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THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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We had one of these a few months back and still remains the same: Anything by Ross McKeon of Yahoo's NHL section is utter loving trash. It bothers me so much that someone like that gets a job. He can't write, he can't analyze... I don't know what he does.

Greg Wyshynski has a really nice blog though.

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THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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I still read deadspin a lot, but yeah, it's gone down. It's always been more entertainment than actual news, but the balance definitely has gone much more TMZ-ish lately. I don't particular care since I really don't go there expecting hard hitting poo poo.

Magary makes me laugh like hell though.

For good journalists, I used to like Adrian Wojnarowski when he did general columns for The Bergen Record. He actually came and spoke with my class for a couple of hours. Very cool dude. Don't really read him as much on yahoo because I don't care for basketball too much.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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This is on the ugly side of things: Plagiarism!

Long story short: Pension Plan Puppets, which SAS poster Chemmy contributes to, translated a quote in a foreign hockey magazine about a Maple Leafs player. The Toronto Sun picked up these translations almost verbatim (see last link) and attributed it to the original source instead of the blog. Check for yourself.

The Sun's ripoff: http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2010/08/19/15081386.html

PPP's: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/8/18/1628909/frantisek-kaberle-sr-i-dont

The aftermath:

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/8/20/1633273/if-imitation-is-the-most-sincere#storyjump
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/8/20/1633616/the-toronto-sun-classy#44832286

A handy little graph to illustrate just how blatant it was:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=18oNfUJkMSymWyuaxVzkGEIvhSBIPSiQoKGs3XPFLkgM

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Well I knew someone would bite at Portis' comments about the Mexican whore reporter incident, and Dan Wetzel took the bait. I usually like him, but he's on the high horse here alright.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtBZveI1RsM_MEzv9I2P_O5DubYF?slug=dw-portiscomments091410

I don't even get the outrage. All he said is that yes, there is sexual tension in a locker room with female reporters and 53 giant black dongs. He didn't say, hell yeah I slap bitches asses all the time and we all should.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Captain Charisma posted:

Well, at least find better poo poo. Dump things like THE GREAT SUBWAY RACE, Zales Scoreboard Dude, and YMCA. The fan trivia and sausage races and stuff are good. At least the Yankees got rid of Cotton Eyed Joey.

Oh yeah also get rid of God Bless America

Who doesn't like the subway race to Yankee you goddamn pinko

Orgophlax posted:

True, but it'd really be no more awkward than if they happened to focus on a brother & sister.

I'd just like to say that Tim Panaccio from CSNPhilly.com is a horrible reporter and I can't stand that I have to read his poo poo to get info about the Flyers. His writing (and even when he's on TV for Daily News Live) comes off as he knows everything and everyone should just accept whatever he says because he's been doing it for so long.

I am 100% sure that all the worst sports writers get stuck in hockey man. Fuckin' Brooksie. Maybe he's not so much on the bad side, but more just of a cockbag than anything... Ross McKeon?? Ughhhh

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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No Safe Word posted:

I thought this was originally in this thread but it was in the NFL N/V thread. Definitely deserves to be here though:

"Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs?"
(thanks japtor)

Chock full of amazing sports journalism and scientific resesarch.

I was gonna say, there has to be non-baseball stupidity out there, and this satisfies my request! Lordy!

This guy is paid by the SFGate?? I know it's a blog and it says on the side that it's not edited by the staff, but good lord, are they reading what's being churned out??

THE MACHO MAN fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Sep 22, 2010

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Quizero posted:

Steve Rushin lives 4 houses down my street. He's a pretty cool dude. That article honestly doesn't seem that horrible, its just typical sportswriting really.

Yeah, I get much more annoyed when people say idiotic things that have no backing at all, like the black QB one on this page, or people saying Vick has come of age after a game against the Lions, and expect him to continue playing wildly above his career averages all season

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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What????? When the hell did the WaPo and BR agree to share content. Holy loving poo poo.

That Cowher thing is hilarious.

I like Woj. Sometimes hit or miss on his columns, but overall a solid writer. I remember reading him as a kid when he was at the Bergen Record. He came and spoke with my journalism class in college. Nice dude.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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http://deadspin.com/5715741/this-may-or-may-not-be-rex-ryans-wife-making-foot+fetish-videos

So this is interesting to say the least... and it looks exactly like her to a T and sure as poo poo sounds like Sexy Rexy.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Jason Whitlock is a moron (surprise)

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/chicago-bears-qb-jay-cutler-might-have-quit-way-before-sunday-012711

this is him backtracking from calling Cutler a quitter

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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It's a shame, because everyone now and then something good will pop up on there. It's always just at the bottom of a heaping pile of poo poo. Unless they start straight up removing the tons of lovely writers, it's always gonna have that stigma

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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leokitty posted:

Some of those content partnerships have already ended because of the quality of the content. If you look on WaPo you'll notice the box isn't there anymore.

Thank god.

I can't believe the brass there really wanted to use those morons. I'm sure the beat guys for whatever sport there know of the quality bloggers. Why not just track them down instead if you really need to fill space on the cheap?

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Crazy Ted posted:

So more Deadspin chat: Is there any specific reason why they've written up two or three items this week talking about those four dudes who hadn't missed going to a Super Bowl in person like they were the worst humans on earth? I really, really did not understand that.

Eh, =I guess it fits it with the media as a whole and the angle of anything football related gets talked about in the week leading up to the game.

I really doubt gawker is as open to libel as everyone thinks. Denton and AJ are twats, but they aren't dumb. I'd imagine those dudes have a pretty drat good legal counsel on hand for these stories.

Plus, for gossip internet rag like that, any libel suit would probably drive people to the site in droves, so it's not as if it would be as crippling as if the NYT got hit with a big one

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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chutwig posted:

Keep in mind that Gawker's legal counsel is some British woman who gave that Gizmodo editor every single wrong piece of advice she could have given in regards to the iPhone 4 prototype that the editor bought off somebody. Regardless of whose side you were on in that case, she gave pretty bad legal advice and was clearly unaware of a number of California state statutes, so I wouldn't necessarily assume that Gawker's aware of where the legal boundaries could fall.

Hmm that is true...

Have any of you guys been on the site since they redid the layout?? gently caress, it sucks.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Captain Charisma posted:

Mark Sanchez's homeland is Mexico as much as my homeland is France

So you're a SOCIALIST? :stare:

I am kind of torn. It sucks the dumb girl's life is gonna be ruined because she's a stupid kid even if she did it to herself, but at the same time, why's it 'news' in the TMZ/gossipy sense when a another star athlete gets a new girl, but this shouldn't be? I personally don't care about that poo poo normally, but the bar is already set.

The Deadspin vs Jets thing on the headline is so loving retarded. I don't get why the company is inserting itself in there.

also, it was a pre-SB rerun, but Peter King was on Real Sports for a profile. He is such a dork. They touched on how much he is read, and how much people hate him at the same time. They also had him reading stuff on twitter, and he read in the most dorky voice possible some guy's tweet about how he's smoking a blunt and reading the MMQB. He gave the tackiest old white man response too, ending with dude or something.

The rest of the show was interesting though. They profiled NFLers who pissed away millions, and then had a story about the rise of the 300lbs+ linemen. I didn't know Norman Hand died :smith:

THE MACHO MAN fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Feb 10, 2011

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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ryborg posted:

Hey let's combine everything terrible that's been mentioned on this page in one column

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/348986-rick-reilly-should-apologize-to-me

hahhaha wow

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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The broken bones posted:

A-Rod really doesn't get enough credit for how awesome of a troll he is. He literally stepped on a mound one time and the pitcher lost his poo poo.

Where's that shooing away gif?

Yeah, that was really only embarrassing for the whiny pitcher

the centaur thing is so, so hilarious though

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Badfinger posted:

I don't know if people consider it "good" writing or not, but I really enjoyed the top article there "I was Teenage Hockey Message Board Jailbait". Here's hoping it turns out well for her.

Was this worth the time?? I remember starting it but stopping because I knew I didn't have the time to finish it on my lunch.

ForbiddenWonder posted:

http://www.fanhouse.com/2011/02/18/boy-who-refused-to-wrestle-a-girl-might-end-up-wrestling-history/

Holy poo poo this is one of the worst articles i've ever read. A 15 year old not wanting to wrestle a girl due to religious beliefs is apparently comparable to a grown man being a racist.

His religious beliefs were that he'd look like an idiot if he lost and that it would be viewed as a freebie if he won. It's a trained competitor who qualified for states, not a random girl of the street. Piledrive her skull into pieces like you would for anyone else.

It's a bit of a stretch to compare it in the way they did for that article though

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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leokitty posted:

Don't link to BR all they care about is pageviews.

We link to deadspin all the time here though and they're quite shameless about that


but yeah, BR is obviously way worse and that was so terribly stupid

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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There's been a lot of dumb poo poo in this thread, but that column is probably the first that made me actually say holy poo poo. How loving dumb do you have to be to write that????

The only logical thing I can think of is that it was posted at 3:30 am and he was loving hammered himself. Jesus gently caress.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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swizz posted:

John Steigerwald. That's the answer. We did it guys, we found him. It's generally guileless to draw analogies from politics to sports but he does it in such a contemptible and sophomoric way that the only thing I can say is that he is truly The Worst Sports Journalist and I can't see anyone taking that mantle from him.

drat, it's like he's trolling. Here's a column entitled "Dead Babies $30" (no colon)

:stare:
:stare:
:stare:
:stare:
I rescind my comment from the previous page.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Yes, Hockey Inside/Out is the Canadiens-focused website for the largest English language newspaper in Montreal.

Background: Chara tried to murder a guy on the Canadiens or something and then didn't even get a suspension!!! and the guy he tried to murder is still injured, and then the Bruins played like rear end in the playoffs and Chara got the pooping flu or something like that and now lots of dumb poo poo Montreal fans are talking about KARMA and Divine Retribution.

HAHA. I thought that was a blog. poo poo.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

It is a blog, to be fair. They don't let Ole Man Boone near the print edition. But it's still a blog run by the Gazette and the blog carries all their other content and stuff, so it's pretty official.

edit: god drat how fuckin dumb can you be online these days stieggy
yeah, but that affiliation gives the thing enough legitimacy that that thing should have never appeared! It was like reading some kind of retarded PensBlog post.


Groucho Marxist posted:

The Steig kind of, sort of apologizes (not really)

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/steigstory/04-17-2011-steigerwald-column


It's our fault for linking to it!

So not only did he pretty much say his audience is a bunch of assholes and retards, he admitted that he does poo poo to get hits. Sweet!

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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morestuff posted:

I think ESPN catches more flak than they sometimes deserve, but this is seriously goddamn ridiculous placement for what is probably the biggest sports story of the year:



I know they don't wanna shine up their rivals and generate more hits for them, but goddamn. ESPN really does not give a gently caress about a sport or news item unless it's in their wheelhouse or published by them

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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sportsgenius86 posted:

If it's on deadspin and it's not by Greg Howard, it's not worth reading.

People actually like his writing?? Jeez. Their soccer coverage is awful

I still can't believe what a mess that whole Conde Nast thing is. That was such a gross and pointless story even by Gawker standards. I am pretty surprised the writer didn't 'resign' as well.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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unless they bargained for that right wouldn't that mean poo poo?

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Sash! posted:

I'm baffled how anyone could possibly think "public figure" even applied. Apparently the definition being used is "appears in public from time to time," under which we're all public figures.

yeah apparently now public figure is anyone in an upper management position at any kind of business. Though the boner who wrote that tried to play up his brother's past connections to the government

but I mean let's be real it's clear as day that it was a hit piece on a business rival since Reddit is a subsidiary of Conde Nast. The proof is in the headline: how does a random no-name executive get mentioned by name while the porn star (a far more public figure) isn't? Forget ethics, that's basic journalism stuff

They could have published the same story without the disaster if they just went '(Porn star), a crazy rear end person, is trying to extort an unnamed business exec' and framed it that way.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Lockback posted:

Why would it be a hit on a rival if the business was the one who decided to pull it? Wouldn't the business be supportive of it if that was the motivation?

It was Denton that ultimately yanked it, so it's the owner/publisher.

But just because its not supported by the business side doesn't mean that it's not a hit piece on a business rival. All that means is Denton recognizes how unethical, petty, and damaging (to editorial and to advertising) that story was.

Obviously we will never know whose idea it was for that and the discussion that took place, but it's absolutely not a coincidence that Gawker has published a mountain articles about how bad Reddit is in the past month, and then did that. They pull a massive amount of content from reddit and it's in their best interest to keep people from wanting to go to reddit. Editorial just masks this under the guise of social justice about redditors being racist.

DJExile posted:

A hit piece is kind of silly too because you really can't do any more damage to Reddit than they already do to themselves. This is the place that gave birth to MRAs and actively defended the posting of child porn, and is now apparently collapsing in on itself.

of course you can damage a rivals brand, even reddit. Even with all of that poo poo the site still has a ton of viewers and posters.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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"Make this into an advertising company then! Say what it really is! It’s not a place for journalism!"

A quote from a gawker writer who used to work at the NYT. Any time anyone in that site talks about journalism I kind of die a little bit

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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he's kind of annoying but at the same time I kind of enjoy him. Considering the success of grantland and 30:30 I think that's an awesome landing spot for him.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Spoeank posted:

Reminder that they tried to jerk off in everyone's faces about this:

http://gawker.com/a-judge-told-us-to-take-down-our-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-po-481328088

"And Campbell's order requiring us to take down not only a very brief, highly edited video excerpt from a 30-minute Hulk Hogan loving session but also a lengthy written account from someone who had watched the entirety of that loving session, is risible and contemptuous of centuries of First Amendment jurisprudence.

Campbell's grasp on the ramifications of that jurisprudence, such as it is, can be gleaned from a moment in the transcript of yesterday's hearing wherein she seemed to fail to understand the basic First Amendment principle that "speech" includes forms of communication beyond word-sounds coming out of people's mouths."

Better cut it with those $10 words, Gawker. You're gonna need the cash.

man, this couldn't happen to a bigger group of shitheads.

People actually liked Burneko?? He was at least tolerable with the food stuff. The wanna be political writing was awful

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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MourningView posted:

Nah it's funny

I felt he had a few good lines here and there, but was better suited to twitter than actual stories. But that would sum up how I feel about almost everyone on there.

I always liked Magary, and I definitely agree about his lifestyle writing vs just dicking around with his funbag. Howard and Haisley are awful - I have no idea how Howard ended up at the Times.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Spoeank posted:

Pro-click if you think A.J. Daulerio is a poo poo bag (starts at :420: )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pr8S44o6N4

hahahahaha what a goddamned idiot. I read that and wanted to see the video - it's even worse than I imagined.

did they have the verdict and reactions being taped as well??

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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DJExile posted:

It's likely an issue for a lot of women's sports,the more I think about it. International soccer is basically the US, Germany, France and Brazil (maaaybe Japan) and then an enormous gap to the next level. Women's hockey might as well be just the US and Canada right now.

Rousey's a hell of a fighter, I don't think anyone would disagree with that, but the criticism of the depth of the rest of the womens divisions was pretty legitimate. Granted, that's not Rousey's fault.

yeah, most women's sports are like this for fairly obvious reasons. As noted, women's tennis also suffers from having a fairly shallow pool when compared with the men. Not nearly as bad as hockey, fighting, basketball, soccer, etc, and Serena is a legit stud, but it is an entirely fair criticism.

That being said, I thought it was pretty clear his argument was that the dominance makes an already fringe sport even more unwatchable due to the lack of talent across the board, not that UConn should start sucking or anything. Geno is also an insufferable moron. This is like Gawker vs Hogan levels of poo poo vs poo poo.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Besides a couple writers, deadspin had been trending pretty bad for a long while now, but this whole g/o fiasco has been a disaster in every way. Good for them for resigning together and sticking it to those shitheads.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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habeasdorkus posted:

Also, now there's one less place to find Ray Ratto's writing! Goddamnit.

Well I guess I am not the only one who was confused why people like Ray Ratto's writing

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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Albino Squirrel posted:

If you're not a Hockey Thread Person, exhibit #3495 of Why We Need Deadspin is that currently the hockey old boys club is disintegrating.

It started when Maple Leafs coach Mike Babcock got fired shortly after the Leafs lost yet another game, in part due to this insane save: https://images.app.goo.gl/FG3EEaReaDPuzogw6

Now, normally when a coach gets fired the team looks like they're at a funeral for a while. The Leafs responded by basically saying 'gently caress it, hockey is fun again' and winning. Nobody has come forward to say what a great coach Babcock was, and in fact a whole bunch of stories of what a sour rear end in a top hat he is have been coming out.

But! Former player Akim Aliu disclosed that one of Babcock's proteges, Bill Peters, is not only a sour rear end in a top hat but a racist one! https://twitter.com/Dreamer_Aliu78/status/1199119380774359045?s=19

Peters is 'being investigated' by the Calgary Flames, so that's likely two head coaches down. The Athletic is doing some OK reporting on this, but it could use Petchesky snarking about hockey.

And also! Reformed Hockey rear end in a top hat Daniel Carcillo is now spilling dirt on the Sutters, a family of Alberta rednecks who are hockey royalty: https://twitter.com/CarBombBoom13/status/1199497677802749953?s=19

And I'm reduced to trawling Twitter to find out how hockey is finally purging itself of the good old boys that have plagued it for too long.

You can literally go to this forum's hockey thread, reddit, or any content aggregator or media outlet if you're just looking for a summary of tweets which is all deadspin would have done about this; no one would have actually talked to deadspin even if they reached out. As you said the Atlantic has been doing a good job on covering this whole situation. Outside of one or two very prominent stories, the only person who consistently did real deal investigative journalism in the sports world was Diana Moskovitz and her beat was mostly sexual assault and gender issues. When the site started shifting how they cover things 5+ years ago they needed more people like her and less bloggers. Honestly, Diana and Dom are the only two writers whose work I truly miss there.

Like you said the Atlantic has been doing a good job of covering this (and basically everything they cover, they're worth the money).

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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MourningView posted:

Between this and all their NCAA mall cop bullshit Yahoo is quietly the absolute worst college sports site on the internet


Their college coverage is all boot licking bullshit

Their pro sports coverage is also universally awful too. Puck daddy at least used to be somewhat interesting for a bit when Wysh was still there but it’s just so bad now.

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

So, for everyone that was worried about SI being gutted after the Mavening:

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1201299977789722624

You have every reason to be

sad but SI had been a turd for years by that point

their website gave yahoo a run for worst UI

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Nov 15, 2007

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Patrick Spens posted:

The law was always going to gently caress over freelancers. The question whether turning some of those gigs into actual jobs was worth the rest of them going away.

Absolutely not, the law is terribly thought out

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