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Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

ConfusedUs posted:

Dalinar, I think, saluting the Parshendi shardbearer (who turns out to be Eshonai in book 2).

Actually if you click zoom you can see it's someone with a spear, tattered clothes and a shield on their back. So I think it's Dalinar saluting Kaladin but I dont remember that scene in the book.

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Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Barreft posted:

He's admitted publicly he's not comfortable with sex stuff, but I don't think it takes away from his books any.

Well poo poo, who is comfortable with sex scenes in their sword and sorcery epic fantasy books? So many of them are cringe-worthy and are basically an attempted favorable rendition of the authors specific fetishes.

We have glistening manhoods and rough manly sex from G.R.R Martin, torture bondage insanity from Terry Goodkind, spanking and polygamy from Robert Jordan and hell I don't even know what Scott Bakker's issue is, surreal sex?

Patrick Rothfuss had some odd fairy sex tutorial thing for the hero which seems to hint at an experienced older lady fetish too.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Portable Staplefrog posted:

I tried to start the first Lightbringer a while ago and lost interest early on. Is there a certain point when it gets good or is it just not for me?

Yeah after about half-way things really pick up and the plot goes from kinda boring to interesting. Second book is way better than the first overall too. It's worth carrying on if you like epic fantasy.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Greg Jackson posted:

e: I don't think we're required to use spoiler tags, everyone is assumed to have read the novels

According to the rules you are required to spoiler WoR for at least 3 more days so it has been exactly 6 months since release. It's probably polite to do it for far longer since this is technically a multi-series thread. Some people coming here for Mistborn discussion probably shouldn't have Stormlight ruined for them or vice versa.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Honestly I don't notice any difference between Sanderson's supposed YA books and his supposed non-YA books. There's no sex and limited swearing either way.

Steelheart had a baby get murdered in its mothers arms by an insane super villain in the first chapter and plenty of violence throughout. It's not really "immature" compared to Mistborn or Stormlight.

I think the Young Adult label is just marketing nonsense.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

It's a magic book, it takes an outlandish language you won't understand and translates it to something you understand.

Like the TARDIS.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Ithaqua posted:

Meanwhile, I find the characters that use contemporary English expressions to be far more jarring. Like that character that used the word "awesome" constantly. That was so bad that when the preview chapter was posted, I was sure it was an early draft and the language would be fixed later.

There's a balance between "talks in a ridiculous made-up language" and "talks like a 15 year old kid from Nebraska".

No she was saying something non-English because it is a fantasy universe with no Earth and isolated planets except for a handful of intrepid explorers. The odds that it spontaneously evolved a language exactly the same as English (and exactly the same as the mistborn planet and every single other planet in the cosmere) are astronomical.

The author helpfully translated it to the nearest Earth English equivalent.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Ithaqua posted:

Including the third-person narrative?



And so on.

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I get what he was going for here, it just doesn't work for me.

Those aren't third person really, those are her thoughts.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Immortan posted:

I'm thinking about picking up the Stormlight Archive series and I just want to know if its too "light hearted" like Harry Potter or more "gritty" like Asofai? Looking for more of the latter, personally. TIA!

Totally subjective rating chart by me:

Completely non-serious <--------------------Light-hearted--------------------Bit Gritty--------------------Overly Gritty--------------------> Torture Porn

(Discworld) (Harry Potter) (Belgariad/Mallorean) (Lord of the Rings) (Kingkiller Chronicles) (Gentleman Bastards) (Stormlight Archives) (Wheel of Time) (Mistborn) (The First Law) (Prince of Nothing) (Malazan) (A Song of Ice and Fire) (A Land Fit for Heroes)

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

syphon posted:

Am I reading this correctly, in that you're ranking Gentleman Bastards (which contains a description of how young red-headed girls are cut open and then raped to death for supposed curative properties) as LESS gritty than Stormlight, WoT, and Mistborn?

Don't get me wrong, I think the Gentleman Bastards (well, the first book really) is the best fantasy I've ever read, but I'd bump it a few notches over on your scale there!

I haven't actually re-read it in a long time and I've only read the first one and I've forgotten most of it.

Edit: And now that you mention it I vaguely recall some of the grittiness and I'd totally rate it probably before or after The First Law series. Ish.

Xachariah fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jun 24, 2015

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Modest Mouse cover band posted:

While we're talking about different book series - is the Malazan series a good read? I false started book 1 and I'm debating picking it up again.

Depends, how epic do you like things?

In Malazan we're talking hundreds of thousands of years of history. There are multiple realms of existence, many of them aspected and responsible for the powerful magic. A whole pantheon of literal gods who regularly try to gently caress each other over. Ancient elder races, which include the undead neanderthals, sardonic ice trolls, colour coded elven dragon shapeshifters, multi-jointed alabaster ninjas and genetically modified technologically advanced space dinosaurs. A whole bunch of different continents. A heck of a lot of battles, wars and epic fights. It can go from horror to comedy to tragedy seamlessly, with liberal doses of philosophical musing on power or existence. It's undoubtedly the most epic finished fantasy series I've read.

Yeah there's a big cast and some weird names, but I never really had any issue following along, as long as I didn't take a big break partway through. It can be tough to get going but I'd advise that you just keep forging ahead in spite of any confusion, the running start is part of the atmosphere. You get a better idea of what is going on later in the series and if you ever read the first book again with that knowledge then it's incredible how much you missed or didn't realise was important.

I'd recommend at least reading to the second or third books in the series anyway. The second and third books are better than the first and are more representative of the latter part of the series.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Problem with that bundle for me is... uh...



I wanted cheap sanderson novellas. :(

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Benson Cunningham posted:

It's almost like instead of buying the entire pack, he can just go buy the individual book and save money anyway.

It's almost like that.

No wait, it's that. That's it.

It ain't cheaper, that's the $1 tier and it costs approx $2.50 for Emperor's Soul alone on kindle. :colbert:

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Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

Infinite Karma posted:

Related to Dalinar's repeated instruction to Unite them. - He kept assuming different things, like uniting the Alethi, then uniting the humans, and then considering uniting the humans with the parsh. And then a subtext of uniting humans and spren. But when he confronts Odium, did anyone else get the impression that he was supposed to be uniting the splinters of Honor, and that's his real task?

I think that's unreliable narrator stuff. The humans not from Roshar, like the lighthouse keeper, are described as looking like Shin. I think they're supposed to just look Anglo- , rather than the East Asian traits of the Alethi, and the Shin are the examples that Rosharans know.

It's funny but in spite of all the pseudo-references to Shin as pretty much being the only ones without epicanthic folds I could never shake my imagination of the books having Jet Li as Sveth. Started with that whole white clothes and wire fu in TWoK.

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