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L-O-N posted:Was that Nightblood there at the end? How the hell? At a guess, which could be completely wrong, Hoid. He gets around. Apparently also has one of (Mistborn trilogy spoiler aheadbits of metal that turn you into a mistborn, too. Mind you, he doesn't have a monopoly on inter-world travel.
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# ¿ Mar 5, 2014 19:44 |
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# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 23:18 |
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Narmi posted:
Aren't fabrials just imprisoned spren? I recall reading somewhere that is what they truly are (and its hinted in an interlude in book 1 by the spren researchers "this might change the way we make fabrials"). So shardplate would still need a spren at some stage to give it 'life'
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# ¿ Mar 6, 2014 20:46 |
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I was wandering around the coppermind, and found that Hemalurgy could potentially be used to steal a shardblade. Perhaps Hoid can do this, and this is how he takes Talns honorblade? Mind you, honorblades are different to regular shardblades, perhaps meant to be shareable, so maybe he just took it.
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# ¿ Mar 8, 2014 21:45 |
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Yeah, I do think it is pretty unlikely. If it were to be a major plot point Sanderson probably wouldn't have answered the question the way he did. Just because it is possible, doesn't mean it happens.
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# ¿ Mar 8, 2014 23:01 |
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The Glumslinger posted:This seems like a good time to mention that at the recent book signing I was at, Brandon did a reading from another series where bacteria and viruses have evolved to give people superpowers while they are sick to make themselves more likely to spread. No clue if it is Cosmere related. I'm sure I've read something of that sort before. I mean, it is an interesting idea and can go a number of ways. Patrick Ness did it in the chaos walking series and I'm sure that isn't the only author to use that idea.
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# ¿ Mar 9, 2014 06:02 |
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Superstring posted:I don't think anyone even knew Honorblades gave radiant powers except the Shin? Or that Taln had an Honorblade instead of a regular Shardblade? Well, the Parshendi did (from the Parshendi Excerpt: "They have surgebinders." "Maybe not. Could it have been an honorblade?") quote:szeth coming back pissed me off until I realized that Nin the herald had done it and then loving Nightblood! I need to reread Warbreaker now since I'm pretty sure Nightblood shares many aspects with share blades and would likely be able to feed off storm light just as it does breath since both are simply forms of investiture. Makes me wonder also if Nightblood was an "artificially created" spren. Perhaps it has more to do with spiritual realm vs cognitive realm stuff Cosmere spoilers: Spren are shards of Honor (although some are Honor/Cultivation), and so a shardblade is also a shard of Honor. In Warbreaker, Breath is a shard of Endowment, so Nightblood being a sword animated from breath makes Nightblood a sword which is also a shard. In Warbreaker Nightblood works slightly differently from shardblades - leaves blackened wounds, not burnt out eyes. But that could be just because of the way he was made, or because he's from a different shard of Adonalsium. Nightblood probably also has a big part to play in this. He was made to 'destroy evil' and handily, we've got Odium, which is just about as evil as Ruin.
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# ¿ Mar 9, 2014 21:51 |
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Furious Lobster posted:Yes, that's quite true and in a culture that glorifies war, this trait would have gone far in making his previous life very enjoyable. It sounds like at the time he enjoyed it, but looking back he thinks 'holy crap I was a dick'.
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# ¿ Mar 10, 2014 22:19 |
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nucleicmaxid posted:Don't forget that we have literally no idea what happened with his wife. And neither does he.
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# ¿ Mar 10, 2014 22:29 |
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api call girl posted:
The nightmother (Cultivation?) is out there somewhere, and Shinovar seems like the ideal home for Cultivation. I wonder how much power she has to protect against the everstorm?
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# ¿ Mar 11, 2014 04:13 |
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Being immortal is a pretty good way to go insane, even without the torture. I'm sure the heralds have seen so many things, even forgotten so much, that they're no longer as sane as most mortals. It makes you wonder how sane Hoid is...
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# ¿ Mar 11, 2014 20:01 |
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api call girl posted:*handwaves* it'll still pretty much cut stone, eat/burn souls, probably get powered off Stormlight which won't be a problem if Szeth is a Surgebinder now without the need of an Honorblade ... it just won't vanish and resummon like one. *handwaves* Most shardblades aren't created with the single command 'DESTROY EVIL', though
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# ¿ Mar 11, 2014 23:50 |
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Hopeford posted:Holy poo poo, it's like Hoid is treating magic systems like they are Pokemon. And hopefully not being controlled by twitch...
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# ¿ Mar 12, 2014 04:02 |
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Narmi posted:Yeah, after she washes up on the frostlands she's about to go over (to make a fire I think), and we see that land in Roshar is not necessarily land in Shadesmar, but I never knew that the entire continent was like a cut-out of the other. I had assumed from WoK that Shadesmar was all just a sea of balls. Which confused me a little when they started hinting at Spren cities and societies and all that. I guess I just assumed they were under the sea of balls, floating on it, or there were several different 'interpretations' of Shadesmar.
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# ¿ Mar 12, 2014 19:55 |
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I'm re-reading Warbreaker, and when Siri starts to teach Susebron to read, the first letter of the first word she ever teaches him is 'shash'. Dangerous...
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# ¿ Mar 15, 2014 21:17 |
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MildShow posted:The first set of annotations for Alloy of Law went up earlier today. They cover chapters 2-10, but not 1 or the prologue, for some reason. One thing I picked out from this: quote:At this point, he’s working hard to discover what’s going on with the other Shards and to keep another disaster from coming Scadrial’s way. quote:[Harmony] sees his primary role being to encourage people to be better, to keep an eye on the other Shards, and to make sure the world keeps working as it should. It looks like Harmony is looking outwards to see whats going on with the other shards. That could well mean that he has agents on Roshar, although I don't think Sanderson has said how much time has passed since the events of Mistborn/Hero of Ages and the Way of Kings. It could be millenia for all we know, since one form or another of immortality is not uncommon in the Cosmere. If Way of Kings is right after mistborn Harmony might too be busy rebuilding Scadrial to bother with what Odium is up to.
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# ¿ Mar 16, 2014 07:49 |
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Cicero posted:Also his shardblade is the closest one to a katana in design, I think. Also windrunners have a pretty anime style of fighting/generally going about their business.
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# ¿ Mar 18, 2014 02:14 |
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I don't have a problem with it seeming a bit anime. There are way worse things than a bit of over the top action scenes and flashy magic. At least we don't have to read through chapter upon chapter of characters being creepy towards women, or read characters deliberately written to be repulsive, or have the authors opinion on social policies/obamacare shoved down our throats every page. I guess my point is, this doesn't ruin the book or make it unreadable.
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# ¿ Mar 18, 2014 03:33 |
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Hopeford posted:Until this is proven to be false, I'll forever be convinced that the funky stone throwing game is like Calvinball and there are no actual rules to it. The rules appear to be, he who gives the least fucks gets the most points Actually, there is a question to ask at a book signing. Are there rules for the ball game Lightsong plays in Warbreaker, and what are they?
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# ¿ Mar 18, 2014 20:41 |
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Cicero posted:
From there: quote:The Parshendi appear to have a strongly developed sense of honor in battle, ignoring the wounded and vulnerable to attack the most dangerous foes.
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# ¿ Mar 18, 2014 22:49 |
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404GoonNotFound posted:Come on, it's Lift. How is this even a question? Lift vs Wit rap battle. Word. Someone was looking for questions to ask at a signing. Maybe we need a ruling on the rap controversy.
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2014 04:34 |
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Tunicate posted:Yeah. It's called Ashyn. The third planet in the system is Braize, where Odium hangs out. So when the heralds come back from there (aka Hell) for the next desolation, you could say that they've been... braised.
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2014 06:35 |
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NecroMonster posted:I finished WoR and now I'm going to post a couple of things/observations/crazy theories for people to make fun of! Re: 3. I always thought the fact that the highstorms brought crem/nutrients implied that they are at least partially of Cultivation. Then again, Dalinars visions from Honor also came via Highstorm, as does stormlight, so my personal understanding was that highstorms are something like the Mists on Scadrial - they are part of the body of Honor and Cultivation (and Odium might even be mixed in there too). As seen on Scadrial, shards of Adonalsium were once part of a whole and so can be re-combined. Preservation and Ruin were basically opposites and were combined to create a more balanced whole. In the same way, I see Odium and Honor as being more or less opposites. Cultivation would reinforce Honor, and might curb the destructive tendency of Odium. I'd like to see Harmony take up Cultivations shard, as that would increase the creative power of Harmony. Maybe Odium has shattered Cultivation, but Odium itself has also been broken apart. There might be some less 'evil' combinations of Odium/Cultivation floating around in the form of Spren, as there are spren which are of Honor/Cultivation. A combination of Honor/Odium might be very dangerous - if Cultivation were thrown in it might be much safer to handle.
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2014 23:01 |
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Habibi posted:What do you mean? I thought this too, and it implies that Harmony is not 'balanced', as it is a combination of keeping things the same (Preservation) and destruction (Ruin). Cultivation/Ruin would more or less cancel out and make something very much like a dynamic Preservation.
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# ¿ Mar 20, 2014 07:09 |
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Quantum Toast posted:He's said that Roshar has "thirty magic systems... depending on how you count them", so it sounds like he's talking about 10 Surges x 3 Shards, with no combinations. Plus necromancy AKA Bloodsealing.
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# ¿ Mar 20, 2014 22:45 |
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syphon posted:Regarding Jasnah, this was revealed early on, and then she actually referenced later while talking to Shallan. Apparently her spren's name is 'Ivory' and he's a little man in a tux who stands on her hand. I don't remember the details, but Shallan caught a glimpse of him once, and Jasnah later started telling Shallan about him, which upset him. Apparently he's still touchy about the Radiants' betrayal. He also has a sword, doesn't he? I think he might be able to change size, but can't remember where I read that
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# ¿ Mar 21, 2014 04:23 |
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Thanks a lot you guys for mentioning Warbreaker and it's tie in with WoR. I spent last night up until 2 am going through the avalanche of the last 80 pages of the book. You all suck. I just read Elantris, got the last copy the library had which was falling apart in the spine. Then the annual library book sale was the other day, and I found TWO copies in much better condition being sold, which were ex-library copies. For some reason the library had decided to keep the falling apart one and sell the good ones. WTF, library? Elantris is good, I was keeping my eyes open for Hoid/Wit in disguise and it turns out he was straight up named Hoid, and I was looking for something more subtle.
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# ¿ Mar 21, 2014 21:05 |
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HaitianDivorce posted:Uhhh so I picked up Mistborn a while back and now that I'm about a quarter of the way through I've just got to ask... Does it get better? It has been a while since I read it, and I'll probably have to re-read it. Many of the minor characters get more depth/screentime by the second+third book. Vin stays on as the major character, but you get more of Sazed and co.
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# ¿ Mar 23, 2014 05:46 |
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Just finished Elantris and it was certainly his first book. A lot of things just sort of happened and I don't know that Raoden's solving the puzzle of the shoad was ever really earned so much as it had to happen for plot progression. Overall I enjoyed, as I do all of Sanderson's work, but it definitely left something to be desired. Not to mention it was a difficult to get through the early parts of the book just based on all the nothing that was happening. What I don't quite get is that Odium shattered Devotion (the shard responsible for Elantris and the AonDor) ~10 years before the events of Elantris, which caused the Reod and the chasm opening up. How is it that Raoden solving the puzzle brings the AonDor back to full strength? Or was the Reod just a side effect of Odium killing the shardholder/shattering the shard and the magic never really was weakened?
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# ¿ Mar 23, 2014 21:22 |
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mossyfisk posted:Odium smashes up the local shard way before the events of Elantris. The earthquake was unrelated. Oh okay, I just assumed. I guess that also explains why the shardbearers don't play any part at all in the local mythology.
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# ¿ Mar 23, 2014 21:49 |
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NecroMonster posted:Yeah Odium isn't just killing shardholders, he is smashing the very shards themselves into little bitty pieces, preventing them from ever being claimed in that fashion again. Until Hoid finds the shardholder 'Mending' and goes around fixing them all up again.
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# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 00:06 |
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Dravs posted:Edit2: Hmm, is it possible that the lake that Rock refers to is Cultivations shardpool? We have seen shardpools in Elantris (the one they submerge Elantrians into if the pain becomes too much) and the Well of Ascension on Scadrial was preservations shardpool. This could be Cultivations shardpool that holds most of Cultivations power. Maybe she put her consciousness in it (as Preservation did) and what is left become the Nightmother? If its the purelake you're talking about, that has apparently got genuine magical fish in it, so I really wouldn't be surprised. It is also MASSIVE.
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# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 11:20 |
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Dravs posted:Well if the Highstorm is to Honour, what the mists were the Preservation, then possibly the Purelake belongs to another Shardholder? We know from Mistborn that if 2 shardholders come into contact it causes them immense pain. Is that true of all shardholders, though? Or just Ruin/Preservation which are opposed? Would something completely different like Devotion react the same way to Preservation?
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# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 21:05 |
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treeboy posted:
Not really spoiler because its Warbreaker stuff but oh well -only 1000 breath was used to awaken Nightblood, but I believe the sage who did it (Sashara) had thousands more breath because of the innate awakening abilities a massive amount of breath gives you. Possibly not 50,000+ (That is how much Susebron has, and a large amount of that was accumulated after Vasher gave the first god king the breath). I don't think any of the original sages had as much breath as Susebron does.
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# ¿ Mar 25, 2014 00:22 |
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Dravs posted:Regarding that thread, RAFO means read and find out, and seems to be a bit of a meme on that forum, also the Sanderson fans are starting to refer to themselves as Sharders. Its a thing that Brandon Sanderson says a lot at questions, effectively 'no comment'. I think he may have got it through Wheel of Time. Fake Edit: It looks like it is something a few fantasy authors do.
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# ¿ Mar 25, 2014 19:12 |
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He should just channel all the Ruin energy to Ironeyes and let Ironeyes go around kicking rear end. I mean, he's already the mythological figure of death, why not Death and Ruin?
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# ¿ Mar 26, 2014 05:18 |
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Tunicate posted:Well, I assume that's how he keeps having atium to keep the immortality loop going. I think a lot of his atium is stuff he got before Harmony. After the end of book 3 he singlehandedly had the most Atium in the world. Still, he clearly talks to Harmony so I don't see why he wouldn't get an allowance of atium.
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# ¿ Mar 26, 2014 09:05 |
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JagGator posted:Batteries are basically just two types of metal sharing electrons with each other. Perhaps having a coppermind instead of regular copper results in some sort of super battery. Forget pewter, have any combination of 2 Steelshots/Lurchers pushing/pulling a big magnet through some coiled wires. Suddenly, electricity! Could also be done with a iron feruchemist increasing/decreasing weight. (get heavy- push down piston. get light - piston goes up).
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# ¿ Mar 26, 2014 20:45 |
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Tunicate posted:Or just have a... whatever metal is heat. Brass? Whatever. Use him as one side of a thermocouple. Also, the feruchemists who can store breath and food are natures astronauts. The iron would be pretty efficient, but I get the feeling they'd 'use' more stored weight than they gained as the piston goes up. But you know, in shifts it would be fine. And also, as astronauts iron feruchemists would have some pretty weird/useful zero gravity interactions. Especially if they could also pull on metal to stop them flying away from the space station/ship.
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# ¿ Mar 26, 2014 23:07 |
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I liked the bits where Pattern started experimenting with sarcasm.
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# ¿ Apr 2, 2014 23:23 |
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# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 23:18 |
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Tunicate posted:The difference is Knight Radiant dies? Spren is sad, but gets over it. Knight Radiant breaks his oaths? Spren goes in a coma, but can come back if the guy reforms. Knight Radiant breaks his oath and dies? Well poo poo son, your spren's been lobotomized, no more knight radiants for that spren So Honor was still alive, but died sometime before now and after the last desolation. If the Heralds actually have some connection to Odium (they hang out on Braize, so maybe the connection he has to them is stronger than they thought), maybe their abandoning the Oathpact weakened Honor and allowed Odium to kill him. The shards of Odium are still present as those big evil spren that cause the Thrill and Death Rattles. I hope that in the next few books we see some character development for Nightblood. He really wants to destroy some evil, and has very little idea of what evil actually is. I think he needs a bit of reprogramming/memory expansion/experience and I really hope he gets that through the inevitable exposure to parts of Honor/Odium/Cultivation.
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# ¿ Apr 4, 2014 00:02 |