, or contrived, or hackneyed his character or arc may be (although I'd argue that it's only any of those on the shallowest surface read), I love reading his chapters. Even the flashbacks.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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BananaNutkins posted:

And another thing, I liked how telegraphed the thing with Kaladin's brother was. I think that was intended by Sanderson, because I had a real sense of dread waiting for it. The last time I felt that kind of dread was with Susan in Wizard and Glass by Steve King. King did it better, to the point that I actually felt sick, but Sanderson's effort worked too.

Funny, the flashbacks reminded me a lot of Wizard and Glass as well. They both have that semi-dreamlike state, that just makes reading them a really awesome experience. Unless of course it's too much of a transition for you, which is understandable--you're right in the middle of the story, and then you get broken out of it and are expected to read some story that's just very different. The best I can say for those who don't enjoy it is, it'll probably be better the second time through, because you won't have that subconscious anxiety that it's taking away from the "real" story. And if not, at least you can skip it guilt-free.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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If you're ever in trouble, you can just eat your laptop.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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arioch posted:

And then eat something else metal and useful.

Carry a gun with steel bullets, you can fire one down your throat and it'll get to your stomach even faster.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Devorum posted:

Just finished Way of Kings, and I'm super stoked for Stormlight 2. I thought the book was excellent, and you can definitely tell that Sanderson learns from each book how to make the next one better.

Starting Alloy of Law in an hour or so...after that, I'll be out of books again. Time to hit up the recommendation thread, I suppose.

As for Moirainne vs. Kelsier, I'm very torn. I want them to team up and rape the rest of the competition. In the end, I have to give it to Moirainne, though. The OP beats Allomancy. It is pretty amazing that he churned out the write up in like 30 minutes in between all his other projects, though I'm not surprised.

Something another poster brought up in the WoT thread: Atium. Prescience is a pretty dang big equalizer, and the interactions between that and Balefire should be sweet as gently caress.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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How would a sphere of solid air protect against a Duralumin-enhanced Soothing? Do you keep channeling when you're all stroked the gently caress out and drooling?

I really think the sheer weirdness of Allomancy makes up for its other weaknesses, and this is going to be one gently caress-awesome fight.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Cartoon Man posted:

He said the next full length trilogy will star a full blown Mistborn again and take place in a more modern era with cars, skyscrapers, and planes.

I am so loving hard for this.

1.) Oh god I was so worried he was going to go overboard with the "limitations are what makes stories interesting" thing. Too much power sucks, but man it's fun reading about badasses.

2.) Modern-era fantasy! Yes! I love the poo poo out of fantasy novels, but I hate me some loving "mi'lord" bullshit. Magic trains! Magic desalination plants! Magic nuclear reactors! Magic organ transplants! It's everything cool about our world, but more so, and magic. Stopping time instead of anesthetic. Nano-scale hemalurgy of/with bacteria. Party girls overusing Soothers instead of Prozac to help them be okay with what useless people they are. gently caress, what kind of crazy class system would evolve if some of us were wizards?

3.) How about that southern continent? What kind of crazy poo poo has been going on down there?

4.) Can't wait to see what he does with his much-improved writing since the the last full Mistborn. Also, the new Mistborn being out means we'll have the conclusion of TWoT and possibly up to book 5 in TWoK. Wow those are super-similar initialisms.

5.) I am totally gay for Brandon Sanderson.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Ahahahahaha oh man that's great.

Just a little meaner, Sanderson .... yesssssss.... :smugbert:

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Personally, this made my imagination run wild in reference to the upcoming modern-era Mistborn. I don't know if he'll use something like that, but there is a metric assload of cool that could come out of it.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Democratic Pirate posted:

I get more and more excited every time I read more about Sanderson's whole Cosmere thing. This quote:
made me want to get my books out and start clue hunting.

Also, this whole answer (MISTBORN SPOILERS)
is just..goddamn it Sanderson.

I just got the hugest nerdy grin from the idea of getting to read about more Kelsier. For somebody who's supposed to be kind of a dick, I always found him to be one of the most likeable characters in all of his books.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Contra Calculus posted:

So I liked the Mistborn Trilogy and Alloy of Law. Still haven't read his WoT books because I've only read the first three (and I dread reading the ones after that based on what people have told me). So the Stormlight Archives series is pretty good though? I wasn't a huge fan of Rothfuss' writing is the only thing and the OP claims that it's comparable to that.

Stormlight Archives is pretty far from Rothfuss. I personally loved Rothfuss' books, but I'll admit Kvothe is a Mary Sue and he's got some Internet Male views on stuff. You won't find any of that poo poo in Stormlight, the worst thing is that there's Yet Another Spunky Princess (and her ... quips), but she's actually a really interesting character.

e: oh, hey, there's a whole 'nother page saying this exact thing. Herp.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Aggro posted:

I'm a third of the way through The Way of Kings, and I'm having the same issue with it that I did with Elantris. There are three protagonists, but one of them has a vastly more interesting story than the others. For Elantris, Raoden was way more fun to read about than Sharene or Hrathen. In The Way of Kings, Kaladin's chapters are a huge step up from those with Dalinar and his son. Like, I get frustrated when they get back-to-back chapters because I want more Kaladin.

I felt the same way at around the 1/3 mark.

Then I flipped the page, and was horrified to find that I was already halfway through. Then I flipped the page, and it was tomorrow. The book really hits its stride after the 1/3-1/2 way through mark on your first readthrough. On the second, the first 1/3 is much more interesting, because you understand the characters.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Yay Pudding! posted:

I've read pretty much everything except for the WOT stuff and Elantris and enjoyed it. I skipped Elantris because I heard the writing wasn't great, but given that I've enjoyed all of his other stuff is it worth trying? Is the writing really bad, or did I just get bad information?

The last third of the book is very good. If you don't mind what is, honestly, a slog at times, it's worth it, and he apparently plans a sequel.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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The Gunslinger posted:

I'm about halfway through the second book now and it's...not great. The first book was pretty consistent so this is a bit disappointing, I'm just not enjoying it very much. Maybe the first book coasted on the Kelsier character too much, I don't know but it's really boring with the focus being mostly on Vin and her character isn't anywhere near as interesting this time. I hope this gets better, avalanche or not.

IIRC, yeah, it picks up right around the halfway mark. But the second book is easily the weakest in the trilogy, I was thinking of giving up on it a couple times myself. Vin's "journey" really didn't grab anything in me at all.

The third book made me glad I stuck with it, but overall I'd call Mistborn "pretty good" and not "great", with moments of "holy gently caress that was sweet" and at least a few slogs of "oh my GOD I don't care". Book two is where the greatest density of the last occurs by far.

The Way of Kings is great. Hold your final judgment on Sanderson until you've read that book, you won't be sorry.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Clinton1011 posted:

Yea that is odd, wouldn't Surgebinding drain the Shardplate of it's Stormlight? During the book it is shown that Shardplate with drained gems didn't function correctly and couldn't regrow.

Unless the Knights Radiant don't need Stormlight to Surgebind since they get their powers from Honorspren?

It's been to long since I have read this book, I want to start a re-read but I know I will be kicking myself when done since the new book wont be out for some time now.

I don't have a source for this, but could I swear I remember hearing either in the book, or from a Sanderson interview (or let's be honest maybe a random theorycrafter on 17thShard), that the KR didn't use gems in their armor.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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ShadowGlass posted:

Strange, I can't find the reference to this in the book, but I was sure I'd read somewhere that forgetting his wife was not the curse. Maybe it was an interview or something.

Yeah, I swear I remember Dalinar himself saying or thinking it.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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jneer posted:

On Steelheart and Epics - I was disappointed to learn that Epics are lovely individuals because it's literally a side effect of their powers. It would be much more interesting to find out that the powers had no effect on their morals beyond the inherent corrupting force that comes with having absolute power and no reason to be accountable.

The way I like to look at is that it's not a side-effect of the power at all--it's a side effect of a person being given that kind of power.

I've thought about this a bunch, and it's actually funny that Sanderson's inspiration for this was road-rage; my personal theory for a long time has been that road-rage comes from people's (a) inability to deal with something we can destroy getting in our way, (b) tendency to think of our cars as an extension of our bodies when driving, and (c) inability to conceive of a 3,500-pound person made of metal even though that's how we're basically seeing ourselves on the road.

When somebody cuts you off on the road, you try to apply your theory of mind to the person driving the car, why did they do that, what are they going to do next, which backfires, because now you're thinking of them as a person, and your lizard brain says that people get squished by cars and they are a person and you are a car and gently caress THIS THING. I COULD CRUSH THIS PUNY HUMAN, HOW DARE IT gently caress WITH ME? The result of squashing that instinct? Road-rage. At least that's my theory.

With super powers? You'd see yourself as a god. Somebody does something you don't like? Squish that ant. You're a 3,500-pound lizard person that can eat souls and poo poo lightning.

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wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

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Somebody needs to do an edit of Stormlight Archives where every terrible joke Wit tells is replaced with Rodney Dangerfield.

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