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brainwrinkle posted:I really hope the recall isn't handled poorly. It would be a huge pain to go through a normal RMA process in March. I think I would almost rather deal with four dead SATA 3 Gbs ports than tear my computer apart and wait 10 days for a replacement. Yep, almost making me regret not just buying an i7 iMac, even if it would've been more money and less powerful. I'm not looking forward to  the inside of my case again.
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Feb 1, 2011 05:49
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DJ Commie posted:Dropping one frame every 3597 (2.5m*23.98f/sec)is not anywhere near 17%. Did you mean you drop a second every 2.5minutes? That isn't 17% either. It's every ~42 seconds.
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madprocess posted:Film wasn't 23.976 originally, that's a slowdown equal to the one NTSC color broadcasting does that was instituted in some cases to make 3:2 pulldown actually 3:2. Good point, my history on the origins of the Hollywood/"movie" framerate was a bit rusty. As for recall, I have this sinking feeling that some makers might do two tiers of service. Free = send your board back, get one back in 10-12 business days. Express = pay $$$ for advance RMA, suffer little to no downtime. Wish they'd just all decide to follow standard advanced RMA procedure and toss a hold on your credit card until they get the defective board back. Thankfully, I think Asus has a USA RMA center (Idaho, or is that Crucial I'm thinking of...), so shipping shouldn't be painful. I'm interested to know what they will do with the boards. Like I said earlier, it's a waste of MAC addresses (not a huge deal, but waste annoys me), but more importantly, there are still plenty of use cases for boards that have 4 dead SATA 3Gbps boards. End-users could use them (I mean, on the P8P67 Pro, you have 4 SATA ports available even if the 4 3Gbps ports die), a university could build a cheap rear end net-booting cluster out of them, etc. I'm sure they'll either be destroyed or "escape" the factory/return center in Asia realistically, though.  I'd pay $50-$75 for a board with the dead SATA 3Gbps ports. Granted, there's a chance other devices in the chipset could fail as well, but Intel seems confident that it's limited to SATA only.
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strategery posted:Well crap. I JUST built a psp67 i5 2500k setup this past week. I used newegg. Now Ill need to call I assume to figure out what to do. My stuff should still be under the Newegg Warranty, but since there is no resolution, Im not sure what they will do. I just built it this weekend, and 2 days later, bam, this. 
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Feb 1, 2011 07:56
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So given that 6Gbps ports are backwards compatible would it still be worth picking up an SB rig now and how likely is it to find some discount mobos before march? Assuming a gaming rig with 1TB spinpoint F3, SSD and an optical drive, not some insane home file server packed with 2TB drives.
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Feb 1, 2011 09:08
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Veinless posted:"The systems with the affected support chips have only been shipping since January 9th and the company believes that relatively few consumers are impacted by this issue." per http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/01/31/intel-identifies-chipset-design-error-implementing-solution According to Anandtech, every 6-series board shipped uses the affected B stepping. With the January 9th statement, Intel's trying to keep people from freaking out about the Dell they bought for Christmas. Verizian posted:So given that 6Gbps ports are backwards compatible would it still be worth picking up an SB rig now and how likely is it to find some discount mobos before march? I doubt you'll be able to find many LGA1155 boards until the revised chipsets are launched. It'll be a whole lot cleaner for motherboard manufacturers to recall everything now, and stick Intel with one big bill now. If they let bad boards float around in retail channels, quite a few will come back into their RMA departments, and it costs money to handle RMAs. They'll look to rip the band-aid off now.
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Well I've got a asus p8p67 deluxe with 10 hds (2 of them in a controller card) and some drives make weird clicks (really noisy) when I boot the computer. Also a HD diagnostic program lists them as having a long spin up time (and the bios smart thinggie says something is wrong). The disks themselves are alright, I don't know what the problem might be :|
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Feb 1, 2011 12:07
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A leaky transistor isn't going to make your drives spin slowly or make them click. Sounds like your power supply is either too weak or you have bad drives.
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Great. My intel iMac's HD dies for the second damned time so I decide to go back to PCs where I can fix em myself cheaply if a part goes. I do some research about what to buy and go with a P67 2500K 3.3ghz system. What happens a week after ordering? THIS. Meaning I might not get my system till at least mid April. Meaning 2 and a half months using this now ancient 1.8ghz G5 iMac and no hot system to get back into the PC Gaming thing. Dammit. On the upside at least Intel is working hard to deal with the problem quickly.
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LastCaress posted:Well I've got a asus p8p67 deluxe with 10 hds (2 of them in a controller card) and some drives make weird clicks (really noisy) when I boot the computer. Also a HD diagnostic program lists them as having a long spin up time (and the bios smart thinggie says something is wrong). The disks themselves are alright, I don't know what the problem might be :|
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Yeah I thought about something to do with power, not really the SB problem. The weird thing is I had an old LC 550w lovely PSU that never had a problem with all the drives and a HD 2900XT+quadcore. In my new setup I have a Corsair TX 650w and a i5 2500k+hd5770 (which are supposed to be less power hungry, right?). Well maybe 10 hds really is too much.... I thought the hds were fine because when they do work there's nothing wrong with them, fast access, no corruption, etc... I will see if there's an option for staggered spinup somewhere. While Corsair TX650w probably isn't the best psu out there, it's not that bad, is it? EDIT : Is there any difference if I use different power cables that come from the psu? I have 3 "main" cables (don't really know how to describe this), two for sata devices and one for IDE, can I put an adapter on the IDE cable and connect the sata drives, or does that make no difference. EDIT2 : My old pc "only" had 8 hds but had 2 dvd writers. LastCaress fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Feb 1, 2011 |
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I kinda wonder how many people will actually be affected by this? No one with one DVD player and one HD (aka 95% of users?) will ever know the problem exists will they?
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Feb 1, 2011 15:14
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If I'm reading the Anandtech article correctly its not the number of SATA devices its the ports that matter. You can only use 2 devices and still get effected unfortunately.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:If I'm reading the Anandtech article correctly its not the number of SATA devices its the ports that matter. You can only use 2 devices and still get effected unfortunately. Right, but what I'm saying is if you were only using two, you'd be using both of the 6 GB/s ports (which if I'm not mistaken are unaffected - it's only the 3 GB/s ports that are).
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Kashwashwa posted:Right, but what I'm saying is if you were only using two, you'd be using both of the 6 GB/s ports (which if I'm not mistaken are unaffected - it's only the 3 GB/s ports that are). I thought the problem was a processor issue, not a motherboard issue, right?
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strategery posted:I thought the problem was a processor issue, not a motherboard issue, right?
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Yeah, from what I gather, if you ONLY use the 6.0gps ports (there should be four of them at least) then you will never have to deal with any problems. So really, there should be no problem at all waiting for April, when you should just replace the MB out of principle. If I am incorrect please correct me. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Feb 1, 2011 |
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I have P8P67PRO which has 2x Intel 6gbit and 2x Marvell 6gbit but i use 6 SATA2 drives. I can use the 2x ESATA in the back to plug in the rest of drives if i buy ESATA to SATA cables right?
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Just checked. My data disks are both on the Marvell controller. The most IO happens on there, so they're out of harm's way. But I can't identify what the system disks are hooked up to, the device manager makes it impossible to discern, since both 3 and 6 Gbps ports are on the same controller.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Nope. So I need to contact newegg about replacing my motherboard AND CPU, yes? (As I have a p8p67 pro and i2500k).
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What's annoying is I just had to buy a new mobo because my Gigabyte was a dud (and to be honest the difference in quality between it and my new Asus is a huge), so I'll have to put everything together for a third time next month or so when they actually start the RMA process. At least this time I won't have to do a clean install, but it really sucks this happened.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Just checked. My data disks are both on the Marvell controller. The most IO happens on there, so they're out of harm's way. But I can't identify what the system disks are hooked up to, the device manager makes it impossible to discern, since both 3 and 6 Gbps ports are on the same controller. On the disk properties, Details -> Location Information. 0 and 1 are 6 Gbps ports, 2-5 are the affected ports. Or you could, y'know, look. strategery posted:So I need to contact newegg about replacing my motherboard AND CPU, yes? (As I have a p8p67 pro and i2500k). The problem is about the motherboard's SATA controller. The CPU is not affected at all. Therefore, you only have to contact Newegg about replacing the motherboard. You do not need to replace the CPU.
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strategery posted:So I need to contact newegg about replacing my motherboard AND CPU, yes? (As I have a p8p67 pro and i2500k). The cpu's fine, you can put the cpu you have in a new motherboard (when they come out)
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Factory Factory posted:Or you could, y'know, look. 
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Did you pick a case where the power switch was hardwired to the screws? 
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No, but it's tucked away neatly, and I don't want to move it around too much while the drives are spinning. I'm pretty paranoid about that. But yeah, according to the location info, all drives are on 6 Gbps ports. I'll still need a new board at some point, for the next set of disks.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Just checked. My data disks are both on the Marvell controller. The most IO happens on there, so they're out of harm's way. But I can't identify what the system disks are hooked up to, the device manager makes it impossible to discern, since both 3 and 6 Gbps ports are on the same controller. If you have the Intel RST installed, it should tell you what port each disk is connected to.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah, from what I gather, if you ONLY use the 6.0gps ports (there should be four of them at least) then you will never have to deal with any problems. So really, there should be no problem at all waiting for April, when you should just replace the MB out of principle.
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Man, I was expecting to upgrade to a 2500k system in the next week or two. Is it possible to bypass the problem entirely if I bought a current MB and just use the good two SATA ports, and buy a separate SATA card for the other drives? If that works I might just continue with my plans and get the system anyway.
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Yes, or you could just use the ports which won't start deteriorating for a while and do a mainboard swap when that's made available?
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If you can find a retailer still selling one of the current boards, sure, you could do that. Good luck, though - I was hoping to do the same thing but can't find anyone still stocking them.
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NCIXUS.Com has them still.
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So now that Sandy Bridge is getting a recall is there any danger overclocking past the 1.35 volts that intel claims the motherboard is rated safe at? Isn't the only real danger of lessening the lifespan of the board, or is it possible to damage the processor as well? I'm running stable 4.5 at 1.3 volts and my temps are around 60 degrees at load, so I still have some leeway temperature wise.
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It affects the processor primarily, so nooooope, no guilt-free 1.6V overclocks for us.
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So can this damage the hard disk itself? Should I open my computer up right now and switch it to an unaffected 6 Gps port, or can I just wait a while, until either there's a recall or I start seeing weird stuff?
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zachol posted:So can this damage the hard disk itself? Switch ports when you turn on your computer one day and find a drive or two missing. You will likely get a fixed board before that happens.
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