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peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Helianthus Annuus posted:

really cool demonstration

i get so impatient with knobs and poo poo, maybe thats why i completely neglected my LP lol

anything that takes my fingers off the fretboard, and im like "GOD i might as well be playing KEYS!"

See I'm the opposite, I don't want to be treading on pedals if possible, the sounds and textures available from my guitar are analogue, and stomping on a pedal is an on / off switch, I like the analogue flexibility :)

I am thinking of an average song, first one I though of I:

Start with neck volume at 3 and play hard to create woody poky sound, then at the end of the verse it's bridge pickup on 8 for a couple of bars, then back to neck on 5 ish for second verse.
Then, bridge on 10 to play the same things as before (the on 8 part) but that leads into a boost pedal going on for the first proper chorus - all with plectrum.
Then I play a bridge type thing, neck pickup no pedals on 6 ish, reverb on, finger picking this bit. Then the second half of the bridge is a solo off the other guy and I go bridge pickup, on 8 ish and play claw finger style really slapping chords and root notes with my thumb to be percussive. Reverb off.
Then bridge on 10, back to plectrum and do the pre chorus, this time with boost on, then after 2 bars fuzz on and finally after another 2 bars a POG on top of that.

That's pretty average for me, I've always got a plectrum in my mouth on live pics, it's funny as hell, or a slide ha ha

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magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




I'm going a little stir crazy so I guess I'll try my hand at a DIY kit. Can anyone recommend an SSS Strat kit that has a precut neck?

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

NonzeroCircle posted:

Spanish your alternate and trem picking is always so solid it kinda sickens me a bit.

I'm slowly working my way up the bpms Bernth's 300 bpm picking vid (a bar of 8ths then a bar of 16ths on a single note, repeat. And a few variations of twiddles too with the aim of finishing on a downstroke) and can reliably hit about 170 16ths before my pick starts snagging no matter how much I try to play on the top of the string rather than 'through' it. Plus I get a really persistent 'pick' noise on up strokes at higher speeds, almost like a pinch harmonic kinda squeal, though I'm changing strings tomorrow so hopefully that's just dead string noise

Lol thank you.

I didn't meant to learn how to do it but I really do follow the Troy Grady methods 100%. Jazzed III, slanted pick, combo of wrist and fingers, etc

Fresh strings help a lot as they resist the pick a little less when they're more slinky/bendable.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
I've been trying 2mm Chicken Pick Badazz picks the past couple of weeks and though I've got used to them I reckon I still prefer the Petrucci Jazz iiis, definitely snag less even with these new strings on. I always forget what a difference new strings makes!

User Error
Aug 31, 2006

Lester Shy posted:

The secret to taming an LP is to gently caress with the knobs constantly. I "wasted" many years by always playing with everything at 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkGCvLstPrE

Why would I learn how to use what I already have when I can just buy pedals?

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

magiccarpet posted:

I'm going a little stir crazy so I guess I'll try my hand at a DIY kit. Can anyone recommend an SSS Strat kit that has a precut neck?

This is a good first kit. Cheap enough that if you screw it up totally, you won't be upset, and decent enough that if you like the way it plays, you can upgrade parts for it. Comes with a pre-wired pick guard so you can even save your sanity trying to wire a Strat for the first time. https://www.guitarfetish.com/Super-Lightweight-Double-Cutaway-Kit-Rosewood-OR-Maple_p_1203.html

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

magiccarpet posted:

I'm going a little stir crazy so I guess I'll try my hand at a DIY kit. Can anyone recommend an SSS Strat kit that has a precut neck?

how much work do you want to put into it and what's your budget


Lumpy posted:

This is a good first kit. Cheap enough that if you screw it up totally, you won't be upset, and decent enough that if you like the way it plays, you can upgrade parts for it. Comes with a pre-wired pick guard so you can even save your sanity trying to wire a Strat for the first time. https://www.guitarfetish.com/Super-Lightweight-Double-Cutaway-Kit-Rosewood-OR-Maple_p_1203.html


every body i've gotten from gfs had something messed up like bridge screw holes way off or a misaligned neck pocket or pickup cavity routes, like they just eyeballed it and said gently caress it, good enough

they generally have alright prices on low-end wilkinson hardware and their pickups are obviously decent (they're mostly rebranded artecs but they have a wider selection), but i'd steer clear of the bodies and necks if you're just looking to slap something together without having to do a ton of extra work

The Muppets On PCP fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 13, 2020

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




The Muppets On PCP posted:

how much work do you want to put into it and what's your budget

$300 or so. I won't be gigging out with it or anything. I'm fine with drilling holes, painting/sanding and soldering.

I assume at that price I could get some unfinished and would throw some grovers, a better nut and whatever everyone recommends for surf tones as pickups.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
your best bet's a used sub-$50 body off ebay

pop off the old finish with a hair dryer or heat gun and a plastic paint scraper so you're left with a sealed body to put a new finish on

probably squeeze in a wd/mighty mite neck, some cheapo wilkinson pickups/tuners/bridge, a tusq nut and still hit your budget

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I've never owned an acoustic guitar before so I went into a used instrument store and got the best feeling one I could buy with however much cash I had in my bag, I figured at that price it would end up being a Yamaha with like crayon drawings all over it but there was a silvertone something or other that felt noticeably better playing wise than the rest so I got that. Now I'm learning to play the Jojo's intro meme song (roundabout by Yes for all you gaijin out theree )

Pondex
Jul 8, 2014

Wowporn posted:

I've never owned an acoustic guitar before so I went into a used instrument store and got the best feeling one I could buy with however much cash I had in my bag, I figured at that price it would end up being a Yamaha with like crayon drawings all over it but there was a silvertone something or other that felt noticeably better playing wise than the rest so I got that. Now I'm learning to play the Jojo's intro meme song (roundabout by Yes for all you gaijin out theree )

It's the outro-song you philistine.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Apologies I was drinking last night, did not impede my ability to learn the first chunk of the song though. Man their guitar player really loving likes harmonics huh I am very not used to using them but I feel like they are easier/sound better on this guitar vs my electrics

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

gently caress. I changed the strings on my
Ibanez RG270 with the single locking tremolo and thought I did a great job until
I tried to tune it. It’d stay in tune for a few seconds and then go out of tune. I’d keep tightening the tuners and then I realized that the bridge was just getting tighter and raising up more and the springs in the cavity were getting tighter.

That’s when i remembered that when I used to change strings I’d do them one at a time, and not just cut them all off at once like I did this time.

So-there’s gotta be some way to fix this. Any ideas?

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

nwin posted:

gently caress. I changed the strings on my
Ibanez RG270 with the single locking tremolo and thought I did a great job until
I tried to tune it. It’d stay in tune for a few seconds and then go out of tune. I’d keep tightening the tuners and then I realized that the bridge was just getting tighter and raising up more and the springs in the cavity were getting tighter.

That’s when i remembered that when I used to change strings I’d do them one at a time, and not just cut them all off at once like I did this time.

So-there’s gotta be some way to fix this. Any ideas?

Literally just keep tuning it one string at a time. Start with the high E and go down, putting each to pitch. It will take like ten times to finally get them all to settle at standard and if you do it out of order it may accidentally snap a string. This is part of the learning process

Chip McFuck
Jul 24, 2007

We droppin' like a comet and this Vulcan tried to Spock it/These Martians tried to do it, but knew they couldn't cop it

Gave my LP some much needed cleaning and fret polishing today and decided to swap the bridge and tailpiece with TonePros locking versions while I was at it. Can't believe I didn't do it sooner. The sustain as well as the acoustic resonance have improved dramatically and the locking keeps everything in place. Accidentally got the nickel plated instead of chrome, but it honestly looks better to me as the subtle yellow tones of the nickel pair really well with the cream plastic. Definitely recommend if anyone is thinking of changing out their bridge.

former glory
Jul 11, 2011

peter gabriel posted:

See I'm the opposite, I don't want to be treading on pedals if possible, the sounds and textures available from my guitar are analogue, and stomping on a pedal is an on / off switch, I like the analogue flexibility :)

I am thinking of an average song, first one I though of I:

Start with neck volume at 3 and play hard to create woody poky sound, then at the end of the verse it's bridge pickup on 8 for a couple of bars, then back to neck on 5 ish for second verse.
Then, bridge on 10 to play the same things as before (the on 8 part) but that leads into a boost pedal going on for the first proper chorus - all with plectrum.
Then I play a bridge type thing, neck pickup no pedals on 6 ish, reverb on, finger picking this bit. Then the second half of the bridge is a solo off the other guy and I go bridge pickup, on 8 ish and play claw finger style really slapping chords and root notes with my thumb to be percussive. Reverb off.
Then bridge on 10, back to plectrum and do the pre chorus, this time with boost on, then after 2 bars fuzz on and finally after another 2 bars a POG on top of that.

That's pretty average for me, I've always got a plectrum in my mouth on live pics, it's funny as hell, or a slide ha ha

Thanks for posting your process. I feel sort of like Josh Homme in a Guitar Power interview where he was explaining how the concept of a pick was so foreign to him for years. I've always been a guy who dials volume at about 9.5, tone at about 8.5, and that's clean. Stomping on the TS or Big Muff is the heavy sound. I feel like people rarely talk about working the knobs in practice like this. It's giving me a lot to work and experiment with. :cheers:

old friend
Dec 29, 2019


Hi I assume this question has already been asked but I don't have search sorry

Can someone pls recommend good free software for recording with a VST guitar amp sim with relatively easy setup?

I only have audacity atm and I understand that it is crap for VST use

tia

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

old friend posted:

Hi I assume this question has already been asked but I don't have search sorry

Can someone pls recommend good free software for recording with a VST guitar amp sim with relatively easy setup?

I only have audacity atm and I understand that it is crap for VST use

tia

Reaper

Nebraska Tim
Feb 2, 2010

old friend posted:

Hi I assume this question has already been asked but I don't have search sorry

Can someone pls recommend good free software for recording with a VST guitar amp sim with relatively easy setup?

I only have audacity atm and I understand that it is crap for VST use

tia


+1 to Reaper. Technically has an infinite trial period, only $60 if you end up sticking with it.

This is a quick video to set up guitar on Reaper

Adam Steel has a channel with many videos that go much further in depth.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
reaper is cool

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Spanish Manlove posted:

Literally just keep tuning it one string at a time. Start with the high E and go down, putting each to pitch. It will take like ten times to finally get them all to settle at standard and if you do it out of order it may accidentally snap a string. This is part of the learning process

High E? The thin one? Isn’t that the most likely to break?

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

nwin posted:

High E? The thin one? Isn’t that the most likely to break?

Well it depends on if you're going up or down in pitch, for some reason I assumed you're going up in pitch so when you tune a string up it'll make the others go a little flat.

But really just be careful that the tension on any one string doesn't get too high

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Spanish Manlove posted:

Well it depends on if you're going up or down in pitch, for some reason I assumed you're going up in pitch so when you tune a string up it'll make the others go a little flat.

But really just be careful that the tension on any one string doesn't get too high

When should I lock the head stock down? The Allen bolts that are on the headstock.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

nwin posted:

When should I lock the head stock down? The Allen bolts that are on the headstock.

Lock it once it's done tuning and completely stable, then use the fine tuners to fix anything that went sharp/flat when you locked it down.

So when messing with tunings on a floyd: unlock, tune, lock, fine tune.

Never mess with the headstock tuners when the nut is locked down

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer
Holy poo poo, my friends.

This kit made it possible for a guy like me to pull the installation off, but the wiring harness in the Firefly is blowing my mind.

1st of all, the JB/'59 combo is already known to me but man it sounds incredible in this hollowbody. Just aces. Such a wide range of tones even before you add the somewhat astonishing array of switching options built into the circuitry of the harness/pot/switch setup. Now, those of you who are familiar with these kinds of circuits can already guess my reaction to this harness and all of its options, but if you aren't already, bear with me!

As usual, here are the WIP pics. Once again I'm putting US sized pots in an asian-built guitar so it came with Alpha pots so the shaft-holes needed to be widened. As before, I achieved this with the "bastard-file" + "taped-down washer" trick. Also, regardless of if I truly needed them, I swapped out the stock tuners for Grovers and they went in easily. At my age, it really sucks doing work like this on the floor. I'm still sore from sitting cross-legged for so long last weekend.



I forget what the top is made of but the file doesn't remove the wood very quickly.



Eventually you start getting the pots in and here are bits of harness clips sticking out waiting for the last pieces:



And there's no reason to re-post a pic pf the instrument because it literally looks the same as it did before. But the difference in the sound is stunning. I knew I didn't like those stock pickups but holy poo poo she sounds absolutely amazing now. No comment on the tuning stability., yet. I forgot to put the nut sauce under the strings at the nut but I'll get to that if I run into any problems.

To sum up:
What I failed to fully understand is that not only is each of the four pots a push/pull pot but that what they each does depends on what position the three-way selector is in. E.G. If it's in bridge pickup mode, the bridge volume is your coil tap (and same for the neck pickup in neck position.) In Bridge + Neck position it does other phase stuff, but I had to take this picture to start understanding just how many things this kits does. Take a look:



I'm sure it'll become second nature... right? Right?

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI
Wait I also have a ff338. I need an exact list of parts you used and if you would do it again.

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

Captain Apollo posted:

Wait I also have a ff338. I need an exact list of parts you used and if you would do it again.
Okee dokee:

1 4-conductor SH1n4cNkl Seymour Duncan SH-1n '59 Neck - 4-C Nickel ($79)
1 4-conductor SH4JBNkl Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB Model - Nickel ($79)
1 305C Grover Mid-size Rotomatic Tuners 3+3, Chrome ($49.99)
1 Big Leg Circuits Jimmy Page guitar wiring harness. ($136 - including six bucks for the treble bleed caps on the volume pot circuits.)

Here's the video of the installation if you'd like to see the installation kit in action. It works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7pKqsBF56A&t=392s

You'll have to widen to pot holes, but a lot of people just drill them out. I like to use the bastard file method because it allows me to move the center of the hole outward from the middle of the four pots just a tiny bit.

I would absolutely do it again. My Dad is doing it to his FF338 and he actually told be about Big Leg Circuits but I beat him to it.

I guess not everyone would love the JB. You might want to source a different pickup for the bridge but I got exactly what I was looking for.

An alternative to the Grover tuners is Wilkinson, they make a set of 3+3 EZ LOK tuners that might cost a little less.

E: If you do decide to order from BLC, please tell Steve (the owner and builder, he is a research chemist by trade) that the guy in Charlotte whose Dad also just got one (he'll know who you mean) recommended him to you. I promised to pimp his product out because he did my Dad a favor and the kit is astounding. I won't get anything from it except him knowing I really meant it.

Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jul 17, 2020

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

former glory posted:

Thanks for posting your process. I feel sort of like Josh Homme in a Guitar Power interview where he was explaining how the concept of a pick was so foreign to him for years. I've always been a guy who dials volume at about 9.5, tone at about 8.5, and that's clean. Stomping on the TS or Big Muff is the heavy sound. I feel like people rarely talk about working the knobs in practice like this. It's giving me a lot to work and experiment with. :cheers:

The way I see it is these controls were super important once upon a time and were designed by total gods like Leo Fender, Ted Carty and the like to enable guitarists to be expressive, and I feel that just because we've come a long way since then their work is still valid and useful.
Going from country to jazz on a good Tele is only a couple of turns of a dial away and I've always found that really exiting and liberating.
It also helps so so much when you're doing live shows, the more control of my own destiny I have in my fingers is really important for so many reasons. I have a great pedal board, don't get me wrong, but I could absolutely play a gig without it if needed, and that's where I personally need to be.
It's also a ton of fun :)

goodness
Jan 3, 2012

When the light turns green, you go. When the light turns red, you stop. But what do you do when the light turns blue with orange and lavender spots?
Looking for a guitar pedal under $100 :

Would you go with Donner Tiny Looper or Boss RC-1 or TC Ditto? For bedroom use.

bees x1000
Jun 11, 2020

goodness posted:

Looking for a guitar pedal under $100 :

Would you go with Donner Tiny Looper or Boss RC-1 or TC Ditto? For bedroom use.
Boss is quality. Maybe spend a little more for the RC-3 which has loop saving/metronome/simple drums/etc.?

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop
i have an RC-2 looper and it works fine. it's got kind of a lovely quantizing function that seems to be turned on by default, instead of off. it's easy to use though and i learned to layer loops on it, so you're probably fine with anything in that range. i'd never bring it to a gig though, it's too finicky. they're built like a tank, i've been hauling it around to jams for a decade and never had a problem.

beer gas canister fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 17, 2020

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

I’m not seeing any reason to go for an Epiphone Les Paul standard Plustop Pro over an ESP EC256, plus the ESP is $150 less.

All the reviews seem to point to the ESP unless you really want a carbon copy of a Les Paul. Agree/disagree?

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
the epiphone brand has a bad reputation for inconsistent QC. maybe they're better now?

but you always run the risk of getting a lemon if you are buying instruments sight-unseen

id just get the ESP right now and make sure the return policy is legit

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

nwin posted:

gently caress. I changed the strings on my
Ibanez RG270 with the single locking tremolo and thought I did a great job until
I tried to tune it. It’d stay in tune for a few seconds and then go out of tune. I’d keep tightening the tuners and then I realized that the bridge was just getting tighter and raising up more and the springs in the cavity were getting tighter.

That’s when i remembered that when I used to change strings I’d do them one at a time, and not just cut them all off at once like I did this time.

So-there’s gotta be some way to fix this. Any ideas?

did you ever get it back in tune?

and did this experience move you to buy something with a hardtail bridge? lol

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Dr. Faustus posted:

1 4-conductor SH1n4cNkl Seymour Duncan SH-1n '59 Neck - 4-C Nickel ($79)
1 4-conductor SH4JBNkl Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB Model - Nickel ($79)
1 305C Grover Mid-size Rotomatic Tuners 3+3, Chrome ($49.99)
1 Big Leg Circuits Jimmy Page guitar wiring harness. ($136 - including six bucks for the treble bleed caps on the volume pot circuits.)

wow! you put 344 bux worth of parts into a guitar that costs 150 bux? i know you said its better now, but does it compare favorably to instruments that cost 500 bux new? like squier's classic vibes or G&L's tribute series? (sorry i dont know the right brands and price points to compare for gibson-style guitars)

suppose i wanted a really legit 24.75" hollow-body guitar, but didn't have the patience for that installation. surely I could spent 500 bux and get something needs-suiting, right?

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

nwin posted:

I’m not seeing any reason to go for an Epiphone Les Paul standard Plustop Pro over an ESP EC256, plus the ESP is $150 less.

All the reviews seem to point to the ESP unless you really want a carbon copy of a Les Paul. Agree/disagree?

As far as I can tell, ESP makes the guitars that Gibson should be making, possibly with a greater fondness for metal.

Related, I finally got around to visiting a local shop that imports Tokais. I tried out a Tele, which was every bit as good as an American Fender, but priced much more reasonable. It seems Tokai just never left the lawsuit era, except for some cosmetic changes to avoid the actual lawsuits. Now I'm just waiting to see if I get any Coronabucks to blow on a guitar..

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Helianthus Annuus posted:

did you ever get it back in tune?

and did this experience move you to buy something with a hardtail bridge? lol

Haha yeah I did. I ended up just loosening all the strings and I messed with the float a bit (literally just bending it up and down a few times). I even took the backplate off to make sure the springs weren’t hung up on anything. After I tried to tune it again and it went into tune much easier, so :iiam:

I’m still a little skeeved of checking out guitars in person, but amazon has that ESP listed for prime shipping and free returns so I might check that out.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
i'd probably try to get it from musicians friend / guitar center, or sweetwater. one of those specialized music retailers, because they are supposed to do an extra QC check and setup before they send it your way. amazon isnt gonna be checking anything

but amazon return policy is p good, and if you are saving 100 bux thru amazon, probably worth it to roll the dice

ideally youd be getting it from a local shop with a legit luthier on staff, who will dial your poo poo in for you (included in the price of the guitar, and very worthwhile, if you live in an extreme climate). but if you dont wanna gently caress with that during an uncontrolled global pandemic, i certainly get it

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Helianthus Annuus posted:

i'd probably try to get it from musicians friend / guitar center, or sweetwater. one of those specialized music retailers, because they are supposed to do an extra QC check and setup before they send it your way. amazon isnt gonna be checking anything

but amazon return policy is p good, and if you are saving 100 bux thru amazon, probably worth it to roll the dice

ideally youd be getting it from a local shop with a legit luthier on staff, who will dial your poo poo in for you (included in the price of the guitar, and very worthwhile, if you live in an extreme climate). but if you dont wanna gently caress with that during an uncontrolled global pandemic, i certainly get it

Yeah I mean this would honestly be to see if I notice a big enough difference between it and the RG270 to upgrade and also how the body style sits with me. I’d feel bad about taking it back to a shop and complaining. Amazon? Not so much.

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Chip McFuck
Jul 24, 2007

We droppin' like a comet and this Vulcan tried to Spock it/These Martians tried to do it, but knew they couldn't cop it

Helianthus Annuus posted:

i'd probably try to get it from musicians friend / guitar center, or sweetwater. one of those specialized music retailers, because they are supposed to do an extra QC check and setup before they send it your way. amazon isnt gonna be checking anything

Musicians friend and Guitar Center ship everything factory sealed; they do not perform setups on any of their instruments they sell online or through phone order. Sweetwater does do setups before shipping though. Another good option (maybe the best, in my opinion) is Elderly Instruments. Just really nice folks working out of a smaller store and have an incredible amount of Martins to peruse.

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