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So the consumer Coffee Lake boards are just recently starting to trickle into channel, but evidently still won't be available in volume until April. The B360, H310, and H370.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So the consumer Coffee Lake boards are just recently starting to trickle into channel, but evidently still won't be available in volume until April. The B360, H310, and H370. So were the rumors of Z390 boards just bullshit?
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Feb 24, 2018 03:55
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My x299 motherboard has posted a new BIOS version with the following descriptionquote:- Update Intel Micro code for security vulnerabilities
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Mar 1, 2018 02:10
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https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/21/17036626/intel-spectre-patch-chip-update-7th-8th-gen I wouldn't trust it. Latest fixed microcode only came out a week ago.
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Mar 1, 2018 02:57
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Space Racist posted:So were the rumors of Z390 boards just bullshit? It's entirely possible they were going to be a real thing until Intel was forced to acknowledge their 10nm process just isn't ready for prime time yet. Who knows, they still might be - they could come out with three 'goosed' 8x50K SKUs just to tempt people waiting for the octacores. I think it'll ultimately depend on the Ryzen refresh and whatever AMD leaks about Ryzen II.
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Mar 1, 2018 05:34
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Space Racist posted:So were the rumors of Z390 boards just bullshit? VCZ still thinks Z390 is happening, but not soon.
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Mar 1, 2018 15:22
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Looks like they're starting to incorporate the Spectre-fixed BIOS' within Windows Update now: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/microsoft-will-soon-start-shipping-the-intel-spectre-microcode-fixes/ https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4090007/intel-microcode-updates That's convenient, even if it is a really slow roll-out.
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Mar 2, 2018 04:57
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PUBLIC TOILET posted:That's convenient, even if it is a really slow roll-out. Well, it's more "we can't abolish the OEM no matter how much they prove they deserve it (we tried 😭) so I guess we'll have to do those assholes' work for them".
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Mar 2, 2018 10:14
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I can imagine the sheer amount of fingerpointing between MS and Intel against each other on Meltdown/Spectre
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Mar 5, 2018 10:07
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Coffeelake on 100 / 200 series chipsets No real surprise.
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Mar 5, 2018 11:32
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That will be so bugfixed in microcode even faster than Meltdown did
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Mar 5, 2018 12:57
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The modder says he couldn't get six-cores working right because of the power requirements, so it's not as big a deal as the article's title implies, since all it'd allow is for people with 100/200 chipsets to pick up cheap(er) 8350Ks if they didn't already have a 4C/8T CPU.
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Mar 5, 2018 13:59
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There will be probably some cryptic technical reasons on why 6-core CFL won't work on 100/200 chipsets but power limit is definitely not one of them especially at stock.
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Mar 5, 2018 14:06
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The story as told der8auer in some leaked german video of an Asus launch event (as far as I remember, so  ): CFL chips use previously reserved/unassigned pins on the socket for Vcc/Vcore to handle higher power consumption. Every Z170/Z270 motherboard manufacturers handled these unused socket pins differently, so some are indeed able to run CFL with just a BIOS update. Others assigned the reserved pins as sensing or even GND pins, meaning that inserting a CFL cpu into those sockets connects Vcc to GND through the processor and that's, uh, a problem. The solution was a completely new chipset (Z370) as to not screw certain motherboard manufacturers over for something that's not really their fault (the assignment of the previously reserved pins). If that's the real story then I don't think Intel feels the need to shut down these Z170/Z270 modifications.
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Mar 5, 2018 16:14
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AIDA64 just name-dropped Z390 in their release notes so it's definitely going to be a thing, eventually.
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Mar 9, 2018 21:20
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So I'm looking to get a new cpu and would like to not get gouged on it. I like high end gaming and photo editing. I also don't overclock. My last cpu was a i5 4690. Anything I should be looking at that's already out/coming out soon? I'd prefer an Intel chip. My h97plus but it got stuck in this eternal reboot cycle and now can't recognize any of my ssd's so I'm kind of hosed with my current setup.
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Mar 12, 2018 03:13
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8700 non k is good
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Mar 12, 2018 03:47
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Pastry Mistakes posted:So I'm looking to get a new cpu and would like to not get gouged on it. I like high end gaming and photo editing. I also don't overclock. PC Building/Upgrading/Parts-picking Megathread Reloaded OP is a little out of date but get a Z370 board with an i5-8400 or i7-8700K, DDR4 ram, etc. You will be surprised by RAM and GPU prices.
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Mar 12, 2018 04:38
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An i5 4690 is still a pretty good CPU. Especially if you overclock it for some free performance. You'll be gaining sub-15% performance increases, if that. Up to you if that's worth the money or not.
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Mar 12, 2018 15:45
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I guess this might be why AMD didn't talk a lot of poo poo during the Spectre/Meltdown fiasco: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/13-critical-security-vulnerabilities-and-manufacturer-backdoors-discovered-in-amd-ryzen-processors.html
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Mar 13, 2018 21:36
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Yeah, I'd probably wait it out a bit, since this looks a whole lot like a smear campaign.
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Mar 13, 2018 21:48
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I resent the implication that Intel would do anything unethical
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Mar 13, 2018 22:08
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Combat Pretzel posted:Yeah, I'd probably wait it out a bit, since this looks a whole lot like a smear campaign. Yeah, this is absurdly suspicious.
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Mar 13, 2018 22:20
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Not saying it is Intel. Given the involvement of Viceroy Research, it seems like there's also the idea going around of trying to play the stock market.
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Mar 13, 2018 22:27
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I guess this might be why AMD didn't talk a lot of poo poo during the Spectre/Meltdown fiasco: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/13-critical-security-vulnerabilities-and-manufacturer-backdoors-discovered-in-amd-ryzen-processors.html Oh, you can bypass "Secure Boot" on Ryzen? That's pretty cool. So are there any negative effects?
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Mar 13, 2018 22:54
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Could hackers use this code to issue a vigilante update to make the system not vulnerable? I guess, the better question is, can AMD fix any of this with a patch?
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Mar 14, 2018 08:26
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Looking like this is a private hit job to manipulate stock with what is largely a nothingburger.
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Mar 14, 2018 17:05
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PerrineClostermann posted:Looking like this is a private hit job to manipulate stock with what is largely a noyhingburger. I'm inclined to agree.
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Mar 14, 2018 18:19
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If we see these patched out like normal bugs in a month or two, yeah nothing  Are these silicon-only fixes? I'm not thinking so....
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Mar 14, 2018 22:29
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Potato Salad posted:If we see these patched out like normal bugs in a month or two, yeah nothing I don't even see the point in rushing to patch this stuff. All of these "exploits" require elevated privileges and/or physically flashing a vendor signed bios patch. It's like pointing out that if someone beats you up and steals your wallet they'll have access to your bank cards. No poo poo.
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Mar 14, 2018 22:51
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The only one where they provided any proof, and the one where AMD would most stand to lose money, was the Epyc exploit; and that requires administrator privileges and a cooperative driver to attack the PSP. So companies like Microsoft and Wechat who are buying Epyc for their cloud backends will simply have to hire admins they can trust to not just hurrdurrrhurr install random drivers they find online. Such a loss. It is mostly using a lot of features that work as intended to pull off a hack that is persistently loaded in firmware and would survive OS reinstalls. But to do that, you would need to know enough about the target system and have the skill to create an exploit-laden BIOS and either load it onto the system yourself or fool the admin into flashing it for you. The only real way to do that discreetly and remotely without a cooperative idiot would be using Spectre, but we've been talking about that for 70 days now without any real exploits in the wild. "You can patch official BIOSes to do poo poo and possibly scam someone into flashing one" isn't really a manufacturer exploit. I used someone's patched BIOS and then patched my own later on my primary everyday machine in order to run OSX in the days when people used Chameleon (legacy bootloader) because Clover (UEFI bootloader) wasn't ready yet. That the machine won't insist on vendor-issued BIOS and can flash a file that was user-modified isn't necessarily a bug, and only counts as an exploit if the sack of meat and bones between the keyboard and floor is incompetent enough to misuse it. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Mar 15, 2018 01:40
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Microsoft has released a new version of their optional (only available via the Update Catalog) microcode update. It now contains updates for more CPUs: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4090007/intel-microcode-updates
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Mar 15, 2018 12:00
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"Bad things can happen... if you give untrusted poo poo privileges!" Yeah no loving poo poo. I wonder how heavily people will buy into this. I hope it falls flat and people just move on.
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Mar 15, 2018 17:24
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Intel has now come out and said that Cascade Lake (the next Xeon/HEDT platform) and the new desktop product refresh due at the end of this year (Cannon Lake? Ice Lake?) will be hardware immune to Meltdown and Spectre v2. https://www.anandtech.com/show/12533/intel-spectre-meltdown
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Mar 15, 2018 18:36
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Anything known about it apart from the VNNI instructions coming with it?
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Mar 15, 2018 21:12
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So I've been out of the loop since I built my 4770K system a while back with having 2 kids and all. What did I miss? Nanomachines?
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Mar 20, 2018 17:40
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Shaocaholica posted:So I've been out of the loop since I built my 4770K system a while back with having 2 kids and all. Coffee lake (8000 series) boosted core counts to compete with Ryzen
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Mar 20, 2018 17:58
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Speaking of MORE COREZ, an 8-core Coffee Lake machine showed up in the 3DMark database: https://videocardz.com/75458/intel-coffee-lake-s-processor-with-8-cores-spotted-for-the-first-time
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Mar 20, 2018 18:08
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Shaocaholica posted:So I've been out of the loop since I built my 4770K system a while back with having 2 kids and all. mewse posted:Coffee lake (8000 series) boosted core counts to compete with Ryzen Other than a higher core count, the performance is pretty comparable to the 4000 series, honestly. I didn't have a very good use case to replace my 2500k until recently with the 8700k. The 4770k is probably not worth replacing quite yet unless there is something specific you're doing.
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Oh I’m not replacing the 4770. I just dumped a bunch of bad(?) money into upgrading it to more ram and bigger newer SSD.
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