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Anime Schoolgirl posted:OEMs are mainly unhappy with Intel not supplying as many CPUs as they're used to, which has been documented over the past month over their 14nm volume shortages. Not sure what else you're extrapolating from that weekly. I'm not extrapolating anything, it's laid out pretty bare in front of you and is classic wishful thinking journalism. It's 'technically' two separate news stories; AMD wanting people to think they're at equal parity with Intel and can get 30% of the market by the end of this quarter, which is laughable. Steve even says it's stretching reality. But then he says they "certainly can happen in the next months", which is still laughable. Me winning the powerball is something that could certainly happen too. I shouldn't need to tell you that neither of those are going to happen. From Q1 of 2017 to right now, for all the many, many problems Intel has handwrapped the opportunity for AMD to capitalize on it, they've managed to gain back less than 1% of desktop market share. The next story is OEMs grumbling about not having enough precious Intel chips, which isn't added right after the first story out of sheer coincidence, and is meant to reinforce his previous belief that AMD is "certainly capable of" literal, unprecedented meteoric rise. I shouldn't need to tell you that approximately zero of these OEMs are in actual danger of dropping Intel for AMD. Virtually every sentence he says is pure conjecture such as "Notebook OEMs are stuck waiting on Whiskey and Amber Lake and may become very interested in AMD's Raven Ridge". As other researchers are saying, if Intel had the single worst quarter they've had since 2000's and AMD had the single greatest quarter they've had, at the same exact time, AMD would still not even come close to 30% market share. I don't even buy AMD and I still want them to succeed, but making up ridiculous horse poo poo and then half assedly supporting it while pretending you aren't like GN did in that weekly is just horrific journalism. Hold The Ashes fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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tell me about the milkman conspiracy edit seriously in the same loving video steve also spends 15 seconds on how that was wishful loving thinking on amd's part, this isn't hard Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Oct 14, 2018 |
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Oct 14, 2018 19:26
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:tell me about the milkman conspiracy He says it's wishful thinking in this quarter. He immediately says it's a certain possibility in the months after it. You know, seconds after what you're saying you managed to hear. It isn't hard.
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Hold The Ashes posted:He says it's wishful thinking in this quarter. He immediately says it's a certain possibility in the months after it. You know, seconds after what you're saying you managed to hear. It isn't hard.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:you seem to have a habit of reading way more into what's being said than what's actually been said and not just in this topic so i think i'll just leave it at that Don't worry nobody noticed you suddenly reverting to no punctuation or capitalization after your ADD flared up and couldn't let you focus on the two seconds after someone said something.
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Hold The Ashes posted:He says it's wishful thinking in this quarter. He immediately says it's a certain possibility in the months after it. You know, seconds after what you're saying you managed to hear. It isn't hard. who the gently caress are you and why are you suddenly making GBS threads up all the hardware threads
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i love me some good projection but i don't think this is the place or time for that on your part *furiously replies struggling to reach that vaunted 10 page of posts* "If I can just ninja edit enough posts I'll be able to avoid someone wondering why I just said listening to something someone said two seconds after what I lost my poo poo over is reading too much into things"
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Hold The Ashes posted:*furiously replies struggling to reach that vaunted 10 page of posts* have you tried calmly sitting down and maybe asking your general provider about this
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TheFluff posted:i7-8700K: I posted about it a few days ago, but since then prices in my country have gone up even more and now a 8700K is over 200 euros more expensive than a 2700x. You can buy a brand new 1080ti (the freshly fallen off a truck kind) for cheaper. Meanwhile the 8400 is now the same price as the 2700x and you have to wait a week for delivery
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TheFluff posted:who the gently caress are you and why are you suddenly making GBS threads up all the hardware threads he really seems to like getting in dumb name calling arguments despite nobody giving a poo poo about what hes talking about
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Oh did a /g/ threadshitter get an account, nice
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Oh did a /g/ threadshitter get an account, nice  "
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I mean, sometimes things come back around full circle, you know? Since it's new CPU season for Intel, I'm once again interested in some of the market segmentation that's been done again with this new gen. While it's pretty cool to see 16MB of unified L3 cache on the top 9900K part, is it really a necessary number over the 12MB on the 9700K given that the only difference between the two (core clocks aside) is hyperthreading? Is this another one of those situations where a chunk of SRAM really only provides a marginal percentage of synthetic performance improvement which then translates into negligible performance difference in real-world apps/VM environments?
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Since it's new CPU season for Intel, I'm once again interested in some of the market segmentation that's been done again with this new gen. While it's pretty cool to see 16MB of unified L3 cache on the top 9900K part, is it really a necessary number over the 12MB on the 9700K given that the only difference between the two (core clocks aside) is hyperthreading? Is this another one of those situations where a chunk of SRAM really only provides a marginal percentage of synthetic performance improvement which then translates into negligible performance difference in real-world apps/VM environments? I guarantee you the 9700K and 9900K are the same physical design with some of the SRAM disabled by fuses on the 9700K. This isn't new, Intel has been doing this kind of segmentation for ages. Also it's not unified AFAIK. It should still be a slice per core (2MB on 9900K, 1.5MB on 9700K) where access to the L3 slices of remote cores is slower than local since the request and response have to take a trip through the ring bus. e: to add, the size of the L3 slices hasn't changed from last gen, it was 2MB or 1.5MB per core before too. e2: it's possible that they may be doing some yield optimization by selling parts with damaged cache subarrays as 9700K, but it's hard for an outsider to say one way or another. Large caches are generally the largest structures in a CPU and therefore have the highest chance of a defect. It's super common for any large SRAM array to be split up into subarrays with some redundancy so that you can use fuse bits to selectively disable the bad subarrays and yield a fully functional SRAM of the desired size. In this case, Intel might be doing something akin to that, except instead of always having redundant memory they just sell the parts which didn't yield full size L3 SRAM arrays as models with smaller L3 caches. Exactly what choices they made in this area were driven by the defect density of their 14nm+++ process, e.g. if they expected a relatively high defect density they might need to have redundancy providing more than 2MB raw storage per L3 SRAM slice in order to yield any real volume of parts that can have 2MB functional per core. On the other hand, if defect density is low enough they could design the 2MB array with no redundancy and expect to yield enough perfect chips to sell a reasonable number of 9900Ks, while being able to salvage the not-perfect ones as 9700K. BobHoward fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Who buys an SA account in 2017?
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BobHoward posted:I guarantee you the 9700K and 9900K are the same physical design with some of the SRAM disabled by fuses on the 9700K. This isn't new, Intel has been doing this kind of segmentation for ages. Ah right, I forgot how much real estate memory could take up. Though Intel says the L3 is Intel Smart Cache, which can apparently be split off in unstated amounts from the full pile for any core to use. It's apparently on the new HEDT line too--is there more to it than that? EDIT:  Confirmed each core can in theory use all 16MB on the 9900K (pardon the messy screencap of the wccf recording). I knew I saw it somewhere! Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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TheFluff posted:who the gently caress are you and why are you suddenly making GBS threads up all the hardware threads Yeah it pretty much came out of nowhere and he is reading into poo poo that nobody is implying so he starts tail spinning every loving time. He's like Benjy on the Howard Stern show if anyone listens. Anime Schoolgirl posted:you seem to have a habit of reading way more into what's being said than what's actually been said and not just in this topic so i think i'll just leave it at that Oh well here we are saying the same thing, hah. But staying on topic I have decided to not move from an 8700k to a 9900k strictly due to price. gently caress that. I should have done that with the 2080ti but I didn't. It took two rapid fire hits of "gently caress you" from the top hardware producers for me to close my wallet. If the 9900k came out before the 2080ti I probably would have gotten a 9900k and not a 2080ti. Aeka 2.0 fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:Who buys an SA account in 2017? People that were banned. Maybe AMD could hit that 30% a year from now if Intel continues doing terribly. Maybe.
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I'm pretty excited to see AMD's laptop offerings, because Ryzen+Vega is a pretty solid setup for the thin-and-light segments that don't really support a dGPU very well.
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Preordered my 9900k off Amazon, I hope it ships soon! The rumors of ~5.3ghz on water have me aroused.
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rage-saq posted:Preordered my 9900k off Amazon, I hope it ships soon! The rumors of ~5.3ghz on water have me aroused. I sent a query to Noctua about the potential difficulties inherent in the EVGA DARK board having a 90 degree rotation on the socket, and it seems that that *will* effect the use of their air coolers. Seems a D15S will be the best option, since the D15 likely won't work with dual 140s. The D15S *might* work with the 140 in the middle and a 120 up top. I'm also looking into direct downflow single-stack coolers since I don't think blowing down onto the power delivery circuitry would be a bad thing. https://noctua.at/en/mainboard/EVGA_Z390_Dark I do wish EVGA would be more forthcoming about green-lit HSFs for the board, or at least release detailed dimensions so it's not a matter of guesswork or trial and error.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I sent a query to Noctua about the potential difficulties inherent in the EVGA DARK board having a 90 degree rotation on the socket, and it seems that that *will* effect the use of their air coolers. Seems a D15S will be the best option, since the D15 likely won't work with dual 140s. The D15S *might* work with the 140 in the middle and a 120 up top. I'm also looking into direct downflow single-stack coolers since I don't think blowing down onto the power delivery circuitry would be a bad thing. I’m reusing my Maximus Formula X and my custom loop. Give me all the Hz!
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Overclockers.co.ukhave changed their 9900k preorders to include an intel starter pack. Not particularly interested in Black Op4 but have no idea what Evasion is. Also curious what’s included with Adobe. Unfortunatly the poster included is tiny af, so can’t read the actual details. Tried googling it myself to no avail. Anyone do a better job describing it?
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I sent a query to Noctua about the potential difficulties inherent in the EVGA DARK board having a 90 degree rotation on the socket, and it seems that that *will* effect the use of their air coolers. Seems a D15S will be the best option, since the D15 likely won't work with dual 140s. The D15S *might* work with the 140 in the middle and a 120 up top. I'm also looking into direct downflow single-stack coolers since I don't think blowing down onto the power delivery circuitry would be a bad thing. I tried the D15S with the 140mm/120mm setup because my case/ram limits the size of the front fan and found that the combination is a lot louder than the stock single fan setup while only lowering temps by 1-2 Celsius under full load. YMMV. Gigabyte published a OC guide with numbers. It‘s only a matter of time until „enthusiasts“ start to complain that the soldered 9-Series CPUs are too hard to delid. https://www.techpowerup.com/248595/gigabyte-z390-oc-guide-suggests-intel-9000-series-processors-will-run-hot-even-with-custom-watercooling
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Eararaldor posted:Overclockers.co.ukhave changed their 9900k preorders to include an intel starter pack. Not particularly interested in Black Op4 but have no idea what Evasion is. Also curious what’s included with Adobe. Unfortunatly the poster included is tiny af, so can’t read the actual details. Here's the bundle: https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/intel/cod-blackops-4 Basically CoD Black Ops 4, Killing Floor 2, Evasion, 2 months subscription of Adobe Creative Cloud Photograph and 1 month of Adobe Acrobat Pro DC. Ahdinko fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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eames posted:Gigabyte published a OC guide with numbers. It‘s only a matter of time until „enthusiasts“ start to complain that the soldered 9-Series CPUs are too hard to delid. How much would we even expect liquid metal to help that situation vs. solder, a couple degrees? It seems like the real fundamental issue is pushing 200+W after overclock through the same area that 95W quad cores used to sit in.
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Ahdinko posted:Here's the bundle: Ah Evasion is a VR game. Ok cool, not sure the two months of Creative Cloud would be worth a bother though.
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eames posted:I tried the D15S with the 140mm/120mm setup because my case/ram limits the size of the front fan and found that the combination is a lot louder than the stock single fan setup while only lowering temps by 1-2 Celsius under full load. YMMV. That guide (here if you want to read it) is bizarre though, especially if you're planning to use it for a daily overclock. They start off with disabling C-states and SpeedShift, which means that instead of idling at 800MHz with very little power consumption, the CPU will be running all cores at 5GHz all the time at the full voltage. This is a terrible idea and will run hot all the time. It might help somewhat if you're trying to squeeze out the last few dozens of MHz under liquid nitrogen or something, and it might've been useful for older CPU's (like Core 2 Q6600 and older), but for a daily overclock today it's crazy. Raising TjMax is also a terrible idea - you shouldn't be running at 100C regularly anyway. Then there's the fact that the guide isn't even really overclocking in the first place since the 9900K already has a 5.0GHz stock turbo! You probably don't have to set voltage manually at all to get it to do 5GHz on all core, but here they set a fixed vcore instead of using adaptive mode like a sane person. Benchmarking using Prime95's small FFT isn't really useful either. The temperature data is kinda weird too. As far as I can tell from the screenshot they're "only" pushing ~240W to the CPU, which in itself sounds perfectly reasonable and expected. My delidded 8700K draws ~180W in the same scenario with similar voltages, and 240W is ~33% more power for ~33% more cores - very reasonable. However, when I do that I get around 70-75C under a NH-D15, and a custom water loop should have one hell of a lot more heat dissipation than that, so either the solder is terrible or there's something weird with their setup.
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I‘d run that CPU at 5.1-5.2 GHz at 1.375V adaptive with a 180W TDP limit. That should only throttle at very high load situations where I‘d prefer efficiency over performance (video rendering). As for solder vs. LM, i guess direct comparison of the 9600K vs a delidded 8600K will show? Iirc der8auer said in one of his Ryzen/TR that solder is closer to good regular TIM than liquid metal because the solder has to be quite thick (1mm). Obviously there are all the other advantages (no delidding, no degradation, warranty).
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TheFluff posted:That guide (here if you want to read it) is bizarre though, especially if you're planning to use it for a daily overclock. They start off with disabling C-states and SpeedShift, which means that instead of idling at 800MHz with very little power consumption, the CPU will be running all cores at 5GHz all the time at the full voltage. This is a terrible idea and will run hot all the time. It might help somewhat if you're trying to squeeze out the last few dozens of MHz under liquid nitrogen or something, and it might've been useful for older CPU's (like Core 2 Q6600 and older), but for a daily overclock today it's crazy. Raising TjMax is also a terrible idea - you shouldn't be running at 100C regularly anyway. I think some of the biggest concerns this comparison raises is the ~93c core temps under a full water cooling setup and raising the question of is the STIM material greatly inferior to LM. My delidded 8700k @ 5.1ghz using LM with full overkill custom loop running prime95 hits about 68c core temp which translates into a ~38c delta-T over ambient while the water cooling temp holds at ~2-3c delta-T over ambient. Hits about 185w during this time. Running 91-93c with a good water cooling setup would be a considerable increase and show about a 61-63c delta-T over ambient, which is pretty drat close to un-delidded performance. I’ll find out soon-ish I guess.
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Anyone buying i9 9900k in Canada? Amazon.com is shipping it internationally but wondering if there is anywhere else with a better deal.
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My buddy literally just informed me he preordered his off newegg.ca, but I imagine that’s an international order as well. I’m curious myself, I won’t be able to build my new PC for 2 weeks anyway due to being away at work, but I’d like to put an order in because these are going to be hard to come by for awhile.
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Sergeant Steiner posted:My buddy literally just informed me he preordered his off newegg.ca, but I imagine that’s an international order as well. I’m curious myself, I won’t be able to build my new PC for 2 weeks anyway due to being away at work, but I’d like to put an order in because these are going to be hard to come by for awhile. Newegg.ca has a warehouse in Markham (just outside of toronto) and one in BC somewhere as well. They probably get stock independently of their u.s. counterpart. They certainly don't stock anything like the same number of products.
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Thanks for the heads up. I remember placing an order from there years ago and some items shipped from Canada and other parts were sourced from States. Looking at the website now they are just listing the 9900k as out of stock anyway.
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Didn’t Newegg.ca just have a privacy breach or was that just in the states? After that and the whole (ongoing) NCIX debacle I am really hesitant to order from online pc retailers.
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priznat posted:Didn’t Newegg.ca just have a privacy breach or was that just in the states? After that and the whole (ongoing) NCIX debacle I am really hesitant to order from online pc retailers. Retailers can be split into two major groups: Those that had breaches, and those that didn't tell you about theirs. Just don't worry about it, and you'll be fine. Until you won't , but meh ... not like worrying about it helps in any way.
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