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Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.

I watched the first few episodes of the first season when they were reunion rerunning everything and thought it was a bit poo poo.

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stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.





It's one of those things that you get really into once you've been watching it for a while. I think it clicks towards the end of the third series but I liked it plenty before that too.

The interview scenes in particular can be really fun. They sometimes feel like Phoenix Wright courtroom arguments.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"

The only thing I care about is catching BENT COPPERS!!!


seriously though, it's a great show which depicts how actually 'a few bad apples' in the police force corrupts the entire barrel. Not everyone is evil or, on the take, but a culture of silence, cover up and denial means that the truly bent bastards can get away with it.

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009



Spoilers for Line of Duty finale:

That was loving dogshit

tilp
Apr 7, 2010


Anti Climax 12

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009



tilp posted:

Anti Climax 12

My wife just made this exact joke lmao

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002


It was rubbish.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.





If that was actually the final episode then it's making a pretty gut punching point about the nature of systemic corruption. Which is clever but not really a great ending to the series they've been building up.

Spuckuk
Aug 11, 2009

Being a bastard works



Bogmonster posted:

Maybe it got better, but I thought the first two series were, although watchable, ultimately a bit rubbish in that way that BBC dramas sort of are. It's really hard to put my finger on, as the plot and acting are just generally OK. I think the only one I actually enjoyed was Luther and that was daft as gently caress anyway.

I think I mostly revel in just how accurate ly bent the coppers are. Its pretty daft but fun.

Spuckuk
Aug 11, 2009

Being a bastard works



stev posted:

If that was actually the final episode then it's making a pretty gut punching point about the nature of systemic corruption. Which is clever but not really a great ending to the series they've been building up.

Yeah that's my take on it as well

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.

stev posted:

If that was actually the final episode then it's making a pretty gut punching point about the nature of systemic corruption. Which is clever but not really a great ending to the series they've been building up.

This was my take as well. It's incredibly unsatisfying as a finale to six seasons of stories but the point its making about a buffoonish mediocre white man constantly failing upwards until he's Prime Minister Detective Superintendent and in a position of power that enables him to co-ordinate a series of criminal enterprises for various shitheads is certainly a fair one. And I doubt there's a more perfectly appropriate #GRATEBRITAN ending better than the mastermind turning out to be a lucky moron, for the heads of institutions to blame everything on a few bad apples, sweep it all under the rug and try and forget about it, for the only people who care about it face redundancy and/or forced retirement, and the anti-corruption team's powers to be weaker than ever before. Probably the most realistic thing the show's ever done.

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001


Oven Wrangler

In the crazy world of Line of Duty, a sober and realistic portrayal of systemic corruption and the decay of institutions which no well meaning effort can really stop is a shocking tonal shift. What about the REAL power behind the scenes the local Range Rover dealership

There must have been some covid related stuff which kept them from having Owen Teale or James Nesbitt on the set, two such big names as red herrings is a bit too much.

I was suprised that Jo got to have a happy ending, the best ending really for any of the characters with all the stuff she had been doing. It was not as bad as some but still bent as hell. But anytime Kelly MacDonald gets an ending happier then No Country For Old Men is fine with me, that was such a crushing moment.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008


No way James Nesbitt wasn't set up for a Season 7, either he faked his death, or flashbacks showing him working with Buckels that will tie into the new season.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.





So BBC's official stance is 'it could well continue':

https://twitter.com/bbcpress/status/1389140568647798784

But it feels like Jed Mercurio considers it over:

https://twitter.com/jed_mercurio/status/1388990688826638336

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.



so what's the consensus? worth starting the Line of Duty if you'd missed the hype before? not like Game of Thrones with a crap ending?

SuperTeeJay
Jun 14, 2015


stev posted:

If that was actually the final episode then it's making a pretty gut punching point about the nature of systemic corruption. Which is clever but not really a great ending to the series they've been building up.
Yarp. The series could have concluded the same way at the end of season 3 or whatever but instead we've had several more years of 'Who is H?', which wasn't going to be answered directly because no answer could provide a satisfying end to a long drama. (The chief constable, the obvious candidate, only existed this season when AC-12 were watching the TV, so who cares what happens to him?)

Without a compelling narrative, I'm not sure what LoD has going for it aside from the set piece interviews. The dialogue is turgid - 'Alright mate', 'Cheers mate' and Steve, when speaking directly to another cop in the last episode, said something absurdly robotic like 'Did you find anything in relation to one or more of the following: [names of two dudes]'. It reminds me of Sherlock - the writers know what the audience likes so will keep pushing the same buttons. (Did it make sense for Kate to flee from the shooting in episode 5? Car chase exciting so off she goes.)

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008


Cerv posted:

so what's the consensus? worth starting the Line of Duty if you'd missed the hype before? not like Game of Thrones with a crap ending?

It made Game of Thrones and Lost trend last night.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo


SuperTeeJay posted:

(Did it make sense for Kate to flee from the shooting in episode 5? Car chase exciting so off she goes.)

Probably, she wasnít sure what was going to happen, who else was going to turn up, and who was in on it. I think it makes sense but yeah itís a silly dumb show and that ending was underwhelming.

Edit: but I do enjoy it!

thehustler fucked around with this message at 16:31 on May 3, 2021

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Cerv posted:

so what's the consensus? worth starting the Line of Duty if you'd missed the hype before? not like Game of Thrones with a crap ending?

Canít speak to later seasons but I just finished the first and itís REAL fuckin good

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"


The first three seasons are really good and then for the last three seasons it got a bit too popular and started huffing it's own farts but was still enjoyable and was never actively bad. Definitely nowhere near the scale of Lost or GoT gently caress ups despite how mental people were getting on twitter last night

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.





I'd say the first four seasons are all excellent in their own right and the other two are fine. It's definitely worth watching regardless of what you think of the ending. The people screaming that the last ten years have been a massive waste of time don't seem to understand the point of TV.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Why is everyone assuming this will be the last season?

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



Don't watch Line of Duty personally, but I did watch This Time with Alan Partridge and that was also pretty disappointing so I'm feeling everyone's pain today.

(It was fiiiiiine, but the Sidekick Simon and Ruth gags were pretty much the exact same things from the first season. The closing gag was the best part.)

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.

Escobarbarian posted:

Why is everyone assuming this will be the last season?

Series 6 ties up just about every long standing question and lingering plot point, and thematically ends in a way that is grimly appropriate and believable for a programme about institutional corruption in the UK. Obviously it could get another series greenlit the second I post this (give Chloe a promotion and focus on her with Boss Smugface in charge) but it did feel like everything had been answered and wrapped up, and the end of era for the leading trio and its creator.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.





Sentinel Red posted:

Series 6 ties up just about every long standing question and lingering plot point, and thematically ends in a way that is grimly appropriate and believable for a programme about institutional corruption in the UK. Obviously it could get another series greenlit the second I post this (give Chloe a promotion and focus on her with Boss Smugface in charge) but it did feel like everything had been answered and wrapped up, and the end of era for the leading trio and its creator.

I really expected Ted's laptop to come up again. Its explanation was so weak, unless he's into porn so dodgy that he had to destroy the laptop entirely.

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019


is anyone else really into Only Connect? Seems to be the best quiz show produced rn, suprised there isnt a thread tbh

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo


Most of us love it. I have had this season just goneís winning team captain speak for us during the Edinburgh Science Festival. Dead good person, happy they won. And I didnít think the pandemic affected the show much except perhaps the wall where only the captain could touch the board.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

Haven't watched in a while but only connect is good fun. Bit less brain dead than general knowledge quiz shows and has a good sense of humour and fun without being too cruel to it's very nerdy contestants.

NO FUCK YOU DAD
Oct 23, 2008

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


Line of Duty really suffered from its writers being unable to de-escalate and having to tie every crime under the sun back to one all powerful organized crime group. Nobody on either side got a chance to breathe or take a step back, which is why Hastings went from a warning to a final written warning to a forced retirement over three seasons, and the OCG went from a believable criminal gang to a paramilitary force with sniper cover and endless Range Rovers full of machine gun toting goons getting into shootouts in the middle of a major British city over the same period.

You can have an overall program arc without having every single episode or even every series beating you over the head with it, and that's where it let itself down. Would it have been any less compelling to see Ted and the gang nail a slimy vice squad DCI for being behind the sex trafficking ring in series five? Would audiences have turned off if, as was briefly hinted at early in season four before the inevitable arrival of the Balaclava Men, Roz Huntley was "just" covering up her own crimes and those of her maybe serial killer husband?

I understand people wanting another series, but they've really left themselves nowhere to go. They can't at this point have the characters investigate something not-OCG without it being a completely different programme, so it's best they end it now and claim they're making a clever point about the nature of corruption rather than have another series on the same exponentially escalating track as the last, ending with Ted Hastings handing in his gun and badge before fighting a cyborg Chief Constable on top of the not-BT Tower.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!


I've never watched Taskmaster before, and just powered through 9 of the 10 episodes on Youtube for season 10. It's amazing and I'm overjoyed there is so much of it left for me to find and watch.

Squibsy
Dec 3, 2005

Not suited, just booted.


College Slice

NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:

Line of Duty really suffered from its writers being unable to de-escalate and having to tie every crime under the sun back to one all powerful organized crime group. Nobody on either side got a chance to breathe or take a step back, which is why Hastings went from a warning to a final written warning to a forced retirement over three seasons, and the OCG went from a believable criminal gang to a paramilitary force with sniper cover and endless Range Rovers full of machine gun toting goons getting into shootouts in the middle of a major British city over the same period.

You can have an overall program arc without having every single episode or even every series beating you over the head with it, and that's where it let itself down. Would it have been any less compelling to see Ted and the gang nail a slimy vice squad DCI for being behind the sex trafficking ring in series five? Would audiences have turned off if, as was briefly hinted at early in season four before the inevitable arrival of the Balaclava Men, Roz Huntley was "just" covering up her own crimes and those of her maybe serial killer husband?

I understand people wanting another series, but they've really left themselves nowhere to go. They can't at this point have the characters investigate something not-OCG without it being a completely different programme, so it's best they end it now and claim they're making a clever point about the nature of corruption rather than have another series on the same exponentially escalating track as the last, ending with Ted Hastings handing in his gun and badge before fighting a cyborg Chief Constable on top of the not-BT Tower.

Escalation is the scourge of episodic narrative. It ruins almost everything because it's so poorly understood.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

I will say - again from the perspective of someone whoís only finished season 1 - that parts of it definitely reminded me of my biggest issue with Bodyguard, a show that had a good smaller story and then ruined it with this ridiculous over-the-top Machiavellian conspiracy thing. The drug-running gang in LoD season 1, who I assume are the same group from the rest of the show, definitely had these elements, seeming almost supernaturally smart and with weird lovely kid accomplices, but it was definitely way better at handling it than Bodyguard. These criticisms definitely make me wonder if it falls into the same traps later on.

Dell_Zincht
Nov 5, 2003

lEt'S mOsEy





Gromit posted:

I've never watched Taskmaster before, and just powered through 9 of the 10 episodes on Youtube for season 10. It's amazing and I'm overjoyed there is so much of it left for me to find and watch.

Series 10 is the first series they did when it moved to Channel 4. It has a slightly bigger budget and it shows with several new task locations.

Series 1 is piss funny but feels a bit like a pilot series as the show was finding its feet. It's probably the best series until series 5 though. Series 5 is just incredible, mainly thanks to Bob Mortimer and Sally Phillips.

Series.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.





Squibsy posted:

Escalation is the scourge of episodic narrative. It ruins almost everything because it's so poorly understood.

I think escalation could have worked if the show focused more on the systemic corruption (how deep does this rabbit hole go?!) and less on the infinite waves of balaclava men.

Mr Beens
Dec 2, 2006


stev posted:

I think escalation could have worked if the show focused more on the systemic corruption (how deep does this rabbit hole go?!) and less on the infinite waves of balaclava men.

Who they never show being interrogated to, you know, find out who they work for, known associates etc.

AttitudeAdjuster
May 2, 2010


Line of Duty would have worked better if each series had been a self contained investigation.

Instead we got this absurdly self-referential, over-the-top mess sustained apparently because nobody wanted to be the first to admit that it was poo poo and only the first couple of series were any good.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo


I am disappointed we didn't get more on older Ryan Pilkington. How did he turn from a foul-mouthed little poo poo into somebody seemingly capable of deception and with some social skills etc. I found him an interesting character.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012



thehustler posted:

Most of us love it. I have had this season just goneís winning team captain speak for us during the Edinburgh Science Festival. Dead good person, happy they won. And I didnít think the pandemic affected the show much except perhaps the wall where only the captain could touch the board.

Are you referring to Katie motherfucking Steckles? Tbh I was just rooting for her team because the name "Katie Steckles" is amazing. Also, I appreciated that it seems like she didn't give that much of a poo poo.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment




Dell_Zincht posted:

Series 10 is the first series they did when it moved to Channel 4. It has a slightly bigger budget and it shows with several new task locations.

Series 1 is piss funny but feels a bit like a pilot series as the show was finding its feet. It's probably the best series until series 5 though. Series 5 is just incredible, mainly thanks to Bob Mortimer and Sally Phillips.

Series.

That said - if you ask five people which Taskmaster series is best, you'll get five answers, so just watch all of it, it's never bad.

I persuaded my mum to watch it and then she came to me not even two weeks later and said, is there more? And I said yeah, you can watch the older ones on-- and she interrupted me no, I've watched all of it, are they *making* more. This is not a woman who usually binges anything.

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thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo


Comrade Fakename posted:

Are you referring to Katie motherfucking Steckles? Tbh I was just rooting for her team because the name "Katie Steckles" is amazing. Also, I appreciated that it seems like she didn't give that much of a poo poo.

Aye, we walk in similar circles. It's a great name. Also yeah, she has resting "not-bothered" face. The whole time we hosted her I just assumed she was having a poo poo time.

She does good work for promotion of maths and STEM etc, maths in the pub nights, etc.

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