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Ignoarints posted:Does anybody know if any Windows program I use to view cpu input voltage? I'm not sure my bios is applying the changes to that I'm making. I'm getting strangeness during overclocking and I just noticed that it saves my settings (say I put in 2.0v) but on the left it says what it used to be (1.8v). That's not unusual for any other setting until I restart then it updates that left figure. It never does so for the CPU input voltage (vrin) CPU-Z will show you chip voltage and also the clock multiplier. It will also update these as the clock rate changes due to the power-saving throttling features. The interface is super-intuitive to navigate. It's super light-weight and non-intrusive software too. It's a definite Here, I took a screenshot of CPU-Z for you so you can see what all information is given.  Hope this helps!
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Woodsy Owl posted:CPU-Z will show you chip voltage and also the clock multiplier. It will also update these as the clock rate changes due to the power-saving throttling features. The interface is super-intuitive to navigate. It's super light-weight and non-intrusive software too. It's a definite Thanks, I use CPU-Z though and unless I'm missing it I do not see cpu input voltage on there (just vcore). At any rate I'm actually fairly sure that setting is applying correctly, while I'd still like to verify it.
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Mar 2, 2014 21:56
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What's CPU-Z display for a Haswell with FIVR anyway?
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World's dullest CPU refresh. Basically changes nothing. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 13:17
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I notice there's no new -k chip.
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Mar 4, 2014 13:50
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HalloKitty posted:World's dullest CPU refresh. Well, I feel better about buying a haswell desktop and haswell laptop then! Feels good anyway. 
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Mar 4, 2014 15:53
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...It looks like the only difference is the slightly higher clock speed.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:38
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PerrineClostermann posted:...It looks like the only difference is the slightly higher clock speed. And price 
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Mar 4, 2014 17:23
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Well maybe they improved the tim :Idunno: or the glue spacing or whatever the culprit really is. Seems like a really obvious and simply fix that people have complained about since day 1
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Mar 4, 2014 17:26
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Ignoarints posted:Well maybe they improved the tim :Idunno: They don't need to improve the TIM or glue because the processors work perfectly well within spec only weird overclockers (like me) are complaining about it.
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Mar 4, 2014 18:20
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ShaneB posted:They don't need to improve the TIM or glue because the processors work perfectly well within spec only weird overclockers (like me) are complaining about it. Yeah I know. And overclocking represents a extremely small margin of sales I'm sure. But there is a disproportionate amount of negative press on it. Whether that has a real effect on sales, I dunno. It's just that fix is sooooooooo simple. Less glue! And you could say like "33.43% more thermal efficiency!!!!1! - Intel"
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Mar 4, 2014 18:32
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Ignoarints posted:Yeah I know. And overclocking represents a extremely small margin of sales I'm sure. But there is a disproportionate amount of negative press on it. Whether that has a real effect on sales, I dunno. It's just that fix is sooooooooo simple. Less glue! And you could say like "33.43% more thermal efficiency!!!!1! - Intel" I wouldn't be surprised if they were keeping that as a backup option, since they're so far ahead. If they run into issues or AMD starts threatening them (HAH!), they could just release higher-clocked models with soldered TIM and cover a year's worth of IPC improvements in speed.
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I'd honestly be okay with them charging another $100 for an i7 4790X, just as long as they didn't disable any ISA features (TSX) and the adhesive issue was fixed. But of course that will never happen when they can try to force people to spend another $500 on an obsolete platform instead. I don't want lots of cores I just want four fast Haswell cores 
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KillHour posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they were keeping that as a backup option, since they're so far ahead. If they run into issues or AMD starts threatening them (HAH!), they could just release higher-clocked models with soldered TIM and cover a year's worth of IPC improvements in speed. Oh man. Yeah. Oh well, at least I "fixed" mine. The temperature drop is unbelievable. Before, even at 4.0 GHz the temperatures were uncomfortable on the stock cooler. According to one dude who exhaustively tested it, the actual TIM itself isnt even all that important it's just getting the heat spreader closer to the chip. Which just means less glue. So all they'd have to do to respond to a hypothetical AMD attack is just reduce the glue and crank up the multiplier and viola, nearly free effective competition. And even if the TIM was changed that's going to be an very small cost. Come on AMD put on some pressure
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Mar 4, 2014 20:09
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Why is the i3 running on the HD4000 instead of the HD4400 in the refresh? 
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Mar 4, 2014 20:17
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Hog Butcher posted:Why is the i3 running on the HD4000 instead of the HD4400 in the refresh?
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Mar 4, 2014 20:31
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Are product refreshes an actual stepping? Or do they just bin a bunch of higher performing chips over a period of time and sell them off once they accumulate enough?
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Popete posted:Are product refreshes an actual stepping? Or do they just bin a bunch of higher performing chips over a period of time and sell them off once they accumulate enough?
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Mar 5, 2014 04:29
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I've been meaning to ask, what is TSX and is it useful enough in a typical home gaming PC to give up overclocking for?
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Mar 5, 2014 04:54
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The Lord Bude posted:I've been meaning to ask, what is TSX and is it useful enough in a typical home gaming PC to give up overclocking for? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_Synchronization_Extensions It helps with efficiency of multi-threading by making it easier to juggle writes without interfering with other threads.
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TSX is not a gaming feature. It's meant to improve the performance of heavily-threaded code, and that's not games.
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Mar 5, 2014 05:06
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Does this mean that there isn't likely to be any significant upgrades in CPU in a theoretical "Surface Pro 3"?
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Mar 5, 2014 08:07
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Ragingsheep posted:Does this mean that there isn't likely to be any significant upgrades in CPU in a theoretical "Surface Pro 3"?
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Alereon posted:There will be at least some 15W Broadwell CPUs launching in Q4 2014, per the latest roadmap. Broadwell is Intel's first 14nm CPU, die shrinks usually offer significant performance and power benefits. 14nm is about ~30 silicon atoms laid end to end 
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Mar 5, 2014 17:38
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canyoneer posted:14nm is about ~30 silicon atoms laid end to end I wonder how much engineering they had to do to deal with quantum effects at that level...
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PerrineClostermann posted:I wonder how much engineering they had to do to deal with quantum effects at that level... Oh, a little here and there. What you might call a "smidgen," a "tad," or a "skosh" depending upon your extraction.
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I know I'm a little late to the de-lidding conversation, but I can't get over how absurd it is that the first step for some people after buying one of the most technologically advanced components in the world is to go at it with a vice, hammer, and two-by-four. It's such a ridiculous juxtaposition. I've never been tempted by de-lidding since I don't overclock anymore, but if it's that easy, it's so tempting to try it.
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Chuu posted:I know I'm a little late to the de-lidding conversation, but I can't get over how absurd it is that the first step for some people after buying one of the most technologically advanced components in the world is to go at it with a vice, hammer, and two-by-four. It's such a ridiculous juxtaposition. It was ridiculous to me too
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On the upside, Haswell-E is looking to be introduced and launched sooner than expected (if true)quote:Intel Corp. has decided to speed up introduction of its next-generation microprocessors and platforms designed for enthusiasts who demand maximum performance. The new Core i7 Extreme “Haswell-E” chips along with Intel X99-based mainboards will be introduced at Computex Taipei 2014 in early June, several months before planned originally, according to sources with knowledge of Intel’s plans  I've been looking to build a Haswell-E audio/gaming rig this year and if this is true, then all the better. Now if only Nvidia could have their Maxwell GPUs out by then... VVV It is, but they're still 28nm like the rest of the 700 series and not 20nm. Midee fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Midee posted:I've been looking to build a Haswell-E audio/gaming rig this year and if this is true, then all the better. Now if only Nvidia could have their Maxwell GPUs out by then... Isn't the GTX 750 Maxwell? Are they introducing a flagship Maxwell chip sometime soon? I could have sworn reading Maxwell was low power usage / mobile focused.
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Note that Haswell-E requires DDR4 memory.
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People talking about "waiting for Maxwell" now are waiting for the 20nm process change. Which is scheduled for ~Q3, which -- with the way process changes are getting more and more difficult -- means early 2015, maybe.
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Alereon posted:Note that Haswell-E requires DDR4 memory. I'm not too interested in Haswell-E, but it might knock prices for current high end stuff around a bit. DDR4 is going to be a tougher sell, but even if people just see it as a premium option, the 'newer technology' aspect should put some price pressure on DDR3.
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EoRaptor posted:I'm not too interested in Haswell-E, but it might knock prices for current high end stuff around a bit. DDR4 is going to be a tougher sell, but even if people just see it as a premium option, the 'newer technology' aspect should put some price pressure on DDR3. I for one certainly won't be making the same early adopter mistake I made with DDR3 ram. There's nothing I regret more than blowing 2 grand on Ram.
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The Lord Bude posted:I for one certainly won't be making the same early adopter mistake I made with DDR3 ram. There's nothing I regret more than blowing 2 grand on Ram. :O
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The Lord Bude posted:I for one certainly won't be making the same early adopter mistake I made with DDR3 ram. There's nothing I regret more than blowing 2 grand on Ram. Okay, you have to tell us how much RAM you got for 2000 dollars.  (Also what the exchange rate was then, but given it was when DDR3 was still new this will be hilarious no matter what.)
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Okay, you have to tell us how much RAM you got for 2000 dollars. I got 8gb of ddr3 1600 ram. Drr3 ram was so new that I had to wait for the first ever shipment to enter the country. This was in early 2008. I also spent $700 on a stupid ROG motherboard with an nvidia chipset that could support both ddr3 ram and the Quad SLi 9800GX2's I also blew another 2 grand on. As I recall it was the only mobo on the market that could do both, and it died on me after 2 years. I was a young stupid Travis back then.
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The Lord Bude posted:I for one certainly won't be making the same early adopter mistake I made with DDR3 ram. There's nothing I regret more than blowing 2 grand on Ram. God drat, I thought $300 for 6 gigs of DDR3 to go with my i7-920 in November 2008 was bad, but jesus.
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Gwaihir posted:God drat, I thought $300 for 6 gigs of DDR3 to go with my i7-920 in November 2008 was bad, but jesus. I was really hoping for "well it was 32GB at least" but 8... I'm sorry Lord Bude.
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