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thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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cheese posted:

I can confirm that I dislike this as well and think it was a bad idea. It would have been so much more interesting to have it be ambiguous.

This is something that bothers me, as well. There's SO much worldbuilding and cosmology that is released through fucknowswhat gateways, I certainly don't have a clue, which ties all of Sanderson's work together in the most intricate of ways, and it bugs me that I don't know where it's all coming from, and am missing some really significant details in the stories as a result - for instance, I'm pretty sure that all 16 non-God metals from Mistborn have actually been detailed somewhere (at least in what their Allomantic forms do), but it drat sure wasn't on the pages of any of the novels. It's kinda irksome. I know from his podcast how much planning he does, but I'd kinda prefer if he kept it away from the public except when he's releasing it in books.

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thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Ah, I need to get the RPG then.

But really that's just an example (and not a very good one) - the mere existence of the Cosmere as a thing is something you only pick up from outside any of the books AFAIK, not to mention the fact that Hoyd is anything special at all, with all that that specialness implies.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


veekie posted:

The Cosmere extends beyond any particular series I think. He had it in mind since before he started his writing career, and the people who know the most about it are his beta readers. Heck, we even saw Hoid in Mistborn, he was one of the informants.

Correction: he was ALL of the informants, according to the Wiki; there's one in each book, at roughly the same point in each.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


But the one Kell talked to was Hoid. I'm pretty sure that happened? It's been a while, I'll admit. Certainly the two in the later books, (one of whom Vin never actually talked to) were Hoid according to the wiki.

I should read Mistborn again.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Yep, Firstborn is a book I read and finished in about an hour and a half (75 pages), but I finished and said 'holy poo poo I want Brandon Sanderson to write more Sci Fi.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Superstring posted:

He could probably make it work. The more famous your are the more power you have?

I quite like 'the less famous you are, the more power (on the proviso that it takes some special thing to have power at all). Mages who can ONLY work in the shadows...

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


SO looking forward to Steelheart. Just got my copy today. Mega-stoked.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Antti posted:

Hint to UK/EU goons who are ebook impaired: I just discovered that The Emperor's Soul and Legion have been put together in an omnibus paperback edition!

Yeah, I saw that in Waterstone's myself today. Cool cover, but I'm really not sure those two books actually go together...

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Ithaqua posted:

I'm about 2/3rds of the way through Steelheart, and I'm quite enjoying it. I'm pretty sure I figured out what Steelheart's weakness is, although I was pretty sure I had it figured out after reading the first chapter a few months ago, so we'll see if I'm right.

I feel like this book would translate really well into a movie.

I'm fairly sure Sanderson has been looking in that direction for some time. Legion, for instance, was explicitly written with being a TV pilot in mind.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Gygaxian posted:

I remember (or think I remember) that Lord Cett, the angry cripple from the second (and third, I think) book of Mistborn swears a lot.

My best recollection is that his swearing is almost always reported rather than printed.

I don't think I've seen curse words in any of Sanderson's work. And yeah, I'm finding the not-curse words (sparks and slontze primarily) kinda distracting.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Well, I finished it (ill today D: it's very distracting attempting to cough your lungs up about once a chapter) and it was very, very good. The minor plot issue that bothers me though, is the Transfersion - wouldn't it have made everyone's clothes and shoes metal too? Heck, their hair should have been affected. Steelheart doesn't seem the type to be kind enough to ship in a city's worth of clothing.

I thought his weakness would be someone who thought he was a good guy - that would have been a lot tougher to work. It would have worked well with the propaganda room, too. The more people think he's a total oval office, murdering people for no reason, the fewer who are going to realise that he's actually been pretty good for the city, and start thinking of him as more benevolent.

I pegged Prof fairly early on, but looking back, it should have been obvious - he's the only Reckoner who goes by a pseudonym. Completely missed Megan though - with all the stuff about it taking David a while to figure out the Tensors, I figured she just... couldn't work it out. It seems obvious on reflection. But it would have been more so if it had been explicit that neither the harmsway or the jackets worked for her, which wasn't obvious until the book was already climaxing.


Can't wait to see where the next one goes.

Also, it's fantastic to have basically what amounts to an entire book which correlates, both plot- and pace-wise to the last third of one of Sanderson's epic length books. He's great at the riproaring conclusion, having a whole riproaring book is just cool.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


I must have missed the 'and everything nearby' part - but it can't be that discriminating, it managed to steelify most of a lake, and they're full to brimming with living tissue... Probably just one of those things.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Xachariah posted:

Uh, not to be pedantic or anything but have you finished the book? Mouse over the following only if you have: Steelhearts weakness is being attacked by a person who does not fear him. The anti-propaganda was to make people fear him.

As far as overarching themes through multiple books, anyone taking bets on Calamity being similar to Preservation/Ruin/Honor/Odium/Cultivation/Devotion/Dominion/Endowment?

Hard to reconcile the earth setting with the cosmere stuff I suppose, unless you want to get into alternate realities.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was Cosmere, but I'd find it a little odd, given that it's an explicitly alternate-Earth setting. I kind of hope not.

But yeah, Calamity being constantly capitalised, and indeed almost personified, does make me wonder.

That being said, I wonder if Calamity is actually an uber-Epic...

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Where are you getting the title of book 3 from, just btw?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Yeah, I won't try to pretend Steelheart is as good at superfic, particularly post-apocalyptic superfic, as Worm - but then, Wildbow has 1.5 million words of superfic under his belt, where Sanderson has 100,000. 100k words into Worm, it wasn't this good.

Plus, yeah, the swears got more annoying. I mentally found myself replacing basically every incidence of 'sparks/sparking' with 'gently caress/loving', and the book just worked so much better. Hardbitten military types and horribly oppressed teen factory workers just shouldn't sound that... cutesy.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


TBF, Sanderson's done gritty and disturbing, it just tends to be a bit more off-screen. The scenes from Marsh's PoV once he's a Steel Inquisitor are hosed up. As are the Steel Inquisitors and Haemalurgy in general. Everyone one of those spikes? Came from a magician who was killed with it. Usually by hammering it directly through that magician into the steel inquisitor below. Into their eyes. And spinal columns. By a bunch of people who are essentially enslaved by the spikes, and can choose either to be forced to enjoy what they're doing, or can exert a modicum of control, just enough to KNOW they're being forced to enjoy it, and would otherwise not if not for the spikes. Steel inquisitors are horrific.

Not to mention the loving Koloss.

It's not like Mistborn in general isn't incredibly dark, too. This is a world teetering on the very brink of apocalypse, and quite a lot of time is essentially spent fiddling whilst Rome burns.

Just because it's not (often and on-screen) gory, doesn't mean it's not dark. If anything, it's significantly darker than Abercrombie's world. Just with a more optimistic finish. The setting's nastier, but Sanderson is kinder about the human spirit, basically.

Where similar characters exist (looking at, say, Kelsier and Monza, two basically brutal murderers with no compassion in particular for large quantities of the populace. Monza goes about her revenge, gets it, carries on not hugely caring. Kelsier learns to get on with his crew, teaches a kid, and in the end sacrifices himself to the greater good.

It's pretty interesting to compare them, actually.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Indeed. I've just started rereading Alloy of Law, and it's taken me this long (having first read it nigh on two years ago, I think) to notice that the main characters are called Wax and Wa(y)ne

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Dang, I just reread Alloy of Law, and it reaises such interesting questions about Scadrial and its magicians. It is just such a cool world, and I desperately want to see it develop further. Plus, the afterword, presumably intended as an excerpt from Harmony's book on the world and the abilities of the people, really does make for interesting thoughts about the Comere as a whole (rumour has it that Hoyd has a nugget of Lerasium from the Well of Ascension. The metal that makes people into mega-powerful Mistborn...). As does thinking about what other powerful Compounders could be out there. Miles was really, really, stupidly powerful (though I thought right through, the way to kill him would be decapitation, unfortunately we'll never know whether that would have worked), and it got me thinking that the Chromium/Chromium compounder (burn Feruchemical reserves to wildly increase your own luck almost indefinitely) could be hilarious, as could the pewter/pewter (more in the melee beatstick vein, but still. Similarly, a Thug/Bloodmaker would be tough as nails - Wayne is already super-hard to kill and able to go against Thugs on his own... Most of the Feruchemical powers are a bit less useful to be able to burn at hugely increased efficiency though.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Yeah, regenerating body parts would presumably take a lot out of him, but he has to store very little to get a lot back, I think is the point - and I guess at the stage this is set, he's got years worth stored already, which is enough for tens of years of super-healing. And if he needs to, he could burn it all off at a go. Let's not forget, he voluntarily blew himself up at least once, and voluntarily shot himself in the head to prove how awesome he was to his men, so presumably regenerating large volumes of flesh wouldn't be TOO troubling.

I'm not wild on the whole regenerating body parts thing though. I prefer healing factors like this where they simply accelerate normal healing, rather than giving regenerative abilities. but that would make Miles a lot, lot less good as a villain though...

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Except, that's pretty clearly not what's happening. Having the powers doesn't make you a colossal dick, as neatly evidenced by Conflux and Prof, not to mention Firefight, nor does using those powers, as evidence by Prof's 'hypertech' devices. Being an Epic and using your own Epic powers causes a change in your personality

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Basically, I was countering the argument that the power=dick thing is pure human psychology (i.e. absolute power corrupts absolutely because people are natively dicks, they just have too many limits to exercise it) - that's pretty clearly not the case. The powers make the Epics evil when the Epics use them, but not when Gifted to non-Epics (apparently).

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


One thing I wonder: what if all Epics are actually Gifters, they're just mostly too selfish to actually try?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Firstborn was pretty bitching too When he works hard on cutting down wordcounts, he really does improve.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Tunicate posted:



Wait a second! They were on TWO plane rides and no collaboration has manifested? Unacceptable!

You'd want it to? I'm not sure I want Mistborn|Eragon.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


omnibobb posted:

Can someone explain Compounding to me?

I'm re-reading Alloy of Law and they just explained Miles' being a double gold or whatever.

Is it he burns gold like a normal allomancer and this allows him to recharge his metalminds which he taps to allow him to burn gold like an allomancer?

Because doesn't the metal need to be ingested for the allomantic abilities to happen?

Basically, you can allomantically burn feruchemical reserves (if you have the abilities corresponding to the same metal), and their power is significantly increased by doing so. People with compounding abilities presumably still need to spend some time charging up their abilities (c.f. the Lord Ruler needing to spend some time as an old man to store up youth in his atiumminds), but they can charge a relatively small amount of *thing* for a massive return. Presumably you could run Miles out of power, but it would take a long-rear end time, and I'd've assumed ([spoiler]though presumably not since the execution was apparently successful) that he would have embedded some in his body in order to be able to refill and burn them without needing to chug them. Vin was able to sense the reserve of power from Sazed's metalminds, but not to activate it - the power can only be accessed by the person who stores it, as it stands.

I'm not absolutely sure Allomancers actually need to have the metals in their stomachs to burn them anyway, I have a feeling in the bloodstream is enough for those that are biocompatible.

I love the magic systems in Scadrial. They're definitely Sanderson's best for my money. It's so flexible, and there's just so much more left to explore with it. And it's so clever, so rarely is there any time where you say 'well, why not do x with magic'? And when you do, it's usually just because someone hasn't thought of it yet, and then proceeds to do so (c.f. Vin with the horseshoes).

And yeah, theorising about killing gold compounders is all very well (decapitate them with something wide enough that their head is completely separated from their neck by the blade - Kell did it to one of the inquisitors, who have gold compounding powers), but getting into position is a bitch.

drat I love these books.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Tunicate posted:

Couple points: Apparently you don't need to spend time charging up your abilities; the Lord Ruler spent time as an old man just because he was tired as hell of ruling the empire.

Inquisitors actually weren't compounders, they were just normal gold feruchemists. Well, a bit sub-normal, hemalurgic decay and all that. That's apparently why they spend so much time resting. Apparently some of them might have figured it out, but there's some unspecified details that make it more difficult than just 'eat this'.

I'm fairly sure they were (or could have been) compunders - they had the ability both to feruchemise and to burn gold - or could have if they were given the latter ability. Maybe they weren't, I'm not sure it's easy to tell the difference between feruchemical gold healing and compound gold healing until one runs out and the other doesn't.

I presume you need to charge at least once though - but once you had, you could presumably fill one metalmind whilst burning another, for ever-increasing returns. Normal feruchemists and only go in one direction at a time, but I think compounders work differently.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Not to mention feruchemical pewter.

From the Alloy of Law appendix, probably the answer is aluminium weaponry.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Possibly - I'm not sure though. The way it's written, it does seem like aluminium just nulls magic, so it would probably cut normally.

Of course, the way to do it properly would be to use the pair of metals that does externally what aluminium does internally...

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Hell yes. Iron and steel burners are basically free power. You get a lot of it from a very small amount of resource, and that's discounting what you could potentially do by combining a bunch of lurchers/coinshot and a nicrosil misting. Hell, a skilled coinshot could very easily power his own vehicle, simply by having the right sort of cranking mechanism attached to the axle.

This is what I most like about the idea of the Alloy series - we've already seen a few bits and pieces of everyday allomancy (Renette, in particular, and her doors, but also the gun that's keyed so only a coinshot or lurcher can take the safety off, Wax powering bullets with his allomancy etc etc etc), taking it to the next stage sounds awesome.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Mortanis posted:

There's also the fact that (Alloy of Law Spoiler) The guy that Wax runs into at the beginning of the book completely looks to be burning Atium when he somehow manages to perfectly beat the little trick he and his girl had set up. It's just too neatly done and really seems like the guy knew exactly where to move her. Atium.

Electrum would do the trick, wouldn't it? It only shows you your futures, not other peoples' but it would allow you to know in which you them the bullet hit you, and in which it hit what you wanted it to hit? Also, I'm not convinced something that happens within the first chapter really counts as spoilers when you consider some of the unspoilered things being discussed on this page.

I really must get round to emailing bransan actually - there's a quote from one of the Mistborn books I want to have read at my wedding and it's only polite to ask permission. Goony as gently caress, or goony as gently caress?

e: and someone mentioned that Ruin died: he absolutely didn't; Sazed combined the Ruin and Preservation shards to become Harmony.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Where Sazed talks to Vin about love using the analogy of locks and keys; somewhere in the middle of book 3 IIRC. It fits us really well.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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BananaNutkins posted:

He's posted a breakdown on his website before. I think he usually goes through about 6 drafts total. The Warbreaker series of drafts he had on his website was a really cool way to see his process.

I was lucky enough to attend a retreat with Brandon earlier this year, and some of his talks helped me adjust my writing style for swiftness of completion. He's a cool guy, less artistic and more pragmatic about writing.

A few nights I decided to stay up and get some extra writing done, and Brandon was on the couch next to me finishing up draft 1 of WoR. Pretty humbling.

You went to Out of Excuses? How was it? I've been listening along to the podcasts they recorded there, it sounded fun.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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I'm not, I just like listening to the podcast and dreaming D: (I used to be)

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Red Seas was reasonable, I haven't picked up Republic of Thieves yet. I'll probably wait for the paperback.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Is the UK cover available yet? I really like the aesthetic of Sanderson's UK editions, and I wanna see the next one!

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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The Puppy Bowl posted:

The UK cover looks like David Lynch's Dune mixed with medieval armor but still somehow bad.

Have to say, I concur that the WoR UK cover isn't as good as most of them. It's gotten less stylised, more realistic, less... flowing. It's good, but it's not great.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Well, I just finished it, and my main question:

has anyone else theorised that, as per Mistborn, there are actually 16 Surges rather than 10, and the remaining 6 will be super-important? The Cosmere really likes that number after all

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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uh zip zoom posted:

"He had to remember that he was falling. This was not flight, and every second he moved, his speed increased."

I slept through much of high school physics, but is this actually possible? I recall something about 9.8 m/s squared. :eng101:

Yes. But I guess he doesn't know about terminal velocity (it took da Vinci to figure that one out, and no-one believed him for a long-rear end time). Or, I suppose, given that he's Lashing himself multiple times, he's actually falling at several g, so more than 9.8 m/s^2, which is only the gravity of earth.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!


Yeah, the secondary characters have a lot more time through the rest of the series (if you've not yet finished the first one, I won't tell you why).

But Ham's thing is that he's a philosopher, Breeze's is that he's secretly a nobleman, stuff like that. But yeah, as with any epic fantasy focused on one or two main protagonists, the supporting cast do tend to fade a bit into the background.

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thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

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Lift is basically early Vin, did anyone else notice? It's not like Vin didn't turn out cool a book or two later.

I quite liked her.

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