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Kat is a Girl of Science. She will absolutely not accept "Coyote Did It" as an explaination.
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HPK posted:Oh man, I hadn't reconsidered, "What if one or both of these Annies is actually Coyote?" Thus, Loup is also Annie and all the people who make out that this is all Annie's fault are completely correct.
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May 15, 2020 08:38
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Just think about parallels with Phantom Pain, too. Tom played us like a drat fiddle! edit: I'll admit that for my theory to be true, both Annies and probably also the translator ghost have to be either Coyote or Loup, and we still wouldn't know when or how the switcheroo happened. HPK fucked around with this message at 08:42 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 08:38
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aww, kat's having her entire worldview shattered
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May 15, 2020 09:15
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I know it's been said but the many worlds interpretation is not new Kat!
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May 15, 2020 09:29
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Splicer posted:I know it's been said but the many worlds interpretation is not new Kat! but traversal between those worlds is!
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May 15, 2020 09:29
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In a perverse way it's probably a bit less guilt-inducing for the Annies to know that Kat's problem with them is intellectual frustration rather than feeling that she has a moral obligation to spend her efforts on helping them.
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May 15, 2020 10:17
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Splicer posted:I know it's been said but the many worlds interpretation is not new Kat! The many worlds interpretation doesn't create magical new dimensions with district objects, though, it just posits that objects's probability wave don't collapse.
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May 15, 2020 12:12
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Kat has never met Coyote, right? I guess she might have seen, him when he pushed over that building, to get Annie back into the forest.
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May 15, 2020 13:47
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Kat: I reject your reality and replace it with my own!
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May 15, 2020 14:35
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Rejecting empirical evidence in favor of established theory rather than revising theory to accommodate new evidence is a bad look for a scientist, mad or otherwise. It makes you look like an economist.
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May 15, 2020 14:46
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Yeah. Kat is trying to deny what's in front of her instead of understanding it. More of a faith based outlook than science.
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May 15, 2020 14:55
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Iceclaw posted:Yeah. Kat is trying to deny what's in front of her instead of understanding it. More of a faith based outlook than science. Sounds very Goddess-like.
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May 15, 2020 15:32
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A big flaming stink posted:but traversal between those worlds is! MikeJF posted:The many worlds interpretation doesn't create magical new dimensions with district objects, though, it just posits that objects's probability wave don't collapse.
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May 15, 2020 15:50
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I'm siding with Kat on this. Someone's cheating or pulling a fast one.
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May 15, 2020 16:19
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She's right imo, interfering with multiple dimensions is far beyond any other magic we've seen in the comic before. Let alone there even being multiple dimensions in the first place conceptually which is a doozy in itself. Maybe Loup's capable of cross-dimensional dickery and maybe he's not, but the implications are huge and none of the characters have really talked about it yet. Go Kat go!
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May 15, 2020 16:27
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I take it this is a bad time to bring up Zimmy's "super-science and etheric magic and everything else are all equally valid" speech?
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May 15, 2020 16:33
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Splicer posted:I misread Kat's phrasing, I remembered it as "what are these "parallel universes" that you speak of", but the actual text is more "you can't throw someone into an orbit" There's a big loving asterisk with a footnote that says "to the best of my knowledge" attached to that statement. Admittedly, the problem seems to be she can't figure it out and a charitable reading is that she's frustrated and venting so she's not being careful about saying to proper "should be" and "seems" qualifiers.
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May 15, 2020 16:34
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Well to be fair, I feel like she's more trying to say the explanation can't be that simple than saying it literally can't be explained. She's just upset right now is all. Other magical or physics-busting stuff that's happened has generally been given context. It usually doesn't "make sense", but it makes sense within the comic's world and we get a sense of 'why' something's possible without needing to be given the 'how' to go along with it. Back when the gang was dealing with the ROTD and seeing off Mort, Kat was able to navigate the magical world easier than Annie by interpreting it in a very literal way. She didn't buy into what was happening to Annie and Mort until she saw it for herself, which put what she was experiencing into context. With this though, there is no context, and I think that's what Kat's looking for more than anything. edit: But she probably also does want to know the physics and metaphysics behind parallel universes existing because I mean come on you can get all the stars in Mario 64 without pressing the jump button that's rad as hell CJacobs fucked around with this message at 17:05 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 16:55
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FronzelNeekburm posted:I take it this is a bad time to bring up Zimmy's "super-science and etheric magic and everything else are all equally valid" speech?
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May 15, 2020 17:34
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Kat. Not buying it.
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May 15, 2020 17:49
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CJacobs posted:I mean come on you can get all the stars in Mario 64 without pressing the jump button that's rad as hell what
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May 15, 2020 18:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A&t=623s (10:23)
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May 15, 2020 18:57
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Well, not zero jump-button presses; I think they've gotten it down to like 18 or something. This video went viral a couple years ago and will explain the reference to parallel universes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A and its creator is still working hard on reducing the number of A presses; check out his channel for more extremely nerdy-rear end info.
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May 15, 2020 19:00
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it'll turn out it's actually just one annie unconsciously running back and forth really fast
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May 15, 2020 19:04
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quoting myself from 3 months agodragon enthusiast posted:If I'm understanding Zimmy's viewpoint. imo the viewpoint that the double annies are a "problem that needs to be solved" is pretty unhealthy but i also havent invented antigravity so what do i know
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May 15, 2020 19:48
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I mean, the alternate explanation is that either A) there's a parallel universe out their missing their Annie, or B) Loup can create perfect human consciousness ex nihilo at whim, so freaking out is probably a good move.
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May 15, 2020 23:10
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There is an uncountably infinite number of universes where every universe has stolen two of the other universes' Annies and has lost its own Annie. That's not the hard part. Kat can do that part. That's just mathematics.
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CJacobs posted:Well to be fair, I feel like she's more trying to say the explanation can't be that simple than saying it literally can't be explained. She's just upset right now is all. Other magical or physics-busting stuff that's happened has generally been given context. It usually doesn't "make sense", but it makes sense within the comic's world and we get a sense of 'why' something's possible without needing to be given the 'how' to go along with it. Back when the gang was dealing with the ROTD and seeing off Mort, Kat was able to navigate the magical world easier than Annie by interpreting it in a very literal way. She didn't buy into what was happening to Annie and Mort until she saw it for herself, which put what she was experiencing into context. With this though, there is no context, and I think that's what Kat's looking for more than anything. Except it was later revealed the ROTD really was just an ether-powered movieset to help some dead folks get their mental poo poo sorted out before they feel comfortable enough returning to the ether entirely. Kat was able to look past the CGI and editing and see the ROTD as it really was. Also, in this case Kat is telling her best friends, to their faces, they cannot possibly exist. Which is, uh, insensitive, to put it very mildly. EDIT: Which I suppose isn't quite as bad as the implication in hindsight that Paz wants the Annies to stop existing so her girlfriend stops having anxiety. Kerning Chameleon fucked around with this message at 00:08 on May 16, 2020 |
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May 16, 2020 00:02
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Kat's gonna start rambling about plot holes in Avengers: Endgame.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:EDIT: Which I suppose isn't quite as bad as the implication in hindsight that Paz wants the Annies to stop existing so her girlfriend stops having anxiety. Yes, but that doesn't matter so much because even Annies that can't possibly exist can still snap Paz like a twig. Sorry Paz. At least you're not boxbot.
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maswastaken posted:There is an uncountably infinite number of universes where every universe has stolen two of the other universes' Annies and has lost its own Annie. I thought the Grand Hotel required countable infinities?
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Warmachine posted:I thought the Grand Hotel required countable infinities? The Grand Hotel works fine in uncountable infinities. This thing is not quite the same as the grand hotel, since you actually want to map two different points onto the same one, while still making the mapping reversible. If you have countable infinitives, Loup from universe n (Loup_n) stole the two Annies from universes 2n and 2n+1. This works if n is a natural number. L_1 steals A_2 and A_3, L_2 steals A_4 and A_5... Basically, the tail of Annieless universes grows twice as fast as the ones with a fresh set of two. For real numbers in uncountable universes, this exact argument breaks apart. If you set n=1 , L_1 would like to steal A_2 and A_3. But L_(0.5) already took A_2. I am not sure if you can construct a way to avoid that. It doesn't feel possible. That's what's irritating Kat. She can't fathom the idea that the number of universes is just countable. This would imply that every quantum collapse has to have a countable set of outcomes. I.e. throwing a coin is alright and splits the universe into two parallel universes. But if you construct a random number generator which can give out every possible real number between 0 and 1, the multiverse just breaks apart. And Kat really needed to built that for her new AI-algorithms. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 09:43 on May 16, 2020 |
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I mean, the alternate explanation is that either A) there's a parallel universe out their missing their Annie, or B) Loup can create perfect human consciousness ex nihilo at whim, so freaking out is probably a good move. Loup/Coyote wouldn't need to start from scratch to become some Annies. He could have stolen some of her memories anytime she visited the forest, just like he was doing to Ysengrin.
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May 16, 2020 19:57
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieiFklY7eS0
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May 16, 2020 20:07
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Thank you Tom and Magnolia for confirming that Annie could in fact kill all her friends very easily 
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May 17, 2020 00:15
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CJacobs posted:Thank you Tom and Magnolia for confirming that Annie could in fact kill all her friends very easily GC Tier list (work in progress): Annie (w/ Lasers) Annie (no lasers) Paz Kat
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May 17, 2020 03:12
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Thinking about other characters and what they're capable of, I'm wondering what Jack and Jenny have been doing since all the poo poo with Loup went down. Don't think we've seen Jack at all since The Torn Sea?
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May 17, 2020 05:56
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Jack bought a terrarium for reasons he refuses to discuss
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cant cook creole bream posted:The Grand Hotel works fine in uncountable infinities. seems like the prime powers method works well here: quote:Prime powers method
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