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Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

haljordan posted:

I really like The Atlantic (I've had a subscription for several years) but holy lord they should stay away from sports:

This is some surprisingly awful poo poo. You kinda expect it when Rovell or Plaschke or someone similar puts out garbage, but not The Atlantic. This reads more like a somewhat subtle attempt to undermine the accomplishments of female athletes than anything else.

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Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

chunkles posted:

I was actually reading the twitters of Zach Lowe and that guy from Sacramento who is now a national reporter whose name I forget and they both got really crusty with random guys on twitter insulting them. It's weird seeing grown men do that.

It is weird and completely dumb but, as relentlessly lovely as people can get online, I'm surprised that crustiness doesn't come out more.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

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Kevin Ware has a wild backstory. His recruitment to UCF led, in part, to their probation. [Link removed]

Not journalism per se, but Pete Thamel tweeted a two year-old story he wrote about Kevin Ware's illegal recruitment by UCF while Ware was still writhing in pain on the hardwood. It was a cynical grab for clicks and attention at the worst possible moment.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

stuart scott irl posted:

USAToday is launching a new "social sports site" called For The Win oh my god I can't stop vomiting http://paidcontent.org/2013/04/22/social-sports-site-by-usa-today-aims-for-fans-non-fans-alike/

Can't make it past "The Win." Instinctively hit back on the browser when I read that. *shivers*

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

The Prisoner posted:

You guys remember TJ Simers, the guy who did the offensive hatchet job on Marcus Thames?

Yeah, well, today his excuse for a column was a poorly-written "humorous" assault on the City of Memphis that was light on basketball analysis and pretty heavy on coded terms: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-clippers-20130426,0,141433.column


If you're gonna try and be funny about that sort of thing, it's probably in your best interest to actually be funny. And if he's doing it to push back on the (admittedly played-out) story of the "hustle-and-grit Grizzlies from a blue-collar city", he probably should've done so in an intelligent manner. But instead Simers is just a loving hack.

It's kinda heartwarming, though, to see all the LA fans and the Memphis fans come together just to tell Simers to gently caress off and die.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

FuzzySkinner posted:

I agree with the debate topic though. If there was a debate show featuring top journalists, figures, etc in athletics debating legit topics such as Title IX, Gay Athletes, the Financial impact of hosting a major sporting event (whether it's positive or negative), than yeah that would make an interesting TV show to view.

Best I've heard was Bomani Jones' podcast. Felt like he did the best job of anyone I've heard when it comes to treating athletes as human beings and sports as a business. Problem is, he can't talk sports on his podcast anymore as part of his new contract with ESPN.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Kalli posted:

The good news is, he's excellent on Highly Questionable and probably the most enjoyable panelist they put on Around the Horn.

Seriously, Highly Questionable is somehow the most enjoyable show ESPN has these days. Just Bomani, Dan LeBetard and his dad sitting at a table chilling about sports topics.

Also, his old SBNation series on youtube is quite solid as well, for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh9IRJ6FHF0

Definitely digging HQ, but I enjoyed it most when he goes off on sports stuff. That one podcast dedicated to Bobby Petrino was art. I'm glad that he's getting paid and getting airtime, but I'll miss the uncensored sports commentary.

Niwrad posted:

Bomani Jones is such a weird guy. He seems intelligent and can really breakdown a sports topic, but his Twitter feed was like an angsty 14 year old.

Yeah, he's quick to get in on those flame wars. That said, he's got loads of dumb sports fans serving bad opinions with a side of thinly-veiled racism every day so I'm kinda surprised he isn't more of a jerk.


Mildly related: I hate Woody Paige and I hate the tubby little dipshits out there who look up to him.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Groucho Marxist posted:

Around the Horn is decent if Bomani Jones is on it and awful when he isn't.


midwat posted:

Sportswriting awards are as useful to finding your way as a compass. Find out where they go, and head the opposite direction.


Anymore, you get the most interesting and entertaining sports analysis from people who don't identify as sports reporters. Know it's probably not going to happen, but I want to see more folks like Jones come in from the outside because they're not burdened with thirty years worth of dumbass cliches about athlete motivation or game management. Also, the non-reporters don't have to sacrifice objectivity to keep whatever inside sources they've accumulated as friends; they can just say whatever the hell they need to say.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

So It Goes posted:

So does anyone think ESPN's annual "study" of the body form has any actual merit beyond the loads of views and attention it obviously gets.

Sometimes it's cool to see how a muscle group changes on an elite athlete, but that doesn't change the fact that it's softcore porn that you can buy at the grocery store.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

I CHALLENGE THEE posted:

When it comes to any sportswriter penning any article about steroids just don't click on it and imagine the writer just jumping up and down showing "look at me look at me gimme dem page views" instead

Same, but I imagine them looking like that gif of Bill Plaschke dramatically turning toward the camera and failing to look intimidating.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Jackie D posted:

Ken Jeong is hosting Sportscenter :psyduck:

Even muted, on a TV barely in peripheral vision, and at the gym with all sorts of stimuli, it was irritating.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

The radio show is way better than the show as it is. I agree that Bomani's kinda shoehorned in there, but it sounds a little like FS1 was going after him and that ESPN had to give him a show somewhere or lose him. Bomani & Jones coming back in some form as a late night show would be great.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

morestuff posted:



Good thing, a hip-hop coach would have been a disaster.

Dallas Morning News immediately retracted apologized hid behind Lou Holtz.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

For a bit of good sports journalism, Sara Ganim submitted open records requests to ~40 public universities regarding reading levels for enrolled athletes. Not going to quote and highlight because the whole thing is long and worth reading: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html

There's also a page showing which schools got polled and the current status of their response: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/01/us/college-scores/index.html

Her twitter feed has a number of choice quotes from whistleblowers or other bystanders that didn't make the cut into the original story:

quote:

One of the saddest anecdotes From Mary [Willingham]: An athlete who would make progress with reading, then forget it all. Too many concussions.

quote:

This didn’t make the piece, but Willingham says one recruit was promised he could study at UNC to become a barber. (cont.)

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One college-prep tutor told me some of the athlete scores are lower than scores of international students who have been in the US for a yr

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One school just never responded to our request: University of South Carolina

As always, don't read the comments.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Surprised Kornheiser and Wilbon blasted LeBatard on PTI. Their argument was that LeBatard has a national reach, he should use it to advocate on behalf of the steroid-era guys. That would be a valid argument if any of the BBWWA guys had shame or the ability to learn.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

What prevents him from doing that anyway?

I think he could do that, but it seems like articles and speeches he makes now are for the writers to come after the current ones die. I could understand not wanting to invest that kind of time and energy.

Real interested in hearing the radio show.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Mary Willingham has received death threats since Ganim's article was published.

MourningView posted:

Or we could maybe not totally give up on them and actually try to let them take advantage of the free education that's being offered to supposedly compensates them for the all the money they're making the school (and maybe decrease the practice demands on them so they can actually take advantage of it) instead of just going "eh, that boy's fast, he doesn't need none of that book learning". Most of them are not going to be professional athletes.

Bingo.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

A bunch of reactions to the House Rep who threatened to throw a reporter off the balcony before the State of the Union yesterday have included "thug." Probably coincidental, but it seemed like a conspicuous, intentional overuse like it would balance out the reactions to Sherman.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Crazy Ted posted:

Actually if you saw what Michael Grimm did it was literally thuggish because he told a reporter who asked him a question he didn't like that he was going to "throw him over the loving balcony", and to top it off he did it while the cameras were rolling.

I'm not disagreeing at all - that was absolutely the definition of thuggish behavior. Still, I'm not used to seeing thug used much outside of sports commentary so it was a little surprising even though it was correct.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

I imagine that the only person ever caught hanging out with Rovell in the ESPN cafeteria was Jay Mariotti.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

That's peak douche. gently caress him, and gently caress all 41 people who favorite'd that post.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

For whatever it's worth, I've gotten others to write bios about me for websites and presentations because writing anything self-complementary has been very uncomfortable. Everything that's ever been produced in that way seemed self-absorbed at best and untruthful at worst about a relatively low amount of experience, but it's been better to err on the side of hyperbole when trying to get new people on your side.

This guy's probably a shithead, but there's just a non-zero chance that he closed his eyes and put this bio in the hands of someone with less shame.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

While we wait for the Black Grantland that may never come, Shadow League's been quietly putting together some interesting stuff.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Deadspin has a story up about the New York Knick's FO's vendetta against Frank Isola. You're only getting one side of the story with this article, but it's not that hard to beleive considering the other things that Dolan et al. have said and done in the past. http://deadspin.com/how-frank-isola-became-the-most-hated-man-at-madison-sq-478620919

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Isola said he had a good relationship with Barry Watkins, the team's former head of public relations, but it has been a different story with Jonathan Supranowitz, who assumed the post in 2006. "I haven't spoken to the guy in four years," Isola said. "First of all, because he's evil. And he's a bad guy. Supranowitz. He's the worst."

He blames Supranowitz for the ouster of former Knicks assistant coach Tom Thibodeau, who is now the head coach of the Chicago Bulls.

"I've known Tom Thibodeau for 15, 16 years," Isola said. "He has never once given me a story. We were just very friendly. Whenever I used to get a story, he used to accuse Tom Thibodeau. Here's a guy who might be coach of the year, but they wanted to run him out of the organization not because he didn't do his job well—he was great at his job. They thought he was leaking stuff to me. This is how dangerous some of the people are in this organization. Tom is the most loyal employee you'll find, and these knuckleheads ran him out because they thought he was telling me stuff. I mean, give me a break."

It also humanizes Isola a little bit if your only experience with him is Around the Horn.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

I listen to LeBatard's show via podcast at work, and it's a great antidote to the usual sports show.

I've enjoyed it even through the Heat playoffs. Hoping they get John Amechi on more regularly as co-host because he's fantastic and unintentionally pisses off all the right people.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

AsInHowe posted:

I really liked Sports on Earth. That is too bad.

Yup. Quality, substance, original viewpoints...it couldn't last in this world.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Mornacale posted:

I for one approve of more cities outright making GBS threads on Cleveland.

Absolutely.

Cleveland fans: Smug in victory, bitchy in defeat, and insufferable about "Midwest / blue collar" values they've never lived by in between.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

The billboard were kinda lame and the whole thing should've been aimed firmly at mocking Dan Gilbert and the jersey burners without ever mentioning Lebron's name. Still, the suspension's dumb, and everyone fistpumping over the punishment as a victory for class and respect for the game needs to be deported to Zimbabwe.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003


Yeah, I'm not sure what they're going for here. At best, this seems like it'll be a humanist-ish sports show for an audience that seems pretty small and quiet. At worst, it's exactly what the author thinks it is, which is a handy way to shove women away from sports broadcasting without having to own up to it.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003


Everyone and everything around the nude pics leak, minus the women and their partners, needs to go straight to hell.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

The complaint's over the top (CLASSY, CLASSY FANS), but I'd be a little embarrassed too if someone walked in while that was on my TV.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

As a Lions fan, this is at worst the second most embarrassing thing that can be seen on your television.

I'm trying to get Jim Caldwell to morph into :stare: in gif response, but it's not working.

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Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Was Taters posted:

Well, in a lot of places they are Carls Jr.

Didn't know that. I guess this means this Thickburger commercial was for the ladies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxK7xvRYlb4

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Was Taters posted:

Not naked. Not writhing. Not particularly similar.

I think you're right!

:thejoke:

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Scaramouche posted:

So Rice got released and Obama made a speech about it ("a real man doesn't hit a woman"), any entertaining meltdowns/reversals? I don't follow NFL at all so I wouldn't even know where to look.

Nah, at least nothing from journalists. There was a shitton of WHY DONT YOU SPEND TIME ON SOMETHING THAT MATTERS LIKE (Iraq, the economy, Benghazi, loving yourself, etc.) like it took a ton of time and consideration to come to the conclusion that men shouldn't hit women. No one writing those responses answered when asked how they'd react if Obama had just said "no comment."

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

ESPN's ombudsman is taking off. A couple of choice sections from his calm, polite "gently caress all y'all" piece:

quote:

I think that improvement is most needed in ESPN’s inconsistent execution of journalism, which does not appear to be the highest of company priorities. That’s understandable from an economic perspective. College football and basketball, for example, are important revenue producers for the company. Extensive investigative reporting into the exploitation of college athletes, and the legal battles around that, would seem to conflict with ESPN’s business model. How do you turn over the rocks in the Southeastern Conference, for instance, while owning the SEC Network?

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A starting point [toward making ESPN legitimate]: cut through ESPN’s variety of voices offering various kinds of information and speculation -- reporters embedded with teams and college conferences; “First Take” debaters; Insiders with rumors of trades and injuries; squawk radio; Grantland podcasters and espnW profilers. Well, to do that, ESPN needs to create a central news desk with its own dedicated staff of writers, reporters, producers and on-air talent. It would be a news firehose ready to crash on a story and get it on digital, radio and/or TV.

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As Laurie Orlando, ESPN’s senior vice president of talent development and planning, told me last year, “This is a halfway house for coaches. We build up relationships, and we have better access when they go back to coaching. And they’ll come back to us again if they had a good experience.”

Those kinds of revolving doors (similar to ones that spin for former political operatives on mainstream news shows) can end up turning some of the analysts into spokespeople for an industry they might want to return to, rather than full-hearted sharers of informed opinions. They need to be used more skillfully by producers as opinionated sidekicks to journalists rather than as alpha dogs with host puppies.

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The prodigious work by the Fainaru brothers (Mark and Steve) on NFL concussions and the league’s presumed cover-up has created a standard for sports journalism. But ESPN’s subsequent coverage of the topic has been spotty. A news organization that can run a continuing feature on the changing fashions of athletic uniforms (UniWatch), on ESPN.com can at the least run a continuing feature on NFL and maybe even college concussions: who gets them, how long before they are cleared for return and follow-ups. Call it Conc-Watch.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003


Ugh. Have to imagine the Dwight Howard section will be extra-unwatchable.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Nerdfest X posted:

I really liked Highly Questionable, before Bomani Jones joined. The show was much better when it was just the father/son dynamic. He just seems like a 3rd wheel

It took a while, but he's fitting in better. They work together way better on the radio, though, where they have a little more flexibility in time and content.

Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

Wilbon was one of the pundits laughing loudest about thugs getting what they deserved when Sean Taylor got killed in a home robbery that had nothing to do with his past. He can go to hell.

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Anals of History
Jul 29, 2003

It's kinda hard to watch competitive eating normally, but it's goes from gross to awful after learning anything about food insecurity or the sheer tonnage of food thrown out by grocery stores on a regular basis. Like, I get that all 1) sports are inherently wasteful, 2) that the economic impact of caring for CTE or burning thousands of gallons of gasoline in racing is probably far larger, and 3) disliking a sport in this way makes me a hypocrite SJW beta bitch, but I think disgraceful is a pretty good description here.

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