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Walked
Apr 14, 2003

So I've had my Rondo AL-2000 for about 1.5 weeks. I'm loving loving it. Exercises, scales, basic theory reading, and songs - its all enjoyable.

I tried guitar a couple years back 2007ish, put in 3-4months with an instructor and got nowhere. Somehow in the last 1.5weeks I've gotten further than I did in that timeframe. It's ridiculous.

And I've got a well reviewed instructor I start with on Tuesday, doing one day a week for guitar, one a week for music theory. Hooray.

QUESTION: How much will picking up an acoustic gently caress up my progress on an electric? I'm extremely interested in both, but if its a "stick to one until youve got some base proficiency down" then I'll hold off on toying with an acoustic.

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Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Figured as such. I presume the acoustic will be good for finger strength too.

Martin DX1 or other? I seem to see the DX1 recommended over and over and over, and its in my budget (hooray huge bonus). If not, any other suggestion?

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Pretty standard fare around here.

I generally see $25/30min from local shops. And my instructor, private is $22.50/30min.

I'd not really argue with $26/hr if you like the instructor.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

seigfox posted:

Questions from a guitar buying newbie: When am I going to hit diminishing returns in terms of guitar quality as I move through the price brackets? Would an untrained ear be able to notice the difference between a $2500 Gibson ES-339 and the $500 Epiphone equivalent? Is it worth the extra money for a non-professional? Is that extra $2k just a status symbol?

Right now I'm playing on a starter strat so I'm assuming an improvement in either case, but I have no problems investing the money if it means I'll be able to grow in to a vastly superior instrument. Is it worth it?

I'm very much a beginner. Saying that up front.

I have a Rondo Agile AL-2000.
My friend has a $1300 Gibson Les Paul.

Both feel about the same to me. There is a little to be desired in terms of pickups and the knobs on the agile, but gently caress - for the price difference, I'm glad I got what I did.

But that's just me. From my standpoint, the Rondo is pretty much perfect. Now on the acoustic side I swear to god I'm constantly mind-masturbating the idea of buying a Martin DX1... and it's going to happen for certain next payday.



THAT SAID
I finally started with an instructor, and she's pretty much awesome. Better than any other instructor I've bothered with. I'm a happy man.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

TheGopher posted:

Picking up an Epiphone Standard Plus after work for $325 from some guy. :holy:

Probably just gonna grab a cheap-o Practice amp in the $80 range until I can afford a better amp and a distortion pedal, unless somebody knows a decent pedal to hold me over in the $20-$30 range.

I'd just go ahead and spend the extra for the Roland Microcube or Vox DA5. Get some effects, reasonable tone, and all that jazz in one nice portable quality box. Hooray.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Deadpan Science posted:

My fingertips hurt :qq:

Took me about a week to get past. No big things. Now my finger tips mostly lack feeling!

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Gauging progress here. Can anyone give me a feel how I'm doing?

2 weeks in, regular practice, started with instructor on Tuesday.

I know:

These chords:
C, E, G, D, A, F-barre chord, Amin
I can play the F up and down the fretboard. Rings clean 90% of the time. But I cant move it/ switch to it without thinking real hard. Standard fare I think.

I know the formula of and can put together a major scale or a harmonic minor if you give me a second to think on it and a root note.

Skills:
I can do the 1-2-3-4 exercise (just do the first four frets of each string and go from string to string ascending and descending) at about 80-90bpm

I am starting to memorize the fretboard. I know where every G is and I'm working through them all.

I can play most simple tunes quickly if you give me a tab. Yankee doodle, saints go marching, amazing grace, etc - not perfect, but can have anything similar 10 90% in under 10minutes.

And I can get a clean V^V strum 75% of the time. I tend to hit the high e too hard and make it ring louder than the rest. Getting that sorted still.

I can quickly (ish) change chord shapes, but doing it in rhythm mid-strum fucks me up. Two hands doing two different things. Working on that.

I know, its ALL MY OWN PROGRESS and not comparable, but I'm trying to gauge how I'm doing. Do I need to really amp up the practice regime at this point? Am I way behind? Or am I about par for the course?

I've been putting in 30min - 3hrs/day depending on schedule.

Taking 1hr/wk on guitar and 30min/wk on theory.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Chord changing to a metronome will be my focus for the next couple of days then! That and by proxy, improving the tone I get from my up strums.

Thanks guys. Hopefully I can get some of this knocked out with the aid of lots of practice + instructor + determination in the coming weeks. I know it wont be perfect, but once I can play something resembling music I'll be that much more encouraged.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Well.

The Martin DX1 I picked up is actually a DX1AE.
Is there any real difference between them aside from the AE having a pickup and can be amped?

Because it sounds loving awesome amped and it makes me happy so long as I didnt sacrifice quality.

The DX1 certainly is nicer than my Rondo AL2000, but that gives me a second guitar to get the AL2000 professionally setup, new strings, and some GFS pickups without having to go guitarless. :D

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Mini-progress report.

Tomorrow is my third week of lessons with my instructor, this is where I stand at week three:

- Can totally get my up-strums to ring clear and evenly finally. gently caress yes.
- Chord changes in time are coming along. C->A, A->D, D-> G7 / G, A, etc all in time, rest coming along.
- F-chord is pretty much good to go on fingering. Moving it or switching to it is a loving joke, however.
- Starting to learn a few other barre shapes as well.
- Can build major and minor scales on-the-fly, ideally with paper in front of me. This includes sharps/flats.
- I still sound like poo poo, but coming along.

Playing 75% on the acoustic; granted its a $500 acoustic and my rondo set me back $215, but I really do enjoy it more for some reason. The rondo has new strings, pickups, and a setup in the agenda though.

Totally not sure where that leaves me in terms of progress compared to others, but I'm pleased with myself. Still trying to practice 1hr+ a day.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

So I've been using my acoustic and my rondo AL-2000 back and forth.

I found I preferred the acoustic, but didnt know why (new to this and whatnot).
I really, really preferred the acoustic.

Then I tried my guitar teacher's Gibson SG with 13s on it. I loving LOVED the feel of the 13s.

Am I insane for wanting to put 13s on my agile? She said she'll teach me setup next lesson if I'd like. So I am thinking why the gently caress not?

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

edit: this isnt the bass thread

Walked fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jan 26, 2011

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

I suck at guitar; but I'm improving pretty nicely.

What sort of gear would I be eyeballing if I wanted to get like a late 50s rock / doo-wop sort of sound?


edit: Also; is an electric going to have tighter string spacing than my Seagull S6? I've been playing exclusively on the acoustic for a while now..


edit: VVV I figured a Strat or Tele + something simple was the answer. Would a telecaster do alright as well for that sort of feel?

Walked fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 22, 2011

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

1) Fuckin bar-chords. Finally starting to be able to cleanly switch. Hand is callousing up on the index finger nicely and getting clean notes out of every string 85% of the time.

2) God drat it. gently caress the "A-shape" major bar-chord. God drat.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

TIME. PATIENCE.

Give yourself some of both. Trust me; it makes a WORLD of difference. After a little bit of practice every day for a few months; things will begin to click.

And honestly, things seem to click most often when I'm having fun and enjoying myself. It allows you to kinda break down some mental walls you put up for yourself.

(It is VERY frustrating for a while though).

Learn chord progressions that sound together. Spend a little time learning some basic theory and understand why certain chords sound good together and some dont.

Work on changing chords in time with music. Once that clicks (and it took me some 4-5months to get anywhere near okay at it) - it suddenly becomes REALLY fun to play.

Of the chords you have there, try playing around with C and G and changing cleanly between them.

Try playing C - G - Aminor, they sound fairly good as a progression (I V vi) and are really easy to fret and transition between.

Its really, really, really easy to get overwhelmed. Focus on having a little bit of fun (even if practice is loving frustrating).

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Looking for an acoustic electric as an upgrade.

I've got a Seagull S6 right now, and its a pretty fine guitar. I want electric capabilities, and maybe something a bit nicer (although I've probably not reached any limits on the S6).

Budget gets up to around $700-1000, any suggestions?

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Walked posted:

Looking for an acoustic electric as an upgrade.

I've got a Seagull S6 right now, and its a pretty fine guitar. I want electric capabilities, and maybe something a bit nicer (although I've probably not reached any limits on the S6).

Budget gets up to around $700-1000, any suggestions?

Anyone?

How's the Taylor 114ce? I'm willing to extend up to $1500ish if itll make a big difference even. (obviously I'd prefer to keep it under $1k).

Looking for a warm(ish) folk tone.
edit: I'm going to try to get to the store to play a bunch of course, but it helps to have suggestions.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Manky posted:

Taylors are wonderful guitars. I don't know how you could be less than happy with one.

Thats what I've heard. I guess my biggest quesiton is: is the gap between the Taylor 114ce and a higher end taylor worth the extra $500 - 700? Probably not for me, at this stage, buuuut I dont know either.


Bonus questions for you guys, on a more theory standpoint

Can I get some insight as to how to expand my songwriting? I've got a pretty fundamentally good understanding of at least basic theory, chord progressions, and why standard (I-IV-V, etc etc) progressions sound good.

..How can I expand on this to be more "interesting" (noting my interest is in folk, but this could be useful for everyone).

I mean, for example I know that the V7 pulls to the I. I know you can substitute the vi for the I in many situations. But... what about these suspended chords? Or Maj7 chords? Where are their applications and how can I bring them in?

Its great that I can just grab them as they sound good (which I do regularly), but I'm trying to figure out more of a theory half of WHY and when to start using other chord qualities.

Does that make sense? Any help would rule.


Also, variations to spice up chords? I like do to a lot of:
(Bass note - strum - hammer on the third - strum) patterns of chords; but what other just little tidbits like these can I play with? I dont have enough longterm experience to just grab stuff I've run into yet, but i like to experiment with stuff like this.

Walked fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Apr 19, 2011

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Manky posted:

It may or may not make a huge difference right now, but if you can afford it, maybe you should go for it anyway. Get something that might last you the rest of your life. But test 'em out, see what you like.

Thats kinda what I'm thinking. If I can find an acoustic that just clicks for $1500 or somesuch; and not have any need for something new, and keep the Seagull around for dabbling/travel/etc, its probably worth it.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

CalvinDooglas posted:

If you have a handle on basic root movement already, start getting into the voice leading.

Begin by voice leading your basic I IV V, ii V I, I V vi type progressions. That means finding a way to play those chords by moving each note, "voice", within the chord by step or third. Instead of moving every note in the I up a fourth to play the IV, find a way to play the IV without changing position and moving each note as little as you can. Voices can move in different directions, too.

Here is a classic, simple example: C x3201x, G7 x2303x, Am x0221x

In strict Roman numeral terms, that's a I V65, vi (a deceptive cadence). The 6 5 thing is how you notate a Roman numeral 7th chord in first inversion. That is, with the third of the chord as the lowest note. In this example trace each voice through the progression and note the relationship to the chord:

C B A - Root third root
E F E - third 7th 5th
G G A - 5th third root
C D C - root 5th third

When you can do those, start experimenting with that kind of smooth chord movement and see what chords are nearby each other in terms of voice leading, rather than root movement. Once voice leading becomes part of how you see chord progressions, you will start to understand more possibilities, such as altering one note to change the quality or root of a chord without jarring the listener.

Thats really helpful. Doubly because I had written that EXACT progression as a part of a song I'm triyng to put together, and doubly so because the G7-Am is "deceptive" as you described.

Seriously, really really helpful. Thank you.


edit: Really, thank you. That puts me on the right path so much. EXACTLY the response I needed :)

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

CalvinDooglas posted:

Don't forget to relate your discoveries back to root movement patterns, too. It's when you can analyze in both terms that you really understand how they work together as a way to generate new ideas and rehash old ones. Sometimes a mundane progression by root movement is interesting in its voice leading, and vice versa.

Any suggested deeper reading on this? I've got a lot on a quick google; but some is really poorly written / etc. Its exactly what I need to start playing with, but a good book / reference could help.

I'm going to peg my music teacher demanding we start working on this next week in practice as well.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Walked posted:

Anyone?

How's the Taylor 114ce? I'm willing to extend up to $1500ish if itll make a big difference even. (obviously I'd prefer to keep it under $1k).

Looking for a warm(ish) folk tone.
edit: I'm going to try to get to the store to play a bunch of course, but it helps to have suggestions.

So I spent pretty much all night playing different guitars.

Ended up falling in love with the Martin OMC-1E. So now I have one of those. Hooray.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Can anyone help me out on two things:

1) Fingerpicking. Anyone have any suggestions for places to find information on varying patterns / exercises / etc? There's a mishmash of information online. For a feel for my level - I've got Dust in the Wind and House of the Rising Sun nailed down pretty well; and can travis pick pretty well. I guess I should start working on alernating bass; but still looking for more interesting patterns / thoughts.

2) Can someone please tell me what effect I'd be looking at to get a tone similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQEp8Fx6oyE I dont really know much about guitar effects really :smith:

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Porn Thread posted:

1) Depends on what direction you want to go.

Personally, I think it's stupid to treat "fingerpicking" as a separate discipline in guitar playing, with picking on the other end. The guitar was designed to be plucked with your fingers. The pick is a neat invention, and is very helpful for playing certain styles, but unless you use your fingers in some form or another, you're not reaching your full potential.

If you can tell us what direction you'd like to go in, it'd be easier to give specific advice. But here are some general thoughts:

- If you mostly use a pick when playing, learn how to hybrid pick. It is awkward at first, but very much worth it, and will greatly expand your possibilities.

- If you really want to explore Travis picking/alternating bass style, I can wholeheartedly recommend "The Art of Contemporary Travis Picking" by Mark Hanson. It starts out very simple, ramps up gradually, and by the end you're playing fairly difficult pieces. He has another book called "The Art of Solo Fingerpicking" which takes it even further. If you work through both of these books, you should have the foundation needed to explore guys like John Fahey, Leo Kottke, Rev. Gary Davis, etc if that's something that interests you.

- Keep learning different chords, and possibly even some basic chord melody arrangements. Let the music you're playing dictate the patterns you use, not the other way around.

2) Some sort of fuzz or overdrive with a lot of reverb.

Thanks; this is helpful!

I really want to pursue proper fingerstyle stuff; I can strum okay with a pick for rhythm stuff, but I like folk guitar a whole lot. So maybe that gives some feel for direction. I think travis picking/alternating bass is the road to start going down there, or is there another style I dont know yet?(I mainly play bass, which may contribute to quickly picking up fingerstyle).

But I agree; I do spend a lot of time picking too, just so I can get enough exposure on both fronts. It just so happens fingerstyle has "clicked" much better.

And thanks; I figured there was a good bit of reverb in there.

Another stupid question(s)
1) What's the difference really between delay and reverb?
2) Anyone used the martin silk and steel folk strings fingerstyle? I've heard good things and think I'll pick up a set; but I'm curious.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

MurraneousX posted:

So I've been hammering at my guitar every day since I've got it back in march yet somehow I've not bought a proper practice amp yet.

I'm looking at something like either a VOX Pathfinder 10 or a Marshall MG10, anybody got any recommendations either way?

I'll toss in that I've gotten a few different amps in the lower end practice-amp arena.

The goddamn BEST one I've picked up is the Fender Champion 600. Managed to snag one for $120 from guitar center by haggling, and its a one-trick-pony, but it has really good sounds for the price.

And it sounds _out of this world_ with a telecaster.

I am mildly obsessed with the 50s

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Anyone have suggestions for a particularly good arrangement of House of the Rising Sun?

I can play all the fingerstyle ones I've come across, but most are boring. Looking for something with a moving bassline, but there isnt much that google is pulling up.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Any particular acoustics I should give a good look at specifically for folk/fingerstyle stuff?

My last martin got smashed by my brother when moving apartments (dont go there) and I need to replace it.

Budget is flexible. $1000 - 2000.

I like warm / full tones. I'd just go play a ton but I moved pretty far from any good guitar shops, so some direction at least would be helpful.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiZ0jCzpdA

Can anyone help me with one of the chord shapes (on the first song)

I see an obvious Amin, and C/G, but I cant tell on that third one. I think its a Gsus4, but anyone verify sanity for me?


edit: Just incase anyone cares at all; it is indeed Gsus4 after finally getting home to my guitar

Walked fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jan 11, 2012

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Help.

I am rather solid at all things fingerstle (nowhere near good, but I can comfortably finish songs).

I cant strum to save my life. 16th notes = hosed.

Any particular exercises / things I can do to improve my ability to strum faster?
Or am I in for a world for hating life with a metronome for a while? (obvious answer I suppose)

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

What pedal(s) should I be grabbing to get a sound similar the Lazy Eye? Google pulling answers all over the place and I trust you guys more

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

I want to pick up a Telecaster and I like to buy new because I'm dumb.

Can someone school me on Telecaster models from $1000-2000?

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Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Is there any other exercise generator / good exercise book like music discipline out there?

I'd love to expend my structured exercise work a bit more; unfortunately no 1:1 instruction at this time

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