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VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?


I currently have a delidded 8700K, and my brother has an 8400. We are both using mITX boards/cases.

At this point, it looks like the 10600K is basically an 8700K, the 10700K is a 9900K and the 10900K is a new 10-thread beast that's going to thermal throttle itself into oblivion if it even hears the word ITX.

I don't think there are huge gains from upgrading from an 8700K, but my brother has been complaining about frame drops in some games... so maybe get a 9700K for him at some point?

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Nutsak
Jul 20, 2005
All balls.

You might want to see if it's his graphics card bottlenecking his system first. I'm running a 4790k and a 1070 and in theory I need to replace the graphics card to get better FPS in the games I play.
I'm planning on grabbing a 10600k* only because I'll need to replace my motherboard/ram anyway so I may as well get the new socket now, and one of the new 3-series Nvidia cards later.

*which can apparently be overclocked to match the performance of a stock 10900k...

Laslow
Jul 18, 2007



Nutsak posted:

You might want to see if it's his graphics card bottlenecking his system first. I'm running a 4790k and a 1070 and in theory I need to replace the graphics card to get better FPS in the games I play.
I'm planning on grabbing a 10600k* only because I'll need to replace my motherboard/ram anyway so I may as well get the new socket now, and one of the new 3-series Nvidia cards later.

*which can apparently be overclocked to match the performance of a stock 10900k...
Iím on a 1276v3(basically a 4790) and Iím gonna wait until DDR5 until I replace it since Iím on a 4K monitor and will have to run games in 1080p until nVidia catches up anyway, and Iím not springing for a 3080 Ti, they can eat my rear end.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


I can't imagine upgrading after 2 CPU generations. I guess when I was in high school or college my hardware moved faster. Right now I'm still on 4th gen

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014



College Slice

still using a Gulftown

ratbert90
Feb 12, 2009
JUST FUCKING STOP, JESUS H. CHRIST


Shaocaholica posted:

I can't imagine upgrading after 2 CPU generations. I guess when I was in high school or college my hardware moved faster. Right now I'm still on 4th gen

Is it time to upgrade my Tbird?

Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


FuturePastNow posted:

still using a Gulftown

My second tier server is a HP Z400 running a X5650 (upgraded from a W3565), although the DIMMs have started making GBS threads the bed en mass now, had two failures in three months and I think a third one just failed. At least itís DDR3 so I still have a chance of finding some new-ish DIMMs.

It actually outlived its replacement, the DIY microserver I built poo poo the bed due to the USB-to-SATA adapter I was booting from, and the Z400 was taking up the slack. have a X99 WS/IPMI and a 1660v3 to replace it but Iíve talked myself into a Fractal 7 XL to replace it instead of the random case I was going to use, but not quite into spending the money yet, as this month has been

Once I get that fixed the Z400 will become a machine for hosting my SCSI card to drive my ancient 4x5 scanner and maybe for the firewire if I ever get a nice Nikon film scanner for 120/35mm, so... it will live on.

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 17:18 on May 27, 2020

Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009


End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made



Lipstick Apathy

I apologize if this has been answered but would a 6700k be a reasonable upgrade from a 6600k or am I looking at buying a new mobo/processor

Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


Cage Kicker posted:

I apologize if this has been answered but would a 6700k be a reasonable upgrade from a 6600k or am I looking at buying a new mobo/processor

at this point you're pretty much throwing good money after bad, just pony up for a 3600 and a new mobo.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Cage Kicker posted:

I apologize if this has been answered but would a 6700k be a reasonable upgrade from a 6600k or am I looking at buying a new mobo/processor

If you can get it for <$50, sure, why not? If you mean is it worth the $300 that retailers seem to want for it ($250 on eBay, $175ish used), then no, it is not. As Paul said, just get a 3600 + mobo for about the same price.

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



Paul MaudDib posted:

My second tier server is a HP Z400 running a X5650 (upgraded from a W3565), although the DIMMs have started making GBS threads the bed en mass now, had two failures in three months and I think a third one just failed. At least itís DDR3 so I still have a chance of finding some new-ish DIMMs.

It actually outlived its replacement, the DIY microserver I built poo poo the bed due to the USB-to-SATA adapter I was booting from, and the Z400 was taking up the slack. have a X99 WS/IPMI and a 1660v3 to replace it but Iíve talked myself into a Fractal 7 XL to replace it instead of the random case I was going to use, but not quite into spending the money yet, as this month has been

Once I get that fixed the Z400 will become a machine for hosting my SCSI card to drive my ancient 4x5 scanner and maybe for the firewire if I ever get a nice Nikon film scanner for 120/35mm, so... it will live on.
I've been looking at X5690s on ebay for my server to replace the E5620s - they're insanely cheap and aside from the IPC improvements between Westmere-EP and Sandy Bridge it's basically the same CPU as what I have in my current workstation/gaming machine, as far as I can tell. Just a tad bit noisier.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


ratbert90 posted:

Is it time to upgrade my Tbird?

This is the Intel thread homie

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


I still think the Intel and AMD threads should be collapsed into a single x86 thread.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I still think the Intel and AMD threads should be collapsed into a single x86 thread.

then start poo poo against an ARM thread

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

A Very Useful Person



Fun Shoe

Agreed to both.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004









Fun Shoe

Figures that's what the intel thread would say about now

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



ARM in the datacenter is the 2010s equivalent of Linux on the desktop

ratbert90
Feb 12, 2009
JUST FUCKING STOP, JESUS H. CHRIST


Shaocaholica posted:

This is the Intel thread homie

Sorry! Is it time to upgrade my Prescott? I think I have a failing RDRAM module.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


ratbert90 posted:

Sorry! Is it time to upgrade my Prescott? I think I have a failing RDRAM module.

My dual core dual socket 90nm Netburst Xeons are fine for daily driving

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

A Very Useful Person



Fun Shoe

It's linux in the data center and arm on the desktop!

Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


D. Ebdrup posted:

I've been looking at X5690s on ebay for my server to replace the E5620s - they're insanely cheap and aside from the IPC improvements between Westmere-EP and Sandy Bridge it's basically the same CPU as what I have in my current workstation/gaming machine, as far as I can tell. Just a tad bit noisier.

like usual, the top Westmere SKUs have a very steep price increase for a pretty small increase in performance. Last I checked the X5670 was $20 and the X5690 was still like $90. I think that's not money well-spent there, the X5670 absolutely makes sense for a cheap performance boost on existing hardware but if you're going to drop an additional $140 (for two CPUs) for basically 300 MHz more clock, that's a signal that you actually do care about performance/efficiency/etc and I think you're better off trying to move to something newer.

it's ultimately your money though and if you want to cram on a bunch of cheap RAM and you don't want to shell out for Sandy Bridge-E or Haswell-E then maybe it makes sense.

Food for thought though, a 1660v3 is basically $150 at this point, can take ECC RDIMMs, and overclocked to 4 GHz or so the 8 Haswell-E cores will absolutely cream the 12 Westmere cores on the X5650. Even if they aren't "dedicated cores", it can still task swap and perform better than the 12 dedicated cores on Westmere. Or you can see if there are still any deals on those dual-socket Intel server boards and do a dual 2650v3 build or whatever.

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 27, 2020

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



Paul MaudDib posted:

like usual, the top Westmere SKUs have a very steep price increase for a pretty small increase in performance. Last I checked the X5670 was $20 and the X5690 was still like $90. I think that's not money well-spent there, the X5670 absolutely makes sense for a cheap performance boost on existing hardware but if you're going to drop an additional $140 (for two CPUs) for basically 300 MHz more clock, that's a signal that you actually do care about performance/efficiency/etc and I think you're better off trying to move to something newer.

it's ultimately your money though and if you want to cram on a bunch of cheap RAM and you don't want to shell out for Sandy Bridge-E or Haswell-E then maybe it makes sense.

Food for thought though, a 1660v3 is basically $150 at this point, can take ECC RDIMMs, and overclocked to 4 GHz or so the 8 Haswell-E cores will absolutely cream the 12 Westmere cores on the X5650. Even if they aren't "dedicated cores", it can still task swap and perform better than the 12 dedicated cores on Westmere. Or you can see if there are still any deals on those dual-socket Intel server boards and do a dual 2650v3 build or whatever.
orz
I hadn't even looked at the one-rung-down CPUs, at all. Yeah, a X5670 will do me nicely too.

The current server is a dual-CPU system on a QPI link (ie. it's a 20-bit bus at 5.7GT; ~1.7Gbps-114Gbps) between the CPU, so getting a octocore with SMT would also remove that bottleneck, but I kinda like the idea that an entire CPU, a third of the memory with RAIM, and up to 3 disks can fail and the system can still keep on chugging - and getting something equivalent is going to be difficult, because the used server market in Denmark is loving weird.
I can get Westmere with ECC and RAIM for the price of picking it up, whereas even Sandy Bridge (which can be upgraded to Ivy Bridge CPUs by just replacing the CPU if the motherboard has a new enough revision) will set you back half the price of a good desktop build and a four year old Broadwell costs the full price of a newest-generation i5-i7 workstation build.

D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at 22:46 on May 27, 2020

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


How do you OC a Xeon?

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Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


Shaocaholica posted:

How do you OC a Xeon?

Xeon E5 1650, 1660, and 1680 v1, v2, and v3, 1620 v1, and W-3175X, are multiplier-unlocked. As well as certain high-end W35xx, W36xx, and X56xx models are unlocked as well although that situation is kinda vague.

https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...ltiplier.15983/

You do need to use an X58/X79/X99 chipset, not a server/workstation chipset, of course, but there are certain boards (ASUS X99 WS) that support ECC including RDIMMs and LRDIMMs if the processor does. As well as chinese boards.

There is considerably more wiggle room in the "Xeon" branding than most people realize. In the Nehalem and Westmere days, Intel didn't really care if you overclocked one of the top one or two xeons - you were already paying top dollar for one of the most expensive processors they offered. And quietly, they kept overclocking support in the Xeon equivalents to the i7 HEDT processors (1620, 1650, 1660, and 1680) up through the Haswell days. As with many things, it's not really until Broadwell that they got greedy and clamped down, and then they brought it back on the W-3175X again (although that processor has other restrictions on total memory even though it has overclocking and RDIMM support).

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 28, 2020

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